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Number Of .CN Domain Names To Surpass .COM Domain Names In China ...
Pacific Epoch (subscription), Hong Kong - 19 hours ago
China has registered 1.1 million .CN domain names since 1994, compared with 1.2 million .COM domain names, according to comments by China Internet Network ...


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[brian1234]

Good news for .cn owners!

Maybe now the idn.com brigade will
realise that trying to 'create' a market
for idn.com is hopeless... Chinese people
will decide which TLD will prevail, and
they seem to have decided on .cn!

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by brian1234

Good news for .cn owners!

Maybe now the idn.com brigade will
realise that trying to 'create' a market
for idn.com is hopeless... Chinese people
will decide which TLD will prevail, and
they seem to have decided on .cn!

Well, a few months ago, just about everyone on here was against IDN per se. It is clear that there is now a huge boom going on in dot CN and most of that will be IDN.cn related. But ask yourself how many domain extensions will actually be in demand in China given that it has a population 4 times the size of the US. The US seems to be actively using about 10 extensions at the present time. China will likely need 20 or 30, I think there will be room for dot com. The other place has a very large contigent of Chinese speaking members, most of them seem to be speculating in dot com.

The other thing you need to be aware of that the Chinese domain space is much tighter than the ASCII domain space. Wheras it probably takes 1M names to effectively saturate the ASCII domain space with Chinese there be fewer than 100K domains of a good calibre and those will eventually be worth an awful lot more.

The market in Chinese dot coms is evolving quickly and most of the players are Chinese. Sounds like a bad case of sour grapes to me!

[brian1234]

Good luck to you, you are entitled to
speculate on what you think is going
to happen (you would like to happen).

In fact, I hope many more domainers
become active in the Chinese idn.com
arena, so that you can all sell more of
these names to one another!

... a bit like 'pass the parcel', but not
as much fun.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by brian1234

Good luck to you, you are entitled to
speculate on what you think is going
to happen (you would like to happen).

In fact, I hope many more domainers
become active in the Chinese idn.com
arena, so that you can all sell more of
these names to one another!

... a bit like 'pass the parcel', but not
as much fun.

Well if you had followed Traffics closely last week, you would realise that most of the top Generics in ASCII never actually made it to an end-user either. That doesn't seem to have detracted greatly from their value.

Oddly enough, early speculation in extensions seems to be crucial to their success. If it doesn't happen, then the extension usually suffers a long lingering death.

[brian1234]

All very interesting, no doubt. Just a quick
question for you now, do you know of any
idn.com that has EVER been sold at an
end-user???

I can't think of any, and I do mean a REAL
end-user, a company of some standing and
not an idn.com speculator 'on the make'.

[Rubber Duck]

No, I am not personally aware of any Chinese Dot coms IDN being sold to an end user, neither am I personally aware of any Dot CN being sold in this way in the after market either. I seen many companies migrates from ASCII.cn to IDN.com, but probably nearly all of them registered their domains as new. Primary IDNs of major companies are gnerally subject to Trademark and are therefore not something that I would speculate in or would expect to see sales publicised for.

[brian1234]

I acknowledge the fact that idn is an
'emerging' domain name premise, but
you are not aware of A-N-Y end-user
sale?!

You are without doubt, judging by all
the idn.com postings in this forum, the
leader of the idn 'pack', and (just to
confirm once more) you don't know of
ANY idn.com sale to a non-speculator?

Does that not mean then that the
supposed 'value' of Chinese idn.com
names is purely speculative and that
a real market for them does not exist?

[brian1234]

Don't you want to chat anymore Mr.Wrixon?

Oh well, not to worry; maybe we'll all get to
hear about a million dollar idn.com sale soon?

[italiandragon]

That was one of my questions before I was banned last week for a joke of mines. Then that thread disappeared too I guess for mistake because I did not offend anyone or I hope so.

I was concerned about the fact that how come we are in 2006 and there is still plenty of IDN .com names? It seems that in the past years chinese and other people from IDN countries did not reg any......why?

Just last month I saw domain.net unregistered in chinese.....and now it is from someone but not me. I wonder HOW can a name like that being unregistered if that should be of so much worth.

I`m afraid it`s all hot hair because I can`t imagine how all this time chinese people did not reg them.

Opinions?

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by brian1234

I acknowledge the fact that idn is an
'emerging' domain name premise, but
you are not aware of A-N-Y end-user
sale?!

You are without doubt, judging by all
the idn.com postings in this forum, the
leader of the idn 'pack', and (just to
confirm once more) you don't know of
ANY idn.com sale to a non-speculator?

Does that not mean then that the
supposed 'value' of Chinese idn.com
names is purely speculative and that
a real market for them does not exist?

Well the biggest holder of IDN on this forum is DCG, which is one of the reasons that additional forums have been added to the DNF.

No there is no real market as you put it, but the by your definition a real secondary market in ASCII took quite a long time to develop as well.

Are they used? Yes extensively in China and Korea. You will I guess be vaguely aware of the sharp upturn in dot CN registrations. I think if you look more closely, you will realise that most of these are IDN related.

There will always be sceptics. You are certainly not the first! Most of the speculators in IDNs have previously been very sceptical. It would appear that for someone who has not travelled much and has little knowledge of Asian culture, it is generally a very hard concept to grasp. Don't worry, you will eventually, although probably far too late to make any serious money.

$1 dollar sale, I would say probably 2 years from now.

[brian1234]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Are they used? Yes extensively in China and Korea. You will I guess be vaguely aware of the sharp upturn in dot CN registrations. I think if you look more closely, you will realise that most of these are IDN related.

There will always be sceptics. You are certainly not the first! Most of the speculators in IDNs have previously been very sceptical.

Just to clarify, I am not an IDN sceptic - far from it.
I am concerned, however, about the recent 'market'
in idn.com, where such names have (reportedly) been
selling for several thousand dollars a piece.

I am well aware of the income/traffic/opportunity as
it concerns idn.com names, and that is why I hold
mainly idn.idn, as I believe this will ultimately be the
domain of choice in countries that want (and need)
idn.

I am also well aware of the mindset of the typical
domainer, and have a very hard time in believing
THAT... in the absence of an established market
they would pay such prices for domains that are
absolutely unproven, generate little to no traffic
and cannot really be considered desirable even
from a purely speculative viewpoint.

[plato1]

The US seems to be actively using about 10 extensions at the present time. China will likely need 20 or 30, I think there will be room for dot com.

20 or 30 extensions? What do you think they will be: Chinese Cities, Other Countries or what.....

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by brian1234

Just to clarify, I am not an IDN sceptic - far from it.
I am concerned, however, about the recent 'market'
in idn.com, where such names have (reportedly) been
selling for several thousand dollars a piece.

I am well aware of the income/traffic/opportunity as
it concerns idn.com names, and that is why I hold
mainly idn.idn, as I believe this will ultimately be the
domain of choice in countries that want (and need)
idn.

I am also well aware of the mindset of the typical
domainer, and have a very hard time in believing
THAT... in the absence of an established market
they would pay such prices for domains that are
absolutely unproven, generate little to no traffic
and cannot really be considered desirable even
from a purely speculative viewpoint.

Well with the possible exception of China, there is no distinction between IDN.com and IDN.IDN. If you are speculating in the i-DNS versions rather than the Verisign version then I think you are taking a huge gamble. There is certainly no established market in those names, and frankly never likely to be.
As you say most domainers are very conservative and they are unlikely to accept anything that is not ICANN approved. ICANN are hardly likely to junk their main revenue source which is dot come in favour of some Wanabee extensions.

Speculation, by its very nature means moving way ahead of the pack and very often on sparse or very sketchy information. If you want a to be sold an investment with a track record and proof of earnings potential, then you just aren't a speculator. You may be an astute investor, but your profits are going to be limited to normal venture capital returns, i.e. 10 to 50% per annum. If you wish to become a millionaire overnight, then you have to go for a much higher level of return and hence uncertainty. The buyers in the secondary markets are paying thousands on the expectation of hundreds of thousands, if not more. They are generally fully aware of the risk, and often pretty cagey, but find the temptation of the potential rewards irrestistible.

The reasons for the lack of traffic are largely technical and in the process of being resolved. IDNers believe that very substantial traffic is imminent. You either speculate now or invest later. Both will bring substantial rewards, but the latter won't make you rich overnight.

Originally Posted by plato1

20 or 30 extensions? What do you think they will be: Chinese Cities, Other Countries or what.....

The Chinese have already created second level extensions for all the Provinces, which are about 26 in number. They have there own Government and Academic extensions as well as the non ICANN IDN.IDN. These will all have a role, but so will the established gTLDs.

[italiandragon]

Dave, I will really appreciate an answer to my questions if you can.
I`m trying to learn from you.

Thank you

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by italiandragon

That was one of my questions before I was banned last week for a joke of mines. Then that thread disappeared too I guess for mistake because I did not offend anyone or I hope so.

I was concerned about the fact that how come we are in 2006 and there is still plenty of IDN .com names? It seems that in the past years chinese and other people from IDN countries did not reg any......why?

Just last month I saw domain.net unregistered in chinese.....and now it is from someone but not me. I wonder HOW can a name like that being unregistered if that should be of so much worth.

I`m afraid it`s all hot hair because I can`t imagine how all this time chinese people did not reg them.

Opinions?

There is some confusion with Simplified and Traditional Chinese and Japanese.

Unless you actually try to register them, it can be difficult to tell whether they are registered or not. That is because Simplified and Traditional are considered similar to upper and lower cases and duplicate registration is now blocked at the registries. If the Simplified is showing available it is probably because the equivalent in Japanese or Traditional Characters is already taken. You will only know for certain if it is available once you attempt to register it. Not a good system I know.

There has been a massive amount of delay and confusion with IDN. Most of the domains I have dropped because the original registrants wrote off their investments. The change over from RACE to Puny Code and the decision by Network Solutions the original main registrar to discontinue support of IDNs caused much of the confusion. The original registrants either had to transfer their names or loose them.

I think you will find that in reality it is very difficult now to nail a Good Japanese or Chinese name. Even in Arabic and Russian most of the best terms have gone. There are still huge opportunities with Hindi, but that is because there is a general perception amongst domainers that Indians will only use English to access the Internet. I am heavily invested in these as I obviously don't share that view.

Apologies for delay

Dave

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

There is some confusion with Simplified and Traditional Chinese and Japanese.

Unless you actually try to register them, it can be difficult to tell whether they are registered or not. That is because Simplified and Traditional are considered similar to upper and lower cases and duplicate registration is now blocked at the registries. If the Simplified is showing available it is probably because the equivalent in Japanese or Traditional Characters is already taken. You will only know for certain if it is available once you attempt to register it. Not a good system I know.

There has been a massive amount of delay and confusion with IDN. Most of the domains I have dropped because the original registrants wrote off their investments. The change over from RACE to Puny Code and the decision by Network Solutions the original main registrar to discontinue support of IDNs caused much of the confusion. The original registrants either had to transfer their names or loose them.

I think you will find that in reality it is very difficult now to nail a Good Japanese or Chinese name. Even in Arabic and Russian most of the best terms have gone. There are still huge opportunities with Hindi, but that is because there is a general perception amongst domainers that Indians will only use English to access the Internet. I am heavily invested in these as I obviously don't share that view.

Apologies for delay

Dave

Thank you as always you are an IDN enciclopedia
Do not apologize, I thank you for your time and I wish you will be right about everything despite I still don`t own any IDN because you`re right I could not find any premium one.
Regarding India and Hindi I think that after I studied carefully the situacion, probably English will be the most used but Hindi will be used too from a part of Indians.
Thank you

[kiviniar]

sorry Rubber Duck.............we donot have Hindi keyboards....and because of the outsourcing hub.....wont get many in future

hey italiandragon, critic as always......like ur style

p.s.love critics

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by kiviniar

sorry Rubber Duck.............we donot have Hindi keyboards....and because of the outsourcing hub.....wont get many in future

hey italiandragon, critic as always......like ur style

p.s.love critics

I wouldn't count on it. No Hindi keyboard is going to be exclusively Davengari characters. English will always be an option on just about any keyboard. Keyboards are cheap and the only real difference is the Software Driver and the markings on the keys. They are working on keyboard for India that will support 12 major scripts and display them on LCDs on the keyboard. This means that anyone will be able use any computer in the most used Indic scripts.

[kiviniar]

then again that would be for the rural masses...........

most in the cities donot even know how to write hindi.......sorry to say that includes me (awful spelling mistakes)

your best bet would be to target on ngo or government market....

some commercial will set shops but then there could be TM issue with them.

and thanks man u just gave me an idea......