Crawlers don't follow frames?

[randomo]

Hey,

I have to ask a question that reveals my utter ignorance of SEO.

I looked in DomainTools to see the "SEO score" for a domain where I'd built a small site. The SEO score came up as 0%. I tried to view the "Seo Text Browser", but no page appeared. When I clicked on it, a small notice appeared above it:

"Page contains frames: Crawlers often don't follow frames, so never use them."

I built this site using XSite Pro, which I guess uses frames. Does that mean all the sites I make with XSite Pro will not be noticed by crawlers and will have bad SEO scores?

Thanks,
Dave

[draggar]

From when I used to use frames crawlers only saw the index page and the frame references, not what's in the frames. You might be lucky and have them pull up a page (in a frame) but it won't view other frames on that page as part of it.

Stick with CSS and PHP. I love the require() command in PHP as well as CSS - it gives you the flexibility and look of frames but far better SEO.

[randomo]

Originally Posted by draggar

Stick with CSS and PHP. I love the require() command in PHP as well as CSS - it gives you the flexibility and look of frames but far better SEO.

Thanks for your advice. I will try to translate it into some language I understand. (I'm not an HTML expert, don't know anything about stuff like PHP, which is why I've been relying on XSite Pro.)

[2gajgops]

I use Xsite and all my domains show an SEO score in domain tools. Are you using a framed redirect page to access the site? For example, hosting it on a free site at yourname.webhost.com and using the registrar to forward yourname.com to the host? Because, that method actually creates a framed page.

[randomo]

Originally Posted by 2gajgops

I use Xsite and all my domains show an SEO score in domain tools. Are you using a framed redirect page to access the site? For example, hosting it on a free site at yourname.webhost.com and using the registrar to forward yourname.com to the host? Because, that method actually creates a framed page.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing! What should I do instead?

[draggar]

CSS stands for Cascade Style Sheets - it allows you to have the look of frames but spiders see it as one big page - not different ones.

Most pre-made web sites (VBulliten, Wordpress, phpBB) use CSS to a point. This forum you'll see the headsers (DNForum logo, "Home Forum" menu bar, navigation links, then the control panel links), the "content" (this thread) and then the footers (previous / next thread links, active users, posting rules, and the bottom). Chances are all of these are separate pages but pulled together as one page by the programs.

The Visual Quickstart Guide series is a good way to start with basic web development. Here's a very good one to start with:
http://www.amazon.com/XHTML-Sixth-Vi...7690532&sr=8-2

It's basic (HTML, XHTML, and CSS) and then go onto the PHP and MySQL book.

[2gajgops]

you need a real hosting account where you can host your names at your domain name without forwarding.
There are lots of cheap hosting plans out there for unlimited numbers of domains.

BlueHost.com (pm if you want an affiliate link)
and
Hostgator.com

are a couple, but there are many out there. Search this forum and you can find other hosting reviews I'm sure.

[biggedon]

Originally Posted by 2gajgops

I use Xsite and all my domains show an SEO score in domain tools. Are you using a framed redirect page to access the site? For example, hosting it on a free site at yourname.webhost.com and using the registrar to forward yourname.com to the host? Because, that method actually creates a framed page.

Originally Posted by randomo

Yes, that's exactly what I'm doing! What should I do instead?

hi

i do the same for the few mini's i have

i always use "frame forwarding" to forward/redirect the .ext domain to the page with actual code.



never had a problem with Se's

recently did one and it went to 1st page in google


a few months later, with no new updates and it still ranks 11-20 out of 300k

all my pages are plain html and some css, written in notepad

[randomo]

Originally Posted by 2gajgops

you need a real hosting account where you can host your names at your domain name without forwarding.
There are lots of cheap hosting plans out there for unlimited numbers of domains.

BlueHost.com (pm if you want an affiliate link)
and
Hostgator.com

are a couple, but there are many out there. Search this forum and you can find other hosting reviews I'm sure.

Thanks for the info. I have what I thought was a "real hosting account", with a UK firm called Heart Internet, but I don't know if I can host multiple domain names there without forwarding. (The instructions in the first email I got from the hosting company said, "The first thing you need to do is choose a domain name to use with this account." Doesn't sound like I can host multiple domains there. But I'll try to check and see if that's true.)

[2gajgops]

As Biggedon mentioned, what Domain Tools shows as an SEO score may not be an indicator of how well your optimization actually performs with a real search engine. I still gotta believe that being hosted rather than forwarded is better overall.

Added; With heart internet, you would need the reseller package for unlimited domains. Otherwise it doesn't look like you can have them.

[biggedon]

Originally Posted by 2gajgops

As Biggedon mentioned, what Domain Tools shows as an SEO score may not be an indicator of how well your optimization actually performs with a real search engine. I still gotta believe that being hosted rather than forwarded is better overall.

Added; With heart internet, you would need the reseller package for unlimited domains. Otherwise it doesn't look like you can have them.

the real value is where you website ranks in the SE, not a score given by a second or third party

if SE's only care about content, then whether the site is uniquely hosted or not shouldn't make a difference

imo...

[DNBA]

you can also do the include in php.

name your file index.php and include the following:

<html>
<body>
<? include ("filename.html"); ?>

and/or

<? include ("http://www.site.com/filename.html"); ?>
</html>
</body>

you can also add css to it as well

<html>
<link href="css/style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">
<body>
<div class="section1">
<? include ("filename.html"); ?>
</div>

and/or

<div class="section2">
<? include ("http://www.site.com/filename.html"); ?>
</div>

</html>
</body>

the <link href="css/style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css">
is a link to a file that you have to create. create a text file called style.css and save it in a folder called css

in the style.css add the following

.section1 {
}

.section2 {
}

in the { } area is where you will add your css code.

you can also check out this site. this is where i started learning how to do css.
http://www.tizag.com/cssT/index.php

or download an application for editing css.

have fun!

[randomo]

Originally Posted by DNBA

you can also do the include in php.

you can also add css to it as well

Wow! Thanks for the technical tips - I will see if I can work those things into my files.

[chimeara27]

thanks everyone for sharing it to us.

[trader]

Originally Posted by biggedon

hi
i always use "frame forwarding" to forward/redirect the .ext domain to the page with actual code.

From what I can tell not many domainers understand the value of doing that. In fact, there is an even lesser known benefit which took me years of studying to finally realize was applicable and is very valuable.