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[Provider]

Your needling and provoking are immature and transparent. This is a serious thread. Please seek attention elsewhere. Thank you.

My reply is not serious becauase I disagree with you?

forums are for expressing opinions. Sorry Carlton, I am not going to sign it.

There are too much undeveloped domain names that we park. These parking pages are junk of the internet (this is a general opinion among vast majority of internet users). If the prices will be higher for domain name registrations people will think twise before registering domain names. There are many smart people that support price raise for domain names, and there are reasons for that. A correction on the market will affect many of us, but not nessasarily in a bad way. If you have a quality merchandise it won't affect you at all.

Again, if you have a concern about pricing renew your names now for 10 years and the problem will be solved.

[Acro]

Again, if you have a concern about pricing renew your names now for 10 years and the problem will be solved.

So your business plan is for 10 years? Because mine sure isn't.

And it's not about "price correction" - it's about tiered pricing. When you wake up one morning and your top domain's renewal fees for the next year will be 100 times the current amount, I am sure you will - in hindsight - wish you too were supportive of the community that made you money in the first place.

[beatz]

What Acroplex said.

Plus, there is an additional risk:

Say you have a website that somehow critisizes someone, a company, the government, a registrar - whatever.

What would you think if the registry tells you renewal fees will be 1 Mill next time ?

Tiered pricing would open up doors to manipulate free speech on the internet very easily.

[Provider]

All the registries are in the same business, and all of them understand that there is no way they can charge 100 times more fee unless they want to hurt their business. According to you Acroplex, I have no choice but have to be supportive of this thread.

re:wish you too were supportive of the community that made you money in the first place.

I don't understand you position. The same way you have to thank ICANN that allowed you to register domain names for such a low price.

The big picture is that the internet industry is not interested to have domain speculators holding domain names undeveloped. If you have your portfolio loaded with .info, .biz, and .org you will drop some domain names that you think not worth to keep. Somebody else will pick them up and will develop a useful resource.

I also think a business plan for 10 years is more than enough. Actually you can register domain names up to 100 years now.

[PRED]

What Acroplex said.

Plus, there is an additional risk:

Say you have a website that somehow critisizes someone, a company, the government, a registrar - whatever.

What would you think if the registry tells you renewal fees will be 1 Mill next time ?

Tiered pricing would open up doors to manipulate free speech on the internet very easily.

That is so true! Should we be so surprised how corrupt our governments & large organizations are?
With the sh*t going down on a daily basis everywhere in the world, it would be no surprise if we get f*cked over. I have signed the petition anyway.
My prediction is it's a carefully thought out plan by icann.
They put the cat amongst the pigeons & everyone fears the worst. They say there is a stay of execution (pretending to give in to us) for couple of years. They know the registrars will self-police , like all companies, keeping a natural competition & price structure. They look just to go up to 50 cents or $1 say. Quadrupling their profits. We breathe a sigh of relief & swallow it. They will make little increments over the years. They get more money & more power. Then the trouble really begins.. No doubt icann start making donations to the whitehouse political campaigns. (if not already).
It was always going to happen. Not being defeatist. We can only fight it & hope for some concessions & damage limitation.
The process above is how the British Government handles nurses, fireman etc if it's in a good mood.
Predator

[JuniperPark]

I also think a business plan for 10 years is more than enough. Actually you can register domain names up to 100 years now.

I call Bull$$$$ on anyone claimng a '10 year plan' on the internet!

Are you now doing what you planned 10 years ago? Did you predict the effect of new TLDs, MySpace, Google, broadband and even DNForum 10 years ago?

If you did, you're smarter than just about anyone on earth. If not, you just shot you own argument in the foot.

[Acro]

I also think a business plan for 10 years is more than enough. Actually you can register domain names up to 100 years now.

Sorry to burst your bubble. Network Solutions that introduced this gimmick actually registers the domains in 10-year intervals, at the price dictated by the Registry at the end of each 10-year cycle. So to say that you can lock in the price for 100 years is simply inaccurate.

And let's get serious: 10 years for a business? You might as well tell us you retire soon.

[Provider]

I totally agree with JuniperPark. You didn't have any 10 year plan in the domain name industry.

re: Sorry to burst your bubble. Network Solutions that introduced this gimmick actually registers the domains in 10-year intervals, at the price dictated by the Registry at the end of each 10-year cycle.

I am using the information provided to the general public on Netsol website:

Exclusively from Network Solutions.
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The 100 Year Domain Service is another way that we are making it easier to manage and maintain your domain names.
Our Best Price.
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Lock in your domain registration for our lowest price available - just $9.99 a year. This is a savings of over 70% compared to paying annually.

How does the 100 Year Domain Service work?
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Network Solutions will register your domain name for the maximum term available at the underlying domain registry and then, as long as your domain is registered with Network Solutions, we'll add additional years to that registration on an annual basis, ensuring that your registration is always renewed until it has been registered to you for a total of 100 years of registration service from the date of your purchase.

source:
http://www.networksolutions.com/doma...00-yr-term.jsp

[Welkin]

Hm, a 100 years registration of a domain name does not sound serious at all. Such statement is more suitable for a circus... I would very seriously reconsider using the services of any registrar offering such pointless offers.

[dotNetKing]

Does anyone know if there are any limits proposed in the documentation on how much can be charged? Is it unlimited?

Also, does anyone know if the proposal is only for unregistered or dropped names?

Or does it includes names that have already been registered and remain registered by the same person, but allowing for substantial and/or unlimited price rises at each renewal.

I think the answer to these questions (whether there are any limits to increases, and whether increases can arbitrarily applied at renewal) are quite important to the actual effect a change will have.

If the price rises only apply to available domains/never registered domains, registrants can pick and choose according to price.

If prices can be arbitrarily increased at renewal, then I entirely agree with many of the earlier posters who mention things like potential political manipulation, lack of security for businesses regarding their domain name/names, manipulation by registrars of renewal prices to milk successful businesses/organisations etc.

[Acro]

I totally agree with JuniperPark. You didn't have any 10 year plan in the domain name industry.

re: Sorry to burst your bubble. Network Solutions that introduced this gimmick actually registers the domains in 10-year intervals, at the price dictated by the Registry at the end of each 10-year cycle.

I am using the information provided to the general public on Netsol website:

Exclusively from Network Solutions.
-----------------------------------
The 100 Year Domain Service is another way that we are making it easier to manage and maintain your domain names.
Our Best Price.
-----------------
Lock in your domain registration for our lowest price available - just $9.99 a year. This is a savings of over 70% compared to paying annually.

How does the 100 Year Domain Service work?
----------------------------------------------
Network Solutions will register your domain name for the maximum term available at the underlying domain registry and then, as long as your domain is registered with Network Solutions, we'll add additional years to that registration on an annual basis, ensuring that your registration is always renewed until it has been registered to you for a total of 100 years of registration service from the date of your purchase.

source:
http://www.networksolutions.com/doma...00-yr-term.jsp

Another reason why NetSol actually shows interest in NOT changing the current contracts; their 100-year business model would be destroyed.

Provider, I am definitely shocked by the naive approach that you have taken on the subject.

[Rubber Duck]

You further underline you intellectual inadequacy with this posting. The issue was not whether prices should be allowed to increase or not, it is whether registries which are capable of measuring your traffic are able to tax you indescriminately according to you success in attracting traffic. Clearly this is not only immoral but illegal.

My reply is not serious becauase I disagree with you?

forums are for expressing opinions. Sorry Carlton, I am not going to sign it.

There are too much undeveloped domain names that we park. These parking pages are junk of the internet (this is a general opinion among vast majority of internet users). If the prices will be higher for domain name registrations people will think twise before registering domain names. There are many smart people that support price raise for domain names, and there are reasons for that. A correction on the market will affect many of us, but not nessasarily in a bad way. If you have a quality merchandise it won't affect you at all.

Again, if you have a concern about pricing renew your names now for 10 years and the problem will be solved.

[Rubber Duck]

I also think a business plan for 10 years is more than enough. Actually you can register domain names up to 100 years now.

Again underlines ability to open mouth without engaging brain. There is a 10 year limit on registrations. Certain registrars notably Network Solution will contract to renew for 100 years, which is technically very different and you would be well advised to read the small print.

[Provider]

thank you rubber dick for your input


I phoned to netsol today to find out about their offer. you can register for 100 years
domain for 9.99, even if the price will be changed your domain name will be renewed
in 10 years for 9.99

[Rubber Duck]

thank you rubber dick for your input

A proper reply to the issues even tinged with a bit of black humour will get you more respect. Straight insults won't earn you any points.

[Provider]

rubber, you are much smarter than me, I got it. I have a lot of respect for you

I think you should run to mods now

[Rubber Duck]

rubber, you are much smarter than me, I got it. I have a lot of respect for you

I think you should run to mods now

I think you find that I am far too bouyant to be worried about your opinions of me. It is, however, a shame that people who are discussing serious issues have to be distracted with utter nonsense.

[Provider]

well as you pointed out I don't have any brains. Please continue with your discussions. Sorry for interrruption

[sevent]

You further underline you intellectual inadequacy with this posting. The issue was not whether prices should be allowed to increase or not, it is whether registries which are capable of measuring your traffic are able to tax you indescriminately according to you success in attracting traffic. Clearly this is not only immoral but illegal.

Immoral.... no doubt. Illegal? Well, the lawyers could probaly argue either way. Measuring traffic is trivial for a registry (they don't nead EXACT visitor counts, just to know the difference between a 1k and 10k and 100k visitor/day site). And of course, they could always argue that they are really charging based on some hidden forumla that balances brandability, shortness, and whatever other BS to determine your price. Of course it *should* be illegal, but think of how much in legal fees you could afford if you owned every .com, and could charge the 50 million residents whatever you wanted in yearly lease fees, on a resident-by-resident basis.

[Acro]

It would be the end of the Internet as we know it. And I rarely make such statements.