DNForum Sale Listed in DNJournal Top 20

[Rubber Duck]

Its a Dot Net! And what is more it is a Japanese Character IDN. Made No.14, but wait until the market really get going!

http://dnjournal.com/domainsales.htm

Rubber Duck

[richard]

I am not too sure about the legitimacy of this
sale; an idn.net selling for $10,000?! (when I
doubt the .com is even worth $200...).

Methinks a little 'market making' could be at
work here (between buyer and seller) so as to
try and kickstart an aftermarket in idn.com ;-)

Hmm, lets see, who else stands to gain from an
upward trend in idn.com? (oh yes, most of the
IDN speculators here!...). Idn.com's, of EVERY
quality, have usually only ever been sold to other
speculators for $10 to $200 a piece - my question
then is when did idn.com make such a gigantic leap
in value? (when IE7 hasn't even come out yet, and
there have been no further developments in IDN..).

Or are we simply to believe that 'tokyo' is such a
great word that from this point on we should now
a) forget the idn.com sales that have taken place
thus far b) ignore the fact that this is a 2nd place
.net domain (gee, the .com must be worth a fortune
) and c) believe that idn.com somehow has the
edge over idn.idn, when in fact, to date, no such
thing has been proven to be the case.

Richard

[Rubber Duck]

I would be careful if I were you. Calling people liars on Public Forums is not a wise move. I insist on an immediate retraction, otherwise I shall be asking for your to be banned from this Forum.


Rubber Duck

We are losing patience. Here. Retraction or contact details of your attorney please!

Dave Wrixon

I am not too sure about the legitimacy of this
sale; an idn.net selling for $10,000?! (when I
doubt the .com is even worth $200...).

Methinks a little 'market making' could be at
work here (between buyer and seller) so as to
try and kickstart an aftermarket in idn.com ;-)

Hmm, lets see, who else stands to gain from an
upward trend in idn.com? (oh yes, most of the
IDN speculators here!...). Idn.com's, of EVERY
quality, have usually only ever been sold to other
speculators for $10 to $200 a piece - my question
then is when did idn.com make such a gigantic leap
in value? (when IE7 hasn't even come out yet, and
there have been no further developments in IDN..).

Or are we simply to believe that 'tokyo' is such a
great word that from this point on we should now
a) forget the idn.com sales that have taken place
thus far b) ignore the fact that this is a 2nd place
.net domain (gee, the .com must be worth a fortune
) and c) believe that idn.com somehow has the
edge over idn.idn, when in fact, to date, no such
thing has been proven to be the case.

Richard

[stevo]

I hope that the transaction is totally legitimate. Duke is usually quite thorough with his reports. I think richard presents an interesting scenario. Makes me wonder.

[Rubber Duck]

I hope that the transaction is totally legitimate. Duke is usually quite thorough with his reports. I think richard presents an interesting scenario. Makes me wonder.

Transaction is legitimate, and it quite clear from the rest of Richard's supposition that he doesn't have the foggiest Idea what he is talking about. I sold over 100 IDN, you only have to check the sales threads on this forum to see a few of my transactions. I have made a significant number of 4 figure transaction to other members on this Forum If you check the sales threads at IDNForums.com you will see a number of substantial transactions that I have not been involved with. There was also another domain mentioned at DNJournal in which I have no involvement. Yes, they have all been bought by IDNers, now isn't that suspicious! What exactly is all this IDN paranoia about?

My contact details are:

David Wrixon
Chinese Domains Ltd
3 Harewood Hill
Goose Cote Lane
Keighely
West Yorkshire
BD22 7NN
United Kingdom

If you are going to make public allegations of this nature please provide your details as well. If you want to stand and be counted on this let us all know who you are!

Rubber Duck

[richard]

Mr Wrixon

I am not posting my contact details here
but by all means contact an administrator
at dnforum.com, and I hereby give permission
for them to release my full contact details
to you.

I will look forward to hearing from your
solicitor in due course.

Richard

[Rubber Duck]

Mr Wrixon

I am not posting my contact details here
but by all means contact an administrator
at dnforum.com, and I hereby give permission
for them to release my full contact details
to you.

I will look forward to hearing from your
solicitor in due course.

Richard

So your unfounded allegation effectively remain anonymous?

Rubber Duck

[petrosc]

I would be careful if I were you. Calling people liars on Public Forums is not a wise move. I insist on an immediate retraction, otherwise I shall be asking for your to be banned from this Forum.


Rubber Duck

We are losing patience. Here. Retraction or contact details of your attorney please!

Dave Wrixon

I am sorry to get between this fight, but it seems to me that richard did not directly call anyone a liar, just expressing his doubts.

I am not too sure about the legitimacy of this
sale; an idn.net selling for $10,000?! (when I
doubt the .com is even worth $200...).

Me personally, I saw that sales thread and am not in a position to doubt it, it is a very nice name afterall. The reason i am writing is because richard expressed his opinion, which he also justified and while IMO a simple conversation would solve this, rubber duck chose to make legal threats.

Relax people is this necessary? Can't anyone express his opinion anymore?
A simple conversation can to wonders if you give it a chance, I am sure richard did not make that comment in bad faith.

[Olney]

What you guys don't know is these IDN domains have been researched, talked about, appraised, & posted for sale for the last 6 months. Since January Sales have really increased.

The Tokyo.net sold in the open but many have been selling for at least $500 up since January. Rubber Duck has been an IDNer for a long time & inspired me to increase the awareness of IDNs for everyone.

Tokyo is one of the biggest & most important economical places in Asia.

You guys might be skeptical about the worth of IDN Domains but we all expected to be under the radar for at least another year. Many pro domainers are actively seeking IDN info...

Now I'll also publicly say it
DAVE DID NOT Start new threads posting Tokyo.net was sold. Others did & posted it over the internet even when he put a sale was pending & waiting to be finalized.
Others jumpstarted reporting it.

If you review his thread as he was approached by the buyer he placed a noticed saying it was sold. All the threads "immediately" after that was started by other IDNers.

[Rubber Duck]

I am sorry to get between this fight, but it seems to me that richard did not directly call anyone a liar, just expressing his doubts.

Me personally, I saw that sales thread and am not in a position to doubt it, it is a very nice name afterall. The reason i am writing is because richard expressed his opinion, which he also justified and while IMO a simple conversation would solve this, rubber duck chose to make legal threats.

Relax people is this necessary? Can't anyone express his opinion anymore?
A simple conversation can to wonders if you give it a chance, I am sure richard did not make that comment in bad faith.

Well if it was not in bad faith, perhaps he will do some proper market reseach and report back. He could start by checking the IDN Sales Threads at this forum [mod]deleted[/mod] He might also ask the opinions of one or two established IDN Operators like Edwin Hayward for example (There is another man who is no afraid for the World to know who he is). And if anyone thinks that Edwin and I have a cosy relationship going, then check some of the back threads on here!

Rubber Duck

[richard]

I would be the last person to want
to throw suspicion on this sale, if it
has genuinely occurred, so why not
let us do this and 'put this issue to
bed' right now for the benefit of
everyone

Doing this will remove ANY doubt in
peoples minds that the sale is genuine,
and it will doubtless propel idn.com to
unheard of heights in the aftermarket.

(I know you personally have a considerable
holding in idn.com, and so this will likely
increase the value of those domain names
greatly).

You simply provide the owner of this
forum, Adam Dicker, a.k.a. Dotcomgod,
(an impartial party) with irrefutable dated
proof that this sale has actually occurred
at the price stated (and for that proof to
hopefully be posted here on this forum)
and I will publicly and without question
retract my original comment and dnforum
will also have the opportunity to ban me
from this forum forevermore.

So there you have it, that is the challenge.
There is no reason why such proof could
not be given, after all you were both happy
enough to let people know how much had
been paid for the domain...

Do I have your and the purchasers agreement
that you will do this Mr Wrixon?

Richard

(please also check my earlier postings on
idn.com; you will find that I have been fair,
even complimentary, to such domains. I am
aware of peoples sensibilities towards domain
names that they own and that is why I have
always been careful in the past not to upset
their point of view. However, this particular
posting about a $10K sale of an idn.com (in
this case .net) is very different as it has now
crossed the line from personal opinion to 'news'
(i.e. something that most people will believe to
be true).

[QuantumBeam]

good sale...

[richard]

Olney, no one is doubting the importance
of IDN; I first got involved around 3 years
ago and saw its potential immediately.

What I think we are talking about here is
the distinction between idn.com and idn.idn;
frankly, at this point in time, the 'verdict is
out' on both TLD's and the market will decide
which one will prevail.

Richard

[Rubber Duck]

Olney, no one is doubting the importance
of IDN; I first got involved around 3 years
ago and saw its potential immediately.

What I think we are talking about here is
the distinction between idn.com and idn.idn;
frankly, at this point in time, the 'verdict is
out' on both TLD's and the market will decide
which one will prevail.

Richard

Eventually all IDNs will be IDN.IDN, but they will not actually be separate domain registrations. They will simply be different manifestations of the same thing.

Time Frame? 12 to 18 months tops! ICANN's reputation and legal status depend on getting this right!

Rubber Duck

[none]

Olney, no one is doubting the importance
of IDN; I first got involved around 3 years
ago and saw its potential immediately.

What I think we are talking about here is
the distinction between idn.com and idn.idn;
frankly, at this point in time, the 'verdict is
out' on both TLD's and the market will decide
which one will prevail.

Richard

You do know about DNAME mapping don't you?

Rubber Duck beat me to this post it seems...

[TheLegendaryJP]

Wow threatening to sue over someone's doubt ? And that's after a banning request as well

In my opinion youre lucky Adam doesn't ban YOU for such an immature yet very real threat to another member over their doubt. Rubber Duck youre the one

[Rubber Duck]

Wow threatening to sue over someone's doubt ?

In my opinion youre lucky Adam doesn't ban YOU for such an immature yet very real threat to another member over their doubt. Rubber Duck youre the one

I am sorry but such detailed suppositions amount to unsubstantiated allegations. If Adam is prepared to support such nonsense then there won't be any need for a ban. I be out of here before you here the door slam!

I would be the last person to want
to throw suspicion on this sale, if it
has genuinely occurred, so why not
let us do this and 'put this issue to
bed' right now for the benefit of
everyone

Doing this will remove ANY doubt in
peoples minds that the sale is genuine,
and it will doubtless propel idn.com to
unheard of heights in the aftermarket.

(I know you personally have a considerable
holding in idn.com, and so this will likely
increase the value of those domain names
greatly).

You simply provide the owner of this
forum, Adam Dicker, a.k.a. Dotcomgod,
(an impartial party) with irrefutable dated
proof that this sale has actually occurred
at the price stated (and for that proof to
hopefully be posted here on this forum)
and I will publicly and without question
retract my original comment and dnforum
will also have the opportunity to ban me
from this forum forevermore.

So there you have it, that is the challenge.
There is no reason why such proof could
not be given, after all you were both happy
enough to let people know how much had
been paid for the domain...

Do I have your and the purchasers agreement
that you will do this Mr Wrixon?

Richard

(please also check my earlier postings on
idn.com; you will find that I have been fair,
even complimentary, to such domains. I am
aware of peoples sensibilities towards domain
names that they own and that is why I have
always been careful in the past not to upset
their point of view. However, this particular
posting about a $10K sale of an idn.com (in
this case .net) is very different as it has now
crossed the line from personal opinion to 'news'
(i.e. something that most people will believe to
be true).

Ron Jackson has already done the necessary on this. Are you disbelieving him as well?

[TheLegendaryJP]

I am sorry but such detailed suppositions amount to unsubstantiated allegations. If Adam is prepared to support such nonsense then there won't be any need for a ban. I be out of here before you here the door slam!

Being the honorable man you are I suppose when Adam does not ban a member(richard) for voicing his opinion , you will leave.

I suggest since you feel so strong about proving this name sold, post up solid evidence and in turn robert can delete his opinion. That way when robert isn't banned you won't have to keep your word and leave.

[Rubber Duck]

Being the honorable man you are I suppose when Adam does not ban a member(richard) for voicing his opinion , you will leave.

I suggest since you feel so strong about proving this name sold, post up solid evidence and in turn robert can delete his opinion. That way when robert isn't banned you won't have to keep your word and leave.

As I have already stated the necessary proof has already been forwarded to Ron Jackson for scrutinisation, I have no intention of second opinioning him.

I would be quite happy though for your to seek a public opinion from DCG or anyone else that has experience in the IDN business, on the real market value of this domain. Indeed, let us resolve this by turning this into an appraisal thread. This domain was actually sold far too cheaply. The reason that you don't see other domains going at this level is because by and large the owners are not prepared to sell.

You might even try soliciting the current owner to see if he will sell. I guess he would just laugh in your face!

[TheLegendaryJP]

I do not doubt your claims at all. Simply because I have no personal experience with the idn market.

Nor do I beleive you have to prove it again.

It bothered me to see someone voice their opinion and be asked to remove it or get threatened with legal action and a banning. That threat was way out of line imo. Maybe I am wrong but again it's my opinion.