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Old 04-09-2005, 06:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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First Convicted Spammer Gets 9 Years

By MATTHEW BARAKAT, Associated Press Writer
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...g&sid=84439559

LEESBURG, Va. - He was once considered among the top 10 spammers in the world, using the Internet to peddle pornography and sham products and services like the "FedEx refunding processor," prosecutors say. Convicted in the nation's first felony case against illegal spamming, Jeremy Jaynes, 30, on Friday was sentenced to nine years in prison for bombarding Internet users with the junk e-mails.

But Loudoun County Circuit Judge Thomas Horne delayed the start of Jaynes' prison term while the case is appealed, saying the law is new and raises constitutional questions.

Jaynes was convicted in November for using false Internet addresses and aliases to send mass e-mail ads through an AOL server in Loudoun County, where America Online is based. Under Virginia law, sending unsolicited bulk e-mail itself is not a crime unless the sender masks his identity.

While prosecutors presented evidence of just 53,000 illegal e-mails, authorities believe Jaynes was responsible for spewing out 10 million e-mails a day. Prosecutors say his operation grossed up to $750,000 per month.

A jury recommended the nine-year term for the Raleigh, N.C., man.

Prosecutor Lisa Hicks-Thomas said she was pleased with Friday's ruling — and confident the law would be upheld on appeal.

But defense attorney David Oblon argued nine years was far too long given Jaynes was charged as an out-of-state resident with violating a Virginia law that had taken effect just weeks before. He planned to challenge both the constitutionality of the law and its applicability to Jaynes.

"We have no doubt that we will win on appeal, therefore any sentence is somewhat moot. Still, the sentence is not what we recommended and we're disappointed," Oblon said outside court.

Horne said he might also reconsider the sentence if Jaynes loses the appeal.

"I do not believe a person should go to prison for a law that is invalid," he said. "There are substantial legal issues that need to be brought before the appellate court."

A judge has ruled Maryland's anti-spam law unconstitutional because it seeks to regulate commerce outside the state's borders. However, an appeals court in California and the Washington state Supreme Court have upheld state laws that had been declared unconstitutional by lower courts on grounds similar to the December ruling in Maryland.

Many states have criminal laws against spam, but Virginia's makes it easier than others for prosecutors to obtain a felony conviction, which carries more jail time than a misdemeanor, said Quinn Jalli of the online marketing firm Digital Impact.

Jaynes told the judge regardless of how the appeal turns out, "I can guarantee the court I will not be involved in the e-mail marketing business again." He remains under $1 million bond.

The jury also convicted Jaynes's sister, Jessica DeGroot, but recommended only a $7,500 fine. Her conviction was later dismissed by the judge. A third defendant, Richard Rutkowski of Cary, N.C., was acquitted.
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Old 04-09-2005, 08:10 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Re: First Convicted Spammer Gets 9 Years

Fine, don't give them prison terms. Let us all calculate how long it takes us to delete or block spam and multiply that by our average hourly rate
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Old 04-10-2005, 03:26 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Re: First Convicted Spammer Gets 9 Years

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I think a prison term is a big tuff for spammers... why not just take all his assets that he has earned from his spamming and give them to needy people and give him a huge fine and community service... But not a prison sentence.

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Being an American-based spammer is not a bright idea. What a moron.
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I think a prison term is a big tuff for spammers... why not just take all his assets that he has earned from his spamming and give them to needy people and give him a huge fine and community service... But not a prison sentence.

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Old 04-10-2005, 04:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I think a prison term is a big tuff for spammers... why not just take all his assets that he has earned from his spamming and give them to needy people and give him a huge fine and community service... But not a prison sentence.
Yup, assets should be seized and distributed to worthy recipients. But he does also deserve to go to jail. Here's why, IMO:

If he was the kind of spammer who sends out unsolicited emails to folks but did in fact have real and useful products or services to sell, then no jail time is warranted.

If, as in this case, the spammer was also a scammer, using spam to trick people into sending him money for phony products and services, then that's pure malice, IMO, and it deserves jail time.

9 years? Maybe a bit harsh. But an example must be set. Spam costs the global economy billions, and it sure wastes a whole lot of my time and money.

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Re: First Convicted Spammer Gets 9 Years

Interesting difference between SPAM and SCAM - I haven't read up on the details, but he was SPAMming "real" products or services which were delivered... well it's abusive behavior... that, granted, does have direct economical impacts. (Not to mention headaches for end users.)

But.... if his SPAM involved phishing and fraud and scams... then... that's fraud, plain and simple. Quite the distinction, IMHO.

If he was spamming to promote his ("legit") website... then 9 years is harsh. (Unless parole available after 6 months.

If it was a case of him sending out phishing traps for eBay and PayPal and Citibank and so forth... then 9 years is most certainly warranted.

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He got what he deserved, tricking and fooling people out of thier money is no laughing matter. It is a crime. And as for it he will pay the price. Good luck to him getting A** pounded in prison. I 'm sure I have recieved several of his e-mails.
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Good luck to him getting A** pounded in prison...
Yup. I think he'll make a great girlfriend for some lonely cellmate.

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Hi, my name is buba, you like to wear dresses Jeremy? Well you do now. Your going to be my *****. Well he should have killed someone before he went in. At least his tender virgin butt may have be rescued. I'm sorry for my lack of feelings but I hate con artists and spammers, and I hate those who are both even more.
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I wonder what the sentence would be for just his spamming (providing useful/legit products/services).
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I doubt anything if he was sending legitimate brands and sales, I get junk mail everyday for credit card offers and I'm the next millionare in snail mail everyday...the difference is he was scamming people.....I hope is butt is sore for the next 9 years.
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Considering what happened to him, he should consider himself lucky the FTC
didn't go after him. (or did they?)
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SPAM wastes so much of time. But looking it the other way, there are some commercial products out there that will be out of market if spammers do not exist. SCAM is really a crime that should be dealt with without leniency.

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I wonder what the sentence would be for just his spamming (providing useful/legit products/services).
Can you say oxymoron.
There is no legitimate spam. These losers sending spam should have their fingers chopped off.
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Can you say oxymoron.
There is no legitimate spam. These losers sending spam should have their fingers chopped off.
Fingers cut off?? And maybe fry them up and make the spammer eat them too?

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When i see things like this i tell myself people really have lots of time to lose.
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The real price of spam is all the legitimate emails that get lost in the flood of junk. If you run a genuine online business and want to email all your members/clients (who have actually opted in), you can gaurantee that a large percentage will be stopped by the heuristic spam filters that these guys make necessary..
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It seems to me that the idea of charging per outgoing email is not too far away. Microsoft for one, supports it.
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