Dot CN overtakes Dot US

[Rubber Duck]

As previously predicted on this forum Dot CN has outstripped Dot US before year end. Indeed it happened sometime in November.

http://www.cnnic.cn/en/index/index.htm
http://www.whois.sc/internet-statistics/

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

[StockDoctor]

Don't care Dave. There is a huge market of US small businesses yet to participate in any significant way with the web, and it looks like their choice will be .us. I will feel much more comfortable dealing with the US market.

.cn probably will work out nicely for you and others though.

[Rubber Duck]

I agree, I think dot US has a huge future.

Whether it will be more valuable than dot CN is a mute point. Both registeries are going great guns!

These kind of statistics though are starting to make the likes of Dot Biz and Dot Info look pretty sick.

Dot CN has almost certainly gone the 1 Million mark already and will almost certainly overhaul dot Biz in the first half of 2006.

IDN speculation in the Advent of IE 7.0 launch is only likely to steepen the trajectory of dot CN.

Of course this will focus attention back on ccTLDs and can only benefit dot US.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

[mole]

Originally Posted by dwrixon

These kind of statistics though are starting to make the likes of Dot Biz and Dot Info look pretty sick.

It's not quantity but quality that makes names valuable

[Rubber Duck]

I agree with you, but as the available keywords in each extension are the same the only thing that differentiates value is the extension itself. OK! we can argue about how much various individual domains have fetched in the secondary markets, but the easiest and probably the most reliable measures of potential extension value are the number of registrations that have occurred to date and the rate of increase.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

[zouzas]

are they mostly speculators or already own the .com.cn ???
have there beeny any .cn sales reported
??
could be difficult owning a .cn without owning the .com.cn

[Rubber Duck]

Yes, I personally have sold several dot CN for good prices.

Why shoud owning the .cn be difficult. There was a full grandfathering proceedure carried out when dot CN was launched. Anyone with a vested interested had more than ample opportunity to subscribe. I don't think ownership of .com.cn now infers any right over .cn.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

[mole]

Originally Posted by zouzas

have there beeny any .cn sales reported
??

Google had to pay a cybersquatter US$1m for google.com.cn and google.cn.

[carlton]

Originally Posted by dwrixon

As previously predicted on this forum Dot CN has outstripped Dot US before year end ...

I guess that would be a normal occurrence given the population differential. I don't take that to be indicative of anything negative about .US.

[Rubber Duck]

No, it wasn't intended to be, but the fact that most dynamic extension in the secondary market is being beaten into the ground by dot CN is highly significant. It strongly suggests that the Chinese market is the one with the most dynamic. I am personally aiming to get out of dot CN, but I have great faith in the Chinese Market.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

[adoptabledomains]

Facts to consider:

1. Dot-us has a Nexus policy.
2. There are additional rules that are probably more tightly restricted in .us domains (TM enforcement {more US lawyers}, reserved domains, usage requirements, etc.)
3. Some .cn are in English, some in Chinese (many flavors, character sets), some in other languages. Most .us are likely to be english using standard ASCII characters set.
4. US business is pretty much expected to be in English. The Chinese to become a world market force, must cater to many languages.
5. US Population is probably 20% that of China. (Even though many .cn supporters seem to overlook the spendable income, access to internet, and censorship of content differences).

You can have all the .cn domains you want. I have none and don't plan on getting any. I do trade in good generic .us domains though. The chinese may let you register and spend money on them, but a good portion will never be seen by a chinese person due to censorship of the eventual content.

Originally Posted by mole

Google had to pay a cybersquatter US$1m for google.com.cn and google.cn.

...which would indicate that many are cybersquatted TM names that US lawyers would have a field day with if registered in .us.

[mole]

You need to look at this as a broader international level to make sense of this, adopt. Most of the so-called big time domainers are from the US, and the concept of .CN reminds them of Mao Tze Tung and all things communist and dodgy.

[touchring]

Originally Posted by adoptabledomains

Facts to consider:

1. Dot-us has a Nexus policy.
2. There are additional rules that are probably more tightly restricted in .us domains (TM enforcement {more US lawyers}, reserved domains, usage requirements, etc.)
3. Some .cn are in English, some in Chinese (many flavors, character sets), some in other languages. Most .us are likely to be english using standard ASCII characters set.
4. US business is pretty much expected to be in English. The Chinese to become a world market force, must cater to many languages.
5. US Population is probably 20% that of China. (Even though many .cn supporters seem to overlook the spendable income, access to internet, and censorship of content differences).

You can have all the .cn domains you want. I have none and don't plan on getting any. I do trade in good generic .us domains though. The chinese may let you register and spend money on them, but a good portion will never be seen by a chinese person due to censorship of the eventual content.



...which would indicate that many are cybersquatted TM names that US lawyers would have a field day with if registered in .us.

Pls cut the crap on censorship - business websites, including 99% of porn, are not censored, R-rated magazines (similar to Playboy) are legally sold on streets.

Whilst there are more internet users in China than in the US, ecommerce is extremely limited, but mcommerce is more developed than in the US, which is also the case for Japan.

Anyway, IDN is taking off among Japanese businesses (the only thing stopping them is the browser), and many Japanese idns are registered by real businesses and not just European/US speculators.

IDNs will become mainstream in Asia eventually, although it may take several years for that to happen.

[adoptabledomains]

Originally Posted by touchring

Pls cut the crap on censorship - business websites, including 99% of porn, are not censored, R-rated magazines (similar to Playboy) are legally sold on streets.

I never said anything about porn. News, blogs, opinion, politics, and forums like this are most likely to be censored if the writings don't meet political standards. Just making a point that just because a domain name is sold, doesn't mean the content will be seen. I don't think this is "crap", just a fact that needs to be considered.

Originally Posted by touchring

There are more internet users in China than in the US, ecommerce is extremely limited, but mcommerce is more developed than in the US, which is also the case for Japan.

Just my opinion, but the usefulness of domain names for doing business has more to do with consumers with money to spend than population. China is growing faster as a supplier of products to the world due to the low wage rates there. Yes, they will grow as consumers and many domains will sell and be used. I don't think most could afford goods made by English speaking companies though, and won't be looking for the words in English. If they were, I think they'd be looking at .us or .com domains to find these products. English words in .cn domains probably have far more value than Chinese words would in .us domains, but I still think they are HIGHLY speculative. If it's only for SEO keyword usage, you might as well get .cc, .bz, .ws, or .in.

I'd be curiouis to see a breakdown on .cn names by language and by subdomain (.com.cn), which I think would be more comparable.

Another factor in .us is that we also have many domains in the .mil, .gov, and .edu domains (not to mention a head start on the gTLD's) which in china would be contained under .cn adding to the figures. I know of several cities and states that have moved from .us to .gov when they were finally allowed to.

{edit} Actually, I went to the link shown in the first post. and found this:

.com.cn - 343,416
.net.cn - 36,135
.org.cn - 13,984
.gov.cn - 21,437
.cn - 522,227

187,813 subdomain.cn existed before the plain .cn was opened up. The stats shown for .us is 944,288 registrations.

First, I'll bet a lot of the .cn are duplicates of the .com.cn and .net.cn (redundancy). Second, there is no .com/net/org registerable subdomain of .us, therefore the .us domain is really more like double that of ".cn". I think the title statement to this thread is probably a little off the mark. Not to mention the fact that US companies prefer .com. I don't think you can really compare raw numbers of ".us verses .cn"

[touchring]

Originally Posted by adoptabledomains

I never said anything about porn. News, blogs, opinion, politics, and forums like this are most likely to be censored if the writings don't meet political standards. Just making a point that just because a domain name is sold, doesn't mean the content will be seen. I don't think this is "crap", just a fact that needs to be considered.



Just my opinion, but the usefulness of domain names for doing business has more to do with consumers with money to spend than population. China is growing faster as a supplier of products to the world due to the low wage rates there. Yes, they will grow as consumers and many domains will sell and be used. I don't think most could afford goods made by English speaking companies though, and won't be looking for the words in English. If they were, I think they'd be looking at .us or .com domains to find these products. English words in .cn domains probably have far more value than Chinese words would in .us domains, but I still think they are HIGHLY speculative. If it's only for SEO keyword usage, you might as well get .cc, .bz, .ws, or .in.

I'd be curiouis to see a breakdown on .cn names by language and by subdomain (.com.cn), which I think would be more comparable.

Another factor in .us is that we also have many domains in the .mil, .gov, and .edu domains (not to mention a head start on the gTLD's) which in china would be contained under .cn adding to the figures. I know of several cities and states that have moved from .us to .gov when they were finally allowed to.

{edit} Actually, I went to the link shown in the first post. and found this:

.com.cn - 343,416
.net.cn - 36,135
.org.cn - 13,984
.gov.cn - 21,437
.cn - 522,227

187,813 subdomain.cn existed before the plain .cn was opened up. The stats shown for .us is 944,288 registrations.

First, I'll bet a lot of the .cn are duplicates of the .com.cn and .net.cn (redundancy). Second, there is no .com/net/org registerable subdomain of .us, therefore the .us domain is really more like double that of ".cn". I think the title statement to this thread is probably a little off the mark. Not to mention the fact that US companies prefer .com. I don't think you can really compare raw numbers of ".us verses .cn"

I'm not into this .us versus .cn comparison. I'm putting forward my points in relation to the comments on censorship, which i found to be rather sweeping at first look.

[TheWatcher]

Another reason that .CN or .COM.CN will increase is due to upcoming Olympic games in China.

[mole]

What's this? Does this mean you have to register all your .CN addresses with China??
http://mdn.mainichi-msn.co.jp/busine...bu032000c.html


China closes unregistered Web sites en masse before Christmas
SHANGHAI -- The Chinese government last week began closing down Web sites whose owners had not registered their personal information with the Ministry of Information Industry (MII), government officials said.

"Unregistered Web sites were shut down as a warning. The government is not punishing anyone," Hu Yonglong, the Vice Director of the Shanghai Communications Administration (SCA), told Interfax Monday. The SCA is the local branch of the MII in Shanghai.

The closing of Web sites were carried out by local branches of the MII, which in March were ordered to compile databases of personal information for all individuals and companies that had registered Internet domain names in China. New regulations issued in March require all individuals who own domain names to register their legal names, citizen identification card numbers, telephone numbers, employers, and the location of the server on which their Web sites are hosted. The MII said in March that these new directories would help authorities shut down Web sites with pornographic, gambling, and other illegal content.

The original deadline for registering Web sites was June 15, but authorities decided to extend the cut-off date because so many Web sites had failed to register by June, Hu said.

"But by the end of this year, there were still too many Web sites not registered, so we began shutting them down," Hu said.

An official with the Beijing Communications Administration said that similar campaigns to shut down unregistered websites hosted in Beijing and other Chinese cities had also taken place.

"This is a national campaign," the Beijing Communication Administration official, who asked to remain anonymous, said.

However, none of the officials were willing to say how many Web sites had been shut in the crackdown, nor were they clear about how Chinese authorities were executing the closing of the unregistered Web sites.

Server administrators though wrote on a number of Internet bulletin boards that Chinese authorities had sealed off ports on servers hosting Web sites that had not been registered with the government. But by sealing off server ports, each of which provides access to several Web sites hosted on a single server, authorities were not only shutting down services to unregistered Web sites, but also closing access to Web sites that had registered with the MII.

"If your Web site is closed, all you have to do is register it and it will be opened," Hu said.

In one example, Intel's www.intel.com.cn domain named was blocked last week because the chipmaker failed to register its ownership of the address with the MII. But the chipmaker's Web site was back up and running just a day later, after the company registered the intel.com.cn domain name with authorities.

Unfortunately, this example does not apply to the vast majority of unregistered Web sites that have been shut down. The owner of one Web site that had been shut said he had no plans to register his Web site with the MII because it would allow authorities to find and prosecute him for illegal content.

Many of the Web sites that were shut during last week's crackdown were online bulletin board systems, which allow users to upload text, pictures, links, and other files to share with others. This uploaded content often contains pornographic and anti-government material, which Chinese authorities have been eager to stop. The Web site owner said that by registering his Web site, authorities would be able to fine him for illegal content that others had uploaded to his Web site.

"Its not worth it to register," the Web site owner said. "I'll either use a server in Hong Kong or the U.S., or I'll stop doing the Web site." (Interfax-China)

December 26, 2005



Interfax-China

[none]

That's scary mole... I logged into my account -- .cn are still there -- phew!

Regardless of what I or anyone else think, the IDN market has acted just like any other market: as a predictive mechanism.

By the time the word is out that IDN receive traffic, the good names are gone.

In fact, I've found that most if not all super-premium IDN were registered in 2000, and most if not all premium names have already been registered in the last couple of years. (How did they know?!). I've just been picking up the dregs in the last 4 months, albeit with slightly better tools at my disposal.

It's not just the vocal members of this forum debating and promoting IDN. If you dig a little, you'll see that some of the laterally-thinking old-timers already have sites up with premium IDN addresses. I wish I had those, that's for sure...

[Rubber Duck]

As I understand it, this is only really implementation of established ICANN Policy, that if you do not maintain up to date contact information you can loose your domain.

Obviously, things are not as free and easy in China in the West, but even here the inability of the Security forces to trace the owners of domain names is becoming a serious issue.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon