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**DotComGod** · 03-19-2006, 02:00 AM

ICANN trials international characters for domain names
Monsters and Critics.com,*UK*- Mar 17, 2006
... domain name authority, the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), is to test using international characters in domain names. ...
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Sarcle · 03-19-2006, 01:00 PM

Is anyone else still not seeing the writing on the wall?

Seems like many would rather just look the other way. Three news stories today about this and one yesterday in this forum.

Let's all cry about $12 .com's in 2012. When the race to millions is going on right now!

Don't worry people you can go back to registering "dumbnameworthnothing.com" afterwards.

IT'S THE 90'S DOMAIN RUSH ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!

**nameslave** · 03-19-2006, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sarcle

IT'S THE 90'S DOMAIN RUSH ALL OVER AGAIN!!!!

We have seen it with .info, .biz, .cn. To be honest, if I could go back to 1994, I wouldn't say a word about the .com boom to anyone else, but invest heavily MYSELF. It makes you wonder, why all the noises??

Sarcle · 03-19-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nameslave

We have seen it with .info, .biz, .cn. To be honest, if I could go back to 1994, I wouldn't say a word about the .com boom to anyone else, but invest heavily MYSELF. It makes you wonder, why all the noises??

Still trying to compare exts. with giving hundreds of millions of native speakers the ability of typing in their own language? Couldn't do that then and still can't now.

Duncan · 03-19-2006, 01:50 PM

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We have seen it with .info, .biz, .cn. To be honest, if I could go back to 1994, I wouldn't say a word about the .com boom to anyone else, but invest heavily MYSELF. It makes you wonder, why all the noises??

People don't want to go bankrupt by themselves.

Sarcle · 03-19-2006, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Duncan

People don't want to go bankrupt by themselves.

Yes the arguments of dissent are getting quieter these days. With less impressive "anything" to back up their statements. Do tell how this will happen? I am curious for the reasons. As none of you can give a direct answer as to why.

Sure IDNers can prove over and over that. Icann, Verisign, Microsoft, Firefox, Google, Yahoo, Local Governments are all working together to get IDN done.

And you come back with petty beliefs that have no ryhme nor reason for them.

Again, I am waiting for some factual argument that will disprove these news stories, these FACTS. Good Luck finding that!

**touchring** · 03-19-2006, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by nameslave

We have seen it with .info, .biz, .cn. To be honest, if I could go back to 1994, I wouldn't say a word about the .com boom to anyone else, but invest heavily MYSELF. It makes you wonder, why all the noises??

Is your first language english and you studied chinese after that using pinyin? I'm just wondering...

Honestly, it isn't 1994, it's already 1997 (for IDNs), 99.9% of good single-word generics are gone, especially for western european languages and japanese. There are still gems out there, only last week i registered 字典.CN. Well, i could keep quiet, but i have other things to do than just find names.

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Originally Posted by Duncan

People don't want to go bankrupt by themselves.

That's the most ridiculous statement, people right here have registered idns that earn many times registration fees a month right now. With IE7, these will explode to thousands of dollars a year, and that's tens of thousands of dollars if we go by 8 years revenue. And as people start to get used to typing-in idns, when more idn sites come up, and with seo and "development" the revenue will increase a few more folds...

Well, i'm actually a "domain newbie", maybe experts can tell me what SEO and development can do to earnings of a generic domain.

**nameslave** · 03-19-2006, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by touchring

Is your first language english and you studied chinese after that using pinyin? I'm just wondering...

Does that really matter?

**DryHeat** · 03-19-2006, 10:20 PM

Hundreds of millions of people around the globe do not read or speak English and hence there’s a clear need and interest by many governments to make Internet accessible to their non-English speaking citizens. This can only happen if these natives have the web content available to them in their respective local languages. This is a fact and there’s no denying it. Now, if one really thinks about it logically and objectively, the only scenario that makes sense for this purpose is to have the ENTIRE web content including the URLs and domain names in local language characters. Therefore, the domains desired and required for this purpose would be in *IDN.IDN* format; i.e. both elements on either side of the dot constituting a domain being in native language characters. In fact, in order to meet its citizen's needs, this is exactly what China has recently done under its existing authority to manage its ccTLD; it has successfully created and implemented true IDN sub-domains (under .CN) where ALL characters of the URL are in Chinese language characters. All the current gTLDs (.com, .net, etc) themselves are in *ENGLISH* characters and do not have any inherent meanings in most native languages. It simply goes against the logic and common sense to believe that at the end what non-English speaking natives around the globe would be using is a local language word/term coupled with an English-based TLD on the right of the dot. So, the need, demand, and future of having non-English based access to the Internet for a multitude of native language speakers is obvious but the only logical and practical way of doing so is having the domains in *IDN.IDN* format. As far as *IDN.com* or *IDN.net* etc are concerned with all their recent hoopla, all one needs to do is pause, think and then decide whether its likely to be a speculative euphoria or the real thing that would ultimately be in use to provide Internet access to scores of millions of non-English speaking folks on the planet.

BTW, no need for IDN enthusiasts to jump up and down and be sarcastic as I’m just stating my thoughts and opinions….If I happen to be wrong, it'd be all gold for you, if not you and those listening to you would be the ones left holding the bag at the end !

**none** · 03-19-2006, 11:24 PM

Dryheat:

You are exactly right. This is about IDN.IDN which are what the press releases were supposed to be about. The first press release doesn't tell the story. The Boston Herald story is slightly more informative.

ICANN has set-out DNAME mapping for .IDN to .com and vice versa. This will work for all gTLD.

The IDN investors are betting on this, which is now much more of an urgency to ICANN due to the recent 'test' by China.

**DryHeat** · 03-20-2006, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by vtrader

ICANN has set-out DNAME mapping for .IDN to .com and vice versa. This will work for all gTLD.

The IDN investors are betting on this, which is now much more of an urgency to ICANN due to the recent 'test' by China.

There's a good informative discussion about this DNAME thing on another forum; here's the link: http://www.domainstate.com/showthrea...ighlight=DNAME

**none** · 03-20-2006, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DryHeat

There's a good informative discussion about this DNAME thing on another forum; here's the link: http://www.domainstate.com/showthrea...ighlight=DNAME

Thanks for the link.

The folks at IDNF have also gone over this ad infinitum if not ad nauseum!

The IDN market is behaving like any other market... as a predictive mechanism -- a good current benchmark have been Japanese prefectures in .com which have recently changed hands at $2,500 from $400 last month, and from reg fee in September/October 2005.

Regardless of the debate about IDN.IDN or even the basic success of IDN, those transactions tell a bigger story.

**DryHeat** · 03-20-2006, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by vtrader

The IDN market is behaving like any other market... as a predictive mechanism -- a good current benchmark have been Japanese prefectures in .com which have recently changed hands at $2,500 from $400 last month, and from reg fee in September/October 2005.

Regardless of the debate about IDN.IDN or even the basic success of IDN, those transactions tell a bigger story.

IMO, aftermarket sales at a point where the product being bought is not even functional yet, might actually reflect an underlying psychology of fear....*fear of missing the boat* that is. After all, many/most of us missed the boat in mid 90's and then many completely shrugged off new TLDs in 2001/02. However, in both of these previous situations aftermarket sales only happened when the TLDs were fully operational and there were no questions whether they'd work as they're supposed to. In contrast, one cannot deny the fact that there're still issues to be resolved and things to be worked out before IDNs would be fully operational, and no one can say with absolute cetainty what format or structure they'd be finally implemented after everything is said and done!