allfordomains.com

[KLICKMARKET]

hi folks,

remember the age old problem with allfordomains.com......
you get 150 e-mails sent free to 150 potential buyers.

you then get 2 guys wanting to buy your top name only if they are appraised by greatdomains.com or allfordomains.com
so you fork out 75 bucks per domain ..and get no sale.!!

clever scam ..... but highly unethical, and probably very illegal too.

BEWARE:....... SAME FOLKS .. different sites.... now using....everydayincome.com as well ..(possibly softforces.com too)

You have been warned. dont part with your cash ... these guys are .ru robbers.

klickster

[HyperactiveFun]

You're right! I was suspicious, so I used their "free 150 trial" last night...then, this morning, got a response. You have GOT to read this - it's hilarious! These emails are weird, but real. I'm Steve, obviously:


From: Phillip Moore <phillipmoore@rock.com>
To: steve@beercommercial.com
Subject: re: Ad From AllForDomains.com
Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 17:56:07 +0300 (MSK)

Hi,

I'm AllForDomains.com's subcriber and I received your letter. I'm interested in Savefunds.com and SundayNFL.COM. I think it can be a good investment. After recent stock market crisis I'm looking for new ways to invest money in online business. I need domains that can bring a serious traffic. Unfortunately, I'm a newbie on the secondary domain market. I know the seller is always going to earn as much as possible but I need a fair price and I kindly ask you for an independent appraisal.

I trust the following appraisers: www.FastDomainSales.com , www.DomainMart.com or www.HollywoodDomains.com. They were recommended by my partner. He told me that many other companies often overpriced domains.I don't want to overpay and I'm afraid to proceed without an independent valuation. My final offer will depened on your appraisals.

I think I can offer you a fair price but I need a serious proof. You should send me the appraisals to my email address. Then we'll discuss the transfer.

Can we use www.escrow.com to secure a domain transfer?

Respectfully,

Phillip Moore

CEO

Lewis & Moore Online Music

http://www.rock.com


My reply:


Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 11:06:28 -0500
From: steve@beercommercial.com
To: Phillip Moore <phillipmoore@rock.com>
Subject: Re: Ad From AllForDomains.com

Mr. Moore -

I visited those appraiser websites, and they cost $75 each. With all due respect, I'm sorry, but I do not have the money to spend by just receiving an email from someone I do not know. I tried the free trial of AllForDomains.com email-send-out list last night
because I was interested, but wondered "How do I know people are even ON this list?". You're not the only cautious one out there, ya know.

For all I know, your email here was written by the guy who owns that site, and he also owns these other sites and this is a way to (scam?) to drum up business. I'm afraid that since this is a business deal we're discussing, I would like to speak with you on the phone before
proceeding. I'm sure you understand. Could you please give me a number where I can reach you to verify you're - well, that you actually exist? I assure you, I do not intend to waste your time.


He responded:


Date: 5 Jan 2003 20:24:22 -0000
From: "Phillip Moore" <phillipmoore@rock.com>
To: steve@beercommercial.com
X-Mailer: LoadMail SMTP 6.1.2.0322
Subject: RE:Re: Ad From AllForDomains.com
X-WebServer: webmail.rock.com
X-TrueSenderIP: 212.188.96.149

Dear Smart Guy,

Check HollywoodDomains and DomainMart

They are owned by diffrent companies.

You abused me and I can send an official complaint to your ISP

I did not expect that I would receive such offending messages after signing up with AllForDomains.com. I think I'll cancel my subscription. I don't want to waste my time.

You are a time waster that use free emailing services to abuse other people.
Forget my email address or I will complain and take you down.

Phillip Moore


My final response:


Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 18:23:51 -0500
From: steve@beercommercial.com
To: Phillip Moore <phillipmoore@rock.com>
Subject: Re: Ad From AllForDomains.com

HAHA! You're strange! Yeah, I noticed they were "owned by different people" - but gee, I guess you're right - it's impossible for

1) someone to provide false information when registering a domain name
2) no way that it's possible for two people to work together to promote a "business" (read: scam), no chance of that, that could never occur (duh)

You're really odd - I didn't "abuse" you you moron - YOU e-mailed ME and I responded.
This email list is such a fraud!


Either the guy is a nut, or just a real crook. (Or both)

People should keep away from those websites. AllForDomains is obviously scam. I feel bad for those who fall for it and spend hard earned money on this.

Damn bastards.

[dataware]

OK GUYS... Here is my story...

I had to report them to American Express for false identification. Watch your Credit Card...

These guys are a SCAM....

They have no support and there evaluation service and software is such a total JOKE...


Too bad 'cause they have the right concept and and a nice web sight.

I feel sorry for the people that actually use them..

P.S. They even threatned to sue me for BASHING them... I am just waiting for that... They take your credit card number and give you no service and a bag full of garbage.

There, now you have the story.

Lorenzo

P.S. BEWARE THEY OPERATE UNDER DIFFERENT NAMES !!!

[KLICKMARKET]

hi again guys,


FOR ANY OF YOU IN ANY DOUBT HOW SERIOUS THIS PROBLEM IS,

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS WORK OUT THAT....... ALL ROADS LEAD BACK TO A COMPANY NAMED "ELEVIEW"

most of these dodgy domains and scam sites are owned by Russian Porn Kings/Mafia.

YOU DONT BELEIVE ME ????

just type the word [B]ELEVIEW[/B into Your "google" browser.. and see what comes up ..... MAJOR STUFF.....!!

These are serious guys..... and not penny-ante scammers.....they make AL CAPONE look like tweety pie!

This is a job for A SERIOUS GANG-BUSTER !!! if you know one !!..... by the way ...where is George Bush these days ....

time for the "men in black" to pay em a visit .....(in russia...coz that is where they really are).... check the .ru content of their e-mail properties........!!!!!

klickster

[KLICKMARKET]

THE WORD AGAIN IS ELEVIEW


KLICKSTER

[RON2]

Dear Smart Guy,

Check HollywoodDomains and DomainMart

They are owned by diffrent companies.

You abused me and I can send an official complaint to your ISP

[/B]

The scam is that they DO own FastDomainSales.com which, convienently, is half the price of HollywoodDomains and DomainMart appraisals.

[KLICKMARKET]

Originally posted by Dotmonster
Klickmarket wrote:
".....they make AL CAPONE look like tweety pie!"


Klickmarket is going crazy. Please don't post your annoying messages. We are tired of you.

I also tried AllForDomains.com one month ago. I did not receive any messages after using their free trial.

I wrote about it and they answered that many sellers did not receive any responses because theu advertised bogus name. The real sales depend on quality of your domains.

They could not help me to sell my domains but their customer support was fast and polite.

If you cannot sell your domains don't spam this message board with your hysterical messages

I think this message board is for serious people only but not for hysterical postings.

.................................................. .................................................. ....
YEP...... LOOKS LIKE WE SNAGGED ANOTHER "DOTMONSTER"

NO-ONE and i mean no-one !! would complain about THAT posting except an agent from "ELEVIEW"

so its no surprise to find you defending FASTDOMAINSALES.COM. as it is ANOTHER branch of "ELEVIEW" also !!......SURPRISE SURPRISE !!! ...NOT !!

DO YOU PEOPLE REALLY THINK WE ARE AS WITLESS AS YOU ARE.....???... YOU LOT WANT TO BE LOCKED UP ....SOON !!

whois search on FASTDOMAINSALES.COM. BELOW
.................................................. .................................................. ....
Domain Name: FASTDOMAINSALES.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Nayandin, Oleg (VXO40) info@softforces.com
Eleview International Inc
7426 Alban Station Blvd., Suite B-208
Springfield, VA 22150
US
703-935-8265 123 123 1234

[namedropper]

Just a good rule to keep in mind:

In no real case does a buyer ever ask the seller to pay for an appraisal. It's ridiculous.

If the seller wants an opinion on the name, they'd pay for an appraisal themselves, and then not tell the seller what it was if it is higher than they want to pay.

No true buyer is even going to pay for an appraisal because they already know how much it's worth to them and don't care what some outrageously high (as all of the paid ones are) appraisal says.

Standard response to a scammer who asks for this: "If you are serious about buying the name but needing an appraisal first, send me the money for the appraisal, plus $5 extra for PayPal fees and the time to get this taken care of. These fees will be deducted from the final sale price when you buy the name."

--
Dan Norder - Savanna.com, FineGold.com, etc.
High profile and niche domain names for sale

[CrazyDomains]

Hi DotMonster, I want to believe you, but please be honest for your affiliation with Allfordomains/Softforces/Eleview or whatever.

You were promoting them before.
http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=13101
http://www.dnforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=13844

Now is your chance to show us the facts.

[all4cost]

THAT IS THE SAME EMAIL I RECEIVED FROM "PHILLIP MOORE" -
I DID RECEVE TWO OTHERS THOUGH - ONE GUY LOOKING FOR HIGH DOLLAR PORN NAMES - AND ANOTHER SO - CALLED HOUSE WIFE WHO SAID HER HUSBAND MAY BE INTERESTED IN A FEW OF MY NAMES ....... I HAVEN'T MESSED WITH DOMAIN NAMES FOR 3 OR 4 YEARS - BUT I KIND OF GUESSED THE APPRAISAL COMPANIES SUGGESTED WERE LINKED SOMEHOW .....


all4cost

[Sharpy]

All of these names are affiliated.

ELEVIEW INTERNATIONAL INC
EverydayIncome.com
AllForDomains.com
SoftForces.com
FastDomainSales.com
Andrew Gordon
Andrew Cohen
Vladimir Obraztsov
Dmitry Shamparov
Oleg Nayandin
Julie Troitskaya
Phillip Moore
Hagen Volker

[CrazyDomains]

DotMonster, are you still there? Bet you just like "buyers" from Allfordomains that disappeared after getting paid for the apprasials?

You changed DNForum ID already, huh? OK, I see.

[CrazyDomains]

Oh, the email header: X-TrueSenderIP: 212.188.96.149
from www.ripe.net see:

inetnum: 212.188.96.0 - 212.188.111.255
netname: MTU-DIALUP
descr: ZAO MTU-Intel
descr: bld. 2, 27-29 Smolenskaya-Sennaya Sq.
descr: 119121, Moscow
descr: Russia
country: RU

[dataware]

Guys and Gals, do yourselves all a favour and document a case and present to the authorities. Your right about the credit card "scam" that is all I can say for now.
Regards,
Lorenzo