Get 10 Unique Clicks a DAY for a YEAR! You choose the links to click!

[dvestors]

Thread closed due to misunderstanding the original posting.

Mods please close thread.

Thank you.

[GT Web]

isn't this click fraud?

[dvestors]

Originally Posted by GT Web

isn't this click fraud?

No, because we are sending people who are actually interested in what they are clicking on: they may subscribe or purchase. These are people who want to see the advertisements. People are paying for their ads to attract buyers or subscribers, which is exactly who will be clicking. These are not wasted clicks.

[Leading Names]

Originally Posted by dvestors

Each day atleast 10 uniques will visit the domain(s) of your choice and visit/click the links you choose.

Sure does sound like click fraud.

If you tell someone to visit your domain and tell them to click on link you select that’s click fraud – however you try and wrap it up.

- Rob

[dvestors]

Originally Posted by Leading Names

If you tell someone to visit your domain and tell them to click on link you select that’s click fraud – however you try and wrap it up.

This is just like an affiliate link/banner placed on your website that you are linking to someone else to get paid, except without a banner, its direct. We are not here to fraud anyone. This process is perfectly legal. It's sending potential clients to advertisers for a purchase/subscription.

[Steen]

Are you talking about PPC or CPA clicks?

The first sounds like click fraud, the second; paid to surf.

[dvestors]

Originally Posted by Steen

Are you talking about PPC or CPA clicks?

The first sounds like click fraud, the second; paid to surf.

I think my initial post is being misinterpreted. The company I work for is a known record production company and we have done this with other firms. It could be compared to direct marketing and/or mystery shopping. If i felt like this was fradualent or unethical I wouldn't have posted.

Originally Posted by dvestors

I think my initial post is being misinterpreted. The company I work for is a known record production company and we have done this with other firms. It could be compared to direct marketing and/or mystery shopping. If i felt like this was fradualent or unethical I wouldn't have posted.

It's targeting your market..even the DNF has a web traffic program.

[deepstar]

Explain to me why this is not click fraud??? You are telling people what links to click on therefore it is click fraud. What you are doing is killing the PPC industry. You are driving costs down and when costs go down publishers make less. I am requesting this thread be closed, this is rediculous.

[dvestors]

Originally Posted by deepstar

Explain to me why this is not click fraud??? You are telling people what links to click on therefore it is click fraud. What you are doing is killing the PPC industry. You are driving costs down and when costs go down publishers make less. I am requesting this thread be closed, this is rediculous.

Publishers are not losing money, when the people who click are buying and subscribing to the services, which is why they publish in the first place.

Obviously the wording of the original post was not in-depth enough to explain what was being offered here. I work for a major corp, who has worked with others who do this exact marketing. It's sending customers directly to the product, they click and buy, no one loses a dime, if anything they make more money.

[deepstar]

Originally Posted by dvestors

Publishers are not losing money, when the people who click are buying and subscribing to the services, which is why they publish in the first place.

Obviously the wording of the original post was not in-depth enough to explain what was being offered here. I work for a major corp, who has worked with others who do this exact marketing. It's sending customers directly to the product, they click and buy, no one loses a dime, if anything they make more money.

No, it still does not make sense. If you tell visitor JOHN DOE to visit xyz.com and xyz.com has Link "A", Link "B", Link "C" and you actually tell JOHN DOE to click on Link "B" then it is click fraud.

If xyz.com has Mesothelioma Google Adsense ads and you tell JOHN DOE to click on the Link "B" which is Mesothilioma Attorneys then it is 100% click fraud.

[dvestors]

Originally Posted by deepstar

No, it still does not make sense. If you tell visitor JOHN DOE to visit xyz.com and xyz.com has Link "A", Link "B", Link "C" and you actually tell JOHN DOE to click on Link "B" then it is click fraud.

If xyz.com has Mesothelioma Google Adsense ads and you tell JOHN DOE to click on the Link "B" which is Mesothilioma Attorneys then it is 100% click fraud.

If JOHN DOE clicks on any link and it takes him to the site and he does nothing, it is click fraud..because it is a wasted click,with the sole purpose of making money off the click. If JOHN DOE clicks on any click and purchases or subscribes to whatever the site is offering it is not click fraud. If it was any link, any industry, click for nothing, that is fraud. These are visitors clicking with the intent to purchase or subscribe within the industry we mentioned. There are many large corporations currently active in this marketing technique. It makes money for both ends, and is legal. I did not start this thread to begin a fued. Had I worded the original post differently, I'm sure there would have been a different response. Thank you to those who pm-ed me interest.

[GT Web]

If you tell John to click on link Z and then he signs up with them, it's still click fraud because you are telling him to click it.

100% wrong and unethical, no matter which way you try and sugercote it

[dvestors]

Originally Posted by GT Web

If you tell John to click on link Z and then he signs up with them, it's still click fraud because you are telling him to click it.

100% wrong and unethical, no matter which way you try and sugercote it

umm? if you have a link to a bank company or auction site and someone clicks on it and they sign up, is that fraud? nope. this is basically the same thing..it's like an affiliate program/mysteryshopper. Mysteryshoppers go to whereever their client tells them (the exact place and link) and buys the product/service. Both sides make money, is this fraud too? Nope.

Originally Posted by dvestors

umm? if you have a link to a bank company or auction site and someone clicks on it and they sign up, is that fraud? nope. this is basically the same thing..it's like an affiliate program/mysteryshopper. Mysteryshoppers go to whereever their client tells them (the exact place and link) and buys the product/service. Both sides make money, is this fraud too? Nope.

Had I used the word "mystershopper" I think it would have been understood better, as this is really what it is. I apologize for the misunderstanding and lack of clarity in the original post.

[GT Web]

Originally Posted by dvestors

umm? if you have a link to a bank company or auction site and someone clicks on it and they sign up, is that fraud? nope. this is basically the same thing..it's like an affiliate program/mysteryshopper. Mysteryshoppers go to whereever their client tells them (the exact place and link) and buys the product/service. Both sides make money, is this fraud too? Nope.

But that's not what you were offering - as soon as the visitor is clicking a link which he would not normally be interested in and click on, it is click fraud. People like you are ruining our industry.

[dvestors]

Originally Posted by GT Web

But that's not what you were offering - as soon as the visitor is clicking a link which he would not normally be interested in and click on, it is click fraud. People like you are ruining our industry.

No, that's were you did not read clearly. It was posted that we were only accepting sites within the Entertainment industry, because we are a record production company. The people who would be clicking and buying are people within the entertainment industry who ARE interested in the sites and would be purchasing the services or subscriptions. There is absolutely no fraud involved.

[GT Web]

I will repeat this one more time:

When you tell someone to click on a link and they do, its click fraud. Period.

[dvestors]

Originally Posted by GT Web

I will repeat this one more time:

When you tell someone to click on a link and they do, its click fraud. Period.

ok. so when you see a banner that says "CLICK HERE" and people do that's fraud too.

Look, I'm not going to argue with a 16 yr old kid. I stated in previous posts that the inital post was NOT clear and was obviously misinterpreted to some. Had I mentioned the word "mystery shopper" which is what the people are doing, buying the products/services from the links relative to our industry. Our company would not promote or participate in fraud (we are a major record corp). Mystery Shopping is NOT fraud. Clicking on a link in order to get to the designated page with the intent to purchase is NOT fraud. Telling these people where to click to buy the services is NOT fraud. We could banter for hours. As I have stated in previous posts, I apologize for the lack of clarity. If this was fraud, 3 members of DNF would not be participating in this program either. End of discussion. Thread is closed.

[GT Web]

Originally Posted by dvestors

Look, I'm not going to argue with a 16 yr old kid.

You just did - although I'm 17 now

Ask other Publishers on this forum of your scheme (call it mystery shoppers, paid link-clicking or whatever you want) and I'm sure the vast majority will agree with me.

Maybe you should read the posts in the 1st page of this thread?

[Duncan]

I agree with GT,


This is major fraud.


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Because im having a tought time with adsense as it is -.-

[Duncan]

And if someone has a banner that says click here, isn't the money coming out of their pockets? :???: