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| Name: Chris Last Online: Yesterday 12:20 PM iTrader: (64) Join Date: Apr 2006
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Country: | the industry is crocked. Sell all your generic revenue earning .coms to me quickly before the parking bubble bursts - its the only smart thing to do!
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| Exclusive Lifetime Member Name: Paul Last Online: 10-23-2009 01:00 PM iTrader: (58) Join Date: Dec 2007
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| Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 11-07-2009 05:06 PM iTrader: (5) Join Date: Jun 2007
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DNF$: 261 Location: London | Adatise – could you shed some light on why 2013 is the magic date that the internet will really shine. I’m not taking the mickey here – just interested in hearing valid reasons.
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| Exclusive Lifetime Member Name: Paul Last Online: 10-23-2009 01:00 PM iTrader: (58) Join Date: Dec 2007
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| Gold Lifetime Member Last Online: 01-20-2009 12:04 AM iTrader: (0) Join Date: Jul 2006
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DNF$: 100 Location: SE Asia | While people are still registering domains, fewer of them do so less often. Remember, market price is the equilibrium point of the supply and demand. Now the demand is getting weak due to the world economy, and the supply is increasing as domainers need to liquidate their portfolios to increase cash flow. That is a lot of domainers becomes unemployed, and they don't have the money to pay for the mortgage or rent, foods and other essential stuff, they will need to sell the domains for money. Now if they are selling at the normal prices, it will take months to get a sale. Therefore, the more desperate domainers need money, the lower price they are willing to take in order to get the money as quick as possible. Ok, say you don't need money that desperate, but still you now cannot price your domain like before, because if you do that, your domains will look expensive; therefore, buyers will resort to buying other premium domains at cheaper prices. Consequently, the domain market is shifting toward cheaper prices, whether you want it or not, regardless of whatever growth reports you're shoving down. Also remember that businesses cut their advertising costs in this economic situation. Apparently, Google is earning less from its advertising products (AdWords and AdSense), and so are the rest of webmasters who rely on AdSense. This is one important indicator how businesses spend their money on advertising. So look around, websites are earning less, and naturally, they will fetch less dough in the market. A lot of you guys understand this. No need to elaborate more. Last edited by brandnewx; 01-17-2009 at 09:20 PM.. |
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| Still Breathing | Well... possibly. Whilst your reasoning seems sound for pure speculator domainers, whose domains are sitting there not covering reg. fee or anywhere near it, ... your argument is not the full story, and elaboration is appropriate. From comments out of the Affiliate conference this last week, it is clear that if you have natural traffic in commercially viable areas, there is no reason to be anything other than optimistic going forward. From my own recent experience, like many others, I've been moving names from parking to affiliate, and even without buying any Google traffic, I've got names making from 10 to 20 times their previous parking rev. No suggestion of a downturn there. A variation on the ancient GIGO principle is, if you start with crap names, you'll have crap names going forward. And yes, Verisign may well have shot themselves in the foot by hiking prices twice recently, as domainers will probably be dropping many more marginal names than would otherwise occur, especially in the current economic situation. So yes, basically agree with you, but not all is bleak. |
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| Domainer Name: Simon Johnson Last Online: 10-26-2009 08:53 AM iTrader: (5) Join Date: Dec 2005
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DNF$: 1,338 Location: Melbourne, Aust
Country: | I was contacted by MAP Research last year asking me about the domaining industry. I'd be interested to know exactly where they got their stats from and how they validated the information.
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Country: | The global downurn in economy will absolutely affect also the domain industry. The economic activity worldwide has gone down the road, the demand for products and commodities goes down, whole economies are in the brick of bancruptcy.Liquidation of assets that's taking place and devaluation of many kind of assets worldwide will also include somehow and the domain industry. In internet alone, we should expect a downturn in online sales since the majority of population that use this media are western countries that are going to hit by economic collapse. I would expect that valuations of domains will slide in the next 1-2 years since many people will cut spending (for real economic needs or just from fear of what is unfolding). If the final outcome will be that too many people will see their standard of living go down instead of what we have learned for so many years, then really I can't expect that the industry will do well. In this context, I would expect that someone with cash could find many opportunities in the near future. But for valuations alone, I bet that we would have to go down to earth since the ROI of any domain investment would have t be reconsidered under the new reality.As already explained above by others, earnings of online advertising will be hit anyway, so the income from parking and such just my 2 cents |
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| Bloody lovely Last Online: Yesterday 11:19 PM iTrader: (393) Join Date: Feb 2004
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Country: | Teamwork, that's the "doom and gloom" that you're facing in Europe, having experienced a different type of meltdown than in the US. I won't blame Karamanlis for that in Greece, like many of my co-patriots do, I will blame the gray/black market economy of Greece and that of the Old Continent. Here in the US, the economy is more dynamic and driven by entrepreneurship, unlike Europe that it requires brick and mortar industries that have long showed they cannot adapt to new technologies and new methods of shifting their resources to produce revenue. In other words, the economy is in recovery and while it will take a while to achieve record levels it's most definitely past the bottom. In the US the psychological factor of having a competent president has been accomplished. The economical stimulus is in the process of creating several million jobs, which in turn will increase industrial production and both corporate and consumer spending. I am sick and tired of hearing this "economy is bad" thing. I currently respond to email offers that mention that as an excuse for lowballing with a resounding "go **** yourself" ![]()
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Country: | Well all i'm gonna say is that all the domain auctions are still high,there seems to be more domainers with money than sense...........there are a lot of newbie domainers paying crazy money for domains especially in the auctions. As for the enduser harder and harder to come by to pay good money for a domain these days. |
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| Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 09-17-2009 12:47 PM iTrader: (7) Join Date: Jul 2008
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DNF$: 100 Location: London | Many good points from everyone! The domain industry is no different to any other from my point of view. Ok we all know that at the moment we have economical crises worldwide so this has more or less affected every industry. However the domaining market is not a saturated market, there is still a lot more space for growth and money to be made. This current slow down is temporary for the domaining industry. Fact is that the internet will continue to grow so as domainerss we should not have any problems long term. Newspaper, Television & Magazine companies should be the ones thinking hard about their future....... Good luck to everyone in 2009!
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| Bloody lovely Last Online: Yesterday 11:19 PM iTrader: (393) Join Date: Feb 2004
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| Bloody lovely Last Online: Yesterday 11:19 PM iTrader: (393) Join Date: Feb 2004
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Country: | We must be following different auctions. These seem to be auctioned at Great Domains or what-have-you, where bidders look for existing traffic etc. Read my blog about why I am glad 360.org didn't sell at TRAFFIC From the ones you quoted, only truematch.com stirred my interest.At the same time, amphibious.com for under $3k at NameJet looks like a bargain surely? Many more as well, single-word, aged, keyword domains are being grabbed by seasoned domainers for less than $10k.
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| Bloody lovely Last Online: Yesterday 11:19 PM iTrader: (393) Join Date: Feb 2004
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DNF$: 3,507 Location: USA
Country: | Unless you can quote who bought each of these domains, how can you talk about "noob domainers" ? They might as well be end-users that have a business plan for that particular domain. Five, even six figures mean little when you're dealing with a start-up with a plan and funding - even if it's a one-man show. The current advise seems to be, buy the best domain your money can afford. Snapnames is not worse than NameJet for a single reason: domains at Snapnames, Pool etc. are drops with a brand new birthday. If you want to buy old domains you can only do that at NameJet or directly via auctions from their owner.
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| Bloody lovely Last Online: Yesterday 11:19 PM iTrader: (393) Join Date: Feb 2004
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DNF$: 3,507 Location: USA
Country: | As I said, you can't generalize like this - "crap" - because there is a reason behind any purchase of magnitude. "Newbie domainers" don't throw cash around, they are either making mistakes by investing in exotic TLDs, or are rather prudent with their money. The guy with a suitcase full of cash wants that particular domain and is willing to pay a relative premium, *knowing* that he's maximizing his investment in a market that offers far higher ROI than any other market. About Snapnames, you can buy 3rd party domains from their owners via auction, but that's when the price factor kicks in: these domains have an associated acquisition cost. I would not buy "2nd hand" domains at Snapnames, I use them if a domain I really want is about to drop.
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