The end of .com ? Yes ? No ?

**bludex** · 07-01-2008, 08:40 AM

And what about reverse hijacking?
What about right to own one's name? All those trademark issues and implications.
Regging .com as statement to open a business. Maybe an extension for all trademarks protected throughout the web? Reg the extension and automatically have the trademark protected?

What's the best extension for the extension's sake? .e? .in("I'm in")? .dot? .$? .us? .en (english)?

What about the fate of English as de facto world language made by the web?

What about pricing of .com regs/renewals (will they become more expensive? Will average Joe Domainer be able to afford?) and new extensions for say 1cent/year or for free?

**flamewalker** · 07-01-2008, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by pcproffenno

Believe it or not, a town in North Wales is called:

Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysilio gogogoch

I would love to see how people will handle the .llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysili ogogogoch extension.

Number one...thats just insane... number two, chances of a typo? 99.9%.

Regarding the hijacking... I think it will be highly limited due to the sheer cost. At $100k+ I don't think that number will plummet too quickly.

On a similar note I was thinking about trademarks... if the price stays up sky high, I don't think it will be a problem. If prices come down to the reach of the average American, this COULD possibly be even more headache for tm owners. However, only if/until that happens, I think trademark owners not worry much as most of the new tld's will (imho) be used for commercial purposes of selling .tld names (.mobi, .web, etc).

I don't think this is intended to be construed as opening the tld system willy nilly as some reactions (admittedly even some of my own initial reactions) portray. I think the high price tag is intended to keep it as mainly an easier way for the likes of mobi to get approved easier.

**bludex** · 07-01-2008, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by flamewalker

Number one...thats just insane... number two, chances of a typo? 99.9%.

Regarding the hijacking... I think it will be highly limited due to the sheer cost. At $100k+ I don't think that number will plummet too quickly.

On a similar note I was thinking about trademarks... if the price stays up sky high, I don't think it will be a problem. If prices come down to the reach of the average American, this COULD possibly be even more headache for tm owners. However, only if/until that happens, I think trademark owners not worry much as most of the new tld's will (imho) be used for commercial purposes of selling .tld names (.mobi, .web, etc).

I don't think this is intended to be construed as opening the tld system willy nilly as some reactions (admittedly even some of my own initial reactions) portray. I think the high price tag is intended to keep it as mainly an easier way for the likes of mobi to get approved easier.

Also think of the possibility of "wild-west" registrars running astray of regulation...
TM holders will face massive dilution problems also.
Opening the Domain Name System too much could in the end enforce stricter regulation of the web also for the old TLD territories. Everybodies freedom will have to be limited in order to restrain the wild crowds across the borders. Familiar theme as it seems!

**ksinclair** · 07-01-2008, 08:58 PM

Yes, it is.

Please send me all your .com domains, ok?
Since they no longer have any value, I am willing
to take them off your hands, just to help you out.

**south** · 07-01-2008, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by ksinclair

Yes, it is.

Please send me all your .com domains, ok?
Since they no longer have any value, I am willing
to take them off your hands, just to help you out.

Yes, .com is done. However, *I* will give you the full registration fee for each of your 3 letter .com names to help soften the blow of this. Hurry before this offer expires! Sell today!

**Yum** · 07-02-2008, 12:15 AM

i am afraid dot com and net will collapse.

**Acro** · 07-02-2008, 12:24 AM

Yum, you can't be serious. Why are you spending thousands buying LLL .com's then?

**Yum** · 07-02-2008, 12:31 AM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Yum, you can't be serious. Why are you spending thousands buying LLL .com's then?

this is a new strategy for Dn.and till now,i don't know the impact to the market.

**Acro** · 07-02-2008, 12:36 AM

Duke wrote a great article about how this new, unsophisticated move by ICANN(t) will affect the industry - read it at DNJournal's June newsletter.

**Domainator** · 07-02-2008, 12:55 AM

This is an ignorant comment...sorry to be harsh, but if you are just kidding, you need to put a "smiley" or something behind your statement.....

Originally Posted by Yum

i am afraid dot com and net will collapse.

But what happens when you become our 51st State????

Originally Posted by QueenMother

I am glad most of my portfolio is dot CA. I believe that my generics will be the most valuable then, and most importantly, most Canadian computers will have a default to
dot ca addresses. As it stands now, I get results for Ottawa...which is where I am located. Country codes will become more valuable and relevant.

**Rubber Duck** · 07-02-2008, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Duke wrote a great article about how this new, unsophisticated move by ICANN(t) will affect the industry - read it at DNJournal's June newsletter.

Yes, not bad, but I am not sure this stands up to scrutiny:

"T.R.A.F.F.I.C. conference co-founder Rick Schwartz, who has a pretty good track record for predicting future trends in this business, told members of his private discussion board......"

What you need to understand, although I don't disagree with them, is that these guys would have said this anyway.

**SIKHboy** · 07-02-2008, 01:40 AM

i will get .pizza and pay the fees RATHER than getting pizza.com for 3 million lol.

**DNBA** · 07-02-2008, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by Onward

I cannot wait for 100,000 more options like .name

lol. this is a stupid move that ICANN is going to make. What a bunch of bureaucratic idiots. this will create mass confusion for users. i already have a hard time telling clients that their domain name has an extention other then a .com and they still add .com to it.

me: "yeah, that name is taken. i can reg a .la for you"
client: "oh so its, domain.la.com"
me: "NO! its domain.LA"
client: "oh, you can do that?"

in any case i do see more phishing and scams happening. More C&D's floating around and a big mess you cant take back.

Also if the gTLD doesnt get picked up in google or yahoo. how is it going to make it in the market place. .travel wasnt getting picked up by google for the longest time.

There should be a limit on new TLDs or let us make our damm money that we've invested in. We create the market place. loose domainers and watch sales for all TLDs go to shit.

besides who the hell wants a banded gTLD form another company?

what am i going to do with drink.coke? ill get slapped with a C&D in a heart beat. whats wrong with a simple sub domain name?

in any case this seems like a twilight zone episode or a show out of sliders. can we protest all new tlds?

**HuntingMoon** · 07-02-2008, 04:34 AM

imho a company will want to bolster its standing by having a vanity extension to go along with their .com, short code, tm's, etc..

having all of the bases covered will have its benefits.

**dnol** · 07-02-2008, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by HuntingMoon

imho a company will want to bolster its standing by having a vanity extension to go along with their .com, short code, tm's, etc..

having all of the bases covered will have its benefits.

more details and explanation?

**Stian** · 07-02-2008, 05:07 AM

If this decision will ever be implemented, we won't notice it until many years to come. Nothing further to discuss, let it be forgotten like all the other decisions ICANN has come up with the last years.

**HuntingMoon** · 07-02-2008, 05:14 AM

Originally Posted by dnol

more details and explanation?

just saying that as a company owner i want the .com, the short code for mobile functionality, and a vanity extension in our portfolio.

**dnol** · 07-02-2008, 05:38 AM

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Thanks.

**rodash** · 07-02-2008, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by dnbroker

I imagine that there may be ".countries" or ".cities" extensions so it may be common in the future to refer to geo domains in such a way.

If this is the case then investing in "geo".com does not seem to be a reasonable thing.

Any more opinion on this?

I don't agree.

At first you think the value in a .city extension is that it could become much more than a geo, that its value lies in a much broader playing field. You immediately think of level two domains such as houses.newyork, hotels.newyork, cars.newyork, jobs.newyork and so on. You think that anyone with an extension of this description could end up selling a lot of expensive level two "real estate" to third parties.

But then you think, why couldn't the same thing be done from NewYork.com? In fact, you wonder if has this already been done with NewYork.com? So you go to newyork.com and you see that there's no houses listed for sale on the site, no cars for sale and no jobs listed. So why is that?

I think the answer is not that NewYork.com hasn't tried to get these things listed on their site; I think the answer is that it doesn't work because of the competition. To get jobs on the site they would end up competing with powerful specialist job sites, and the same with cars and real estate. That then becomes a scatter-gun approach. Imagine taking on all those big, powerful industries. Better to concentrate on one marketplace - tourism. That way they have it largely on their own.

Which means that whoever sets up .newyork will probably have to set the extension up to cater for tourism - and that means competing with the very well-established NewYork.com. That is going to be very tough indeed.

The other issue here is will .city extensions resolve to .city in the browser, or will they require characters preceding the extension? If they don't resolve to .city then I think their job is going to be a lot harder. Imagine having to try and brand and market shows.newyork, tours.newyork, hotels.newyork, tickets.newyork, carrentals.newyork etc. I don't think they could possibly compete with dot com equivalents in this regard. I think it's much more logical to key in newyorkhotels.com, newyorkshows.com or newyorktours.com.

**brian1234** · 07-03-2008, 05:35 AM

Actually, the more I find out about this the more I feel that .anything will only serve to consolidate and reinforce the value of .com.

Remember when all the new or other extensions first came out?.. Everyone was thinking "oh, this is sure to shake down .com!" but in reality none of them ever have...

And what about those TLD's.. lets look at a few: .tv (who doesn't have a tv, and what domainer wasn't worried when THIS ONE first came out?).. and how well has this extension done.. after all these years? It's done nothing.. compared to .com that is.

How about .mobi then?.. the supposed domain for the entire mobile industry. lol, enough said!

And .com? Well, it means 'commercial'.. as a word, a little bit unattractive then. But IT IS a metaphor for the entire internet and I think that everything else, however well it does, will always be 2nd tier.

ICANN has, to date, used the rifle approach with regard to the release of new TLD's. Now, out of naivety and no doubt pure greed, they are using their blunderbuss and scattering their shot all over the place hoping for a hit.

If the domaining community EVER HAD anything to worry about though, then it was ICANN's rifle approach and not the blunderbuss (which will only reinforce confusion in people's minds.. what will they do with this confusing overload of choice?.. go to .com, something they know and trust!).