Domain Development

[Daniel Yankee]

Anyone’s got visitorday com account?
I've noticed a lot of domainers using them..

Anyone has any info about them? Like does it really help with SEO, payment options, etc.. Also, do they pay well?

[lotk.com]

I've never heard of them but am also interested in hearing others experiences.

[radioz]

Another interesting site that I recently ran across is Noomle.com. They allow the free (donation basis) construction of mini-sites. They support many languages too. It does seem to take some work but it is potentially an interesting program. I started working on one site but didn't finish it yet. There is some additional info at NamePros.com as well.

I just ran across another option http://www.devhub.com/. You seem to build mini-sites and park them with Dev Hub. There seem to be some interesting options growing as traditional parking fails.

[Daniel Yankee]

Another interesting site that I recently ran across is Noomle.com. They allow the free (donation basis) construction of mini-sites. They support many languages too. It does seem to take some work but it is potentially an interesting program. I started working on one site but didn't finish it yet. There is some additional info at NamePros.com as well.

I just ran across another option http://www.devhub.com/. You seem to build mini-sites and park them with Dev Hub. There seem to be some interesting options growing as traditional parking fails.

Today I'm going to become a member at all 3 and see if it's really an alternative to parking. I suggest some of you guys do the same and then we share our thoughts and experiences.

[radioz]

Here is one more. I got an email about this right after my last post. This one is a Shopping.com affiliate system that is free. They set up consumer comparison sites for you. Probably very good for domains about a specific type of product. Here is the link for this one:

http://www.smartname.com/smartname/

[loudbeats.com]

I develop custom minisites instead of parking pages..

[Daniel Yankee]

OK, I’m ready to share some of my experience with Noomle.com, VisitorDay.com and DevHub.com as promised.

Noomle:

Pros:

1. Very helpful community.

2. A lot of clean, easy to set up templates.

2. You get roughly 100% of revenue share (there are some Noomle ads on the site).

3. CTR is quite nice ~ 18%

4. Have ability to link in several PPC or Aff programs of your choice

5. Visibility of my domains has improved, not too dramatically though. Probably need more time.

Cons:

1. You have to provide your own AdSense account, so if you want to track performance for each domain - you have to set up separate ‘channel’ for each domain in Google AdSense. This is a NIGHTMARE process, not to mention that you’re only allowed to set up to 200 channels.

2. It’s hard to develop and manage large number of domains (I‘d say over 30) b/c every set up, change, or article addition that you want to perform across several domains, you have to repeat the same process for each of these domains. So if you want to insert same articles in 20 of your domains, you have to repeat the process 20 times.

Conclusion: A nice and profitable way to develop 10 - 20 domains. If want to develop more - it starts to take too much of your time and ends up to be a frustrating experience. (example: e-bizsolutions.com)

DevHub:

Pros:

1. Good FAQ page and tutorials that help you through the process

2. Very nice drag and drop features for site creation

3. A lot of built-in Affiliate Marketing options and other useful gadgets

Cons:

1. You can only develop your domains in batches of 10, and every developed domain has to pass ’quality control’. It’s not Ford you know…, I just want to develop my domains and I don’t need to have a supervisor breathing down my neck.

2. You still have the same issue as with Noomle when it comes to PPC ads b/c they don’t utilize revenue sharing model as all parking companies do, so you’ll have to use your own Google AdSense account.

3. CTR and RPM are much lower then of Noomle, maybe it has to do with a little ‘square’ site designs or maybe b/c they display their own ads 40% of the times the site is visited.

Conclusion: I guess it might work if you have highly converting domains that could do well from Aff marketing stand point. But then again, if you have such domains - it makes better sense to develop them yourself. As for DevHub’s ability to support development of the large portfolio - I don’t see myself doing it b/c of very time consuming maintenance of each individual domain.


VisitorDay:

Pros:

1. The main benefit in my opinion - they provide the same revenue share model as parking companies do, so no need to go through all this mess with Google.

2. Also, it’s easy to set up and develop multiple domains in the same time. So for example you can add an article to 20 domains in the same time without the need to do it for each domain individually as in Noomle and DevHub.

3. CTR is reasonably good too ~ 22%

Cons:

1. You can see that they’re in alpha mode - no FAQ and little of supporting documentation.

2. Not too many templates, but those they have look quite nice.

3. They say they offer Aff marketing capability, but I don’t see it available anywhere.

4. Not too responsive, sent a request for becoming their affiliate - no response so far.

Conclusion: In my opinion, for those who’re looking to develop hundreds of domains - VisitorDay is the right choice. After doing initial evaluation, I transferred over 300 of my domains in the beginning of this week and by now they are all fairly optimized and starting to bring more traffic. I wanted to wait till the month’s end to compare the revenues between VititorDay and sedo (I park most of my domains there), but so far it performs better than sedo. (example: bio-ethics.com)

Anybody else did evaluation of these sites?

[stock_post]

Both site you listed are not as good as I want them to look.
-- thanks for your review and case study.

Lot of people will appreciate your hard work..

[radioz]

Both site you listed are not as good as I want them to look.

There is little question that these are all heavily compromised 'domainer' sites. Real sites are better by far but require a lot more work.

Lot of people will appreciate your hard work.

SECONDED!! Good post by Daniel Yankee!!

[lotk.com]

Thanks for the info Daniel Yankee! Does visitorday's sites go down a lot? None of the sites with visitorday are working for me.

[Daniel Yankee]

Well, as far as i can tell none of my sites was down. I have no way of knowing for sure, but every time I would do optimization they were up. When you say 'not working' you mean your revenue's low or that your sites are actually 'unavailable'? If first, you might want to do some keyword optimization (where it says Meta Keywords), if second - you need to get in touch with their tech support.

[lotk.com]

Not working meaning bio-ethics.com does not show a site.

[Honan]

Thanks Daniel for providing the 3 reviews
Does anyone know who Visitorday.com are?
They provide no relevant information in their About page
How do you know they will pay anyone?
ww.iproc.net seems to be the same site

[south]

Yes, thank you for sharing your research Daniel!

[Daniel Yankee]

Thanks guys Hope this thread will be of help to those of us who’re looking to develop their domains.

Lotk.com:

“Not working meaning bio-ethics.com does not show a site.”

Well, the site works for me and judging by others’ comments, bio-ethics.com works fine for them too. The only thing I can think of is that the problem has to do with your computer or with your geographic location. Either way, I encourage you to get a hold of visitorday tech support, b/c I don’t like the idea that some potential visitors cannot access my websites.

I Sold Grandma:

First of all – nice nick! LOL
I hope you’ve made enough to get yourself a couple of good domains

“Does anyone know who Visitorday.com are?
They provide no relevant information in their About page
How do you know they will pay anyone?
ww.iproc.net seems to be the same site”

Good point. I haven’t received a payment yet, so I can’t really comment on it. It’s been just a few weeks though, so when I do get paid (OR DON’T) – I’ll be sure to update the thread.

There is another interesting new development that I’d like to share though:

Within the past week I’ve received 3 offers on domains I’ve transferred to visitorday. One I already sold. If any of you guys are interested in other two (shopcode.com and NutriHealth.com) – let me know as I’m about to close them too.

It very well might be coincidental, but regardless, I’d like to make some comments on the whole concept of domain development:

1. It DOES bring more traffic. I see it across all three providers, especially VisitorDay and Noomle. So that extra exposure might be one of those factors that makes the difference.

2. The buyers contact you directly through contact form, unlike when you park with sedo and all offers are anonymous. This gives you ability to heighten asking price a little b/c you can always come back to the negotiation table. In sedo's case if buyer refused an offer – you cannot restart negotiations. I think same is true for some other parking providers as well.

3. Buyers, who are in my case all end users, think it’s a REAL site or at least SOMETHING evidently I put my efforts into. So as the result, I’m getting better initial offers than I would get for a parked site. Or at least that’s how I feel.

4. Disadvantage with all three providers though is that none of them provides an escrow service. So I still have to go through Sedo and pay them 10% escrow fee…


Well, that’s all for now. If anyone’s interested in the above names – please let me know asap.

[radioz]

shopcode.com

This domain is at sedo - FYI.

[Daniel Yankee]

I moved it back there b/c I'm going to use sedo's escrow service after me and the buyer agree on the price.
Read my prev. post

[Daniel Yankee]

Thanks Daniel for providing the 3 reviews
Does anyone know who Visitorday.com are?
They provide no relevant information in their About page
How do you know they will pay anyone?
ww.iproc.net seems to be the same site

To I Sold Grandma and whoever's interested: Received a payment last night from Visitorday through PayPal. Overall total is slightly higher (about 10%) than when I parked at sedo.

This domain is at sedo - FYI.

shopcode.com is sold