The Great .EU fraud begins... - DNForum - Domain Sales, Domain Forum, Domain Appraisals, Domain Registrars

**mole** · 12-11-2005, 07:10 AM

Five years ago, .INFO was subject to fraud speculation and never really recovered till this day. History repeats itself, perhaps this time in a more advanced, calculated way;

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Ron Jackson, editor of Domain Name Journal, said: "Professional speculators have filed thousands of false trademarks on names like bank and casino. The prices on those could be phenomenal. This has happened every time this has been rolled out. It happened on .info and it still hasn't been corrected."

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/52253.html

To check whois of fraudsters applying using contrived legal loopholes, you can use http://www.whois.eu

**stuff** · 12-11-2005, 07:16 AM

Yes looks like this sunrise is a BIG JOKE!!!
Really don`t get it why is it necessary ???
Why could they simply not open the registry for everyone

**Bramiozo** · 12-11-2005, 11:11 AM

A big mystery for me to, how many candidates were there for sex.eu ??

What idiot comes with the bright idea to open up general keywords for registration based on trademarks, any fool knows that udrp's on general keywords are not based on trademark issues because they simply can't exist.

What's more of a joke is the fact that anyone was able to put up a phony company to file a trademark application, at least put up some barriers !

**DNWizardX9** · 12-11-2005, 01:43 PM

yup .eu is a joke .tv bandwagon here we come

**Leading Names** · 12-11-2005, 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mole

Five years ago, .INFO was subject to fraud speculation and never really recovered till this day. History repeats itself, perhaps this time in a more advanced, calculated way;

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/52253.html

To check whois of fraudsters applying using contrived legal loopholes, you can use http://www.whois.eu

"Yellow Register On Line AB" seem to be first inline for just about every decent keyword going

At least no applications have been approved yet. I'm guessing if the name is obviously generic then the application(s) might be rejected?

- Rob

**DNWizardX9** · 12-11-2005, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Leading Names

"Yellow Register On Line AB" seem to be first inline for just about every decent keyword going

At least no applications have been approved yet. I'm guessing if the name is obviously generic then the application(s) might be rejected?

- Rob

according to Freddy@EuroDNS it stands..

**Fredo** · 12-11-2005, 05:33 PM

They should give the "-" for every "&" applied and those people would have a "Glas-gow.eu" or a "Par-is.eu" with no value... If Eurid allows them to own the major keywords, then it is an enormous FRAUD.

**actnow** · 12-12-2005, 08:43 PM

I don't understand why these registry companies don't learn by the mistakes of others.

Then, it was brought to my attention that you don't even need to be a registrar
to register names from them. All you need to do is give them $ 10,000.

I bet we will find out in a couple years that you probably could buy preferential
treatment. (I wonder what I mean by that????)

Banned: denny007 · 12-12-2005, 11:38 PM

What Eurid should do, there should be initial bidding for any name. The highest bid would get the domain. Potential trademark disputes could be done in WIPO-style later. Thats always problem if state/government do something what private sector should do. They could raise millions with auctions and use it for development of the internet...

**touchring** · 12-13-2005, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by denny007

What Eurid should do, there should be initial bidding for any name. The highest bid would get the domain. Potential trademark disputes could be done in WIPO-style later. Thats always problem if state/government do something what private sector should do. They could raise millions with auctions and use it for development of the internet...

Such bidding will be very risky. What if .EU ends up like .US, almost worthless for the next 2 years? Then those guys that bought at high prices will be stuck.

Banned: denny007 · 12-13-2005, 04:12 AM

Such bidding will be very risky. What if .EU ends up like .US, almost worthless for the next 2 years?

That would be biders problem, not Eurids...

**Rubber Duck** · 12-13-2005, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by touchring

Such bidding will be very risky. What if .EU ends up like .US, almost worthless for the next 2 years? Then those guys that bought at high prices will be stuck.

For these very reasons a speculator could not outbid an end-user, so justice would generally be done!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

**friday** · 12-13-2005, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dwrixon

For these very reasons a speculator could not outbid an end-user, so justice would generally be done!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

You are definitely on the wrong forum. Domainers, for the most part, are small businesses or individuals that have started out with very little, often, nothing other than having the foresight to register a good domain name. They are speculators, entrepreneurs, developers, risk takers all wrapped into one, but that is not a crime and speculation is certainly not a crime.

The very fact that the .com name space was such a huge success and allowed many individuals to start internet based businesses was the principle of first come, first served basis registration.

Your theory that justice is served when the highest bidder gets the domain is ridiculous. What we would see in that instance is a few large companies or very high net individuals owning the majority of the namespace in .eu.

What should have happened is what did happen with .com. The only difference is that the level of awareness is extremely high regarding domains today then it was back in the .com name space of the early nineties.

Eurid, being a registry, should have formulated a central database for all names requested from all registrars. Where there was more than one request for a domain a lottery should have been held. Every request should have a 1 year paid up subscription with their respective registrar that would cover the registry fees.
Any instance of trademark squatting could be dealth with on a case by case basis thru arbitration.

**Rubber Duck** · 12-13-2005, 09:03 AM

A lottery has some merit. But it would also have problems.

A substantial non-refundable fee would be required to prevent a deluge of applicants who could neither afford to buy everything they applied for or have the resources to properly develop the namespace.

Furthemore, a lottery would do nothing to protect those with legitimate vested interests.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

Banned: denny007 · 12-13-2005, 09:14 AM

Your theory that justice is served when the highest bidder gets the domain is ridiculous.

It's called "capitalism". It works, believe me. Not ridiculous at all.

**friday** · 12-13-2005, 07:14 PM

I am all for capitalism, I know all about it in the secondary market, it's a good thing.

But I am talking about the initial opening of virgin name space in the same way as .com back in the nineties, like .in in the year 2005. Eurid is a registry, they are entitled to their registry fee and in turn they should protect consumers and create equal rights for members of the EU regardless of ones disposable income or affiliation with Intellectual Property bods. As far as I am concerned this is a closed shop event for Intellectual Property holders, nobody else gets a look in.

Eurid has decided the Afilias .info Sunrise model farce is the way to go. I wonder why?

Banned: denny007 · 12-13-2005, 10:50 PM

But I am talking about the initial opening of virgin name space in the same way as .com back in the nineties

This is not the same situation. At the opening of the .com was not many people interested. So many great domains was unregged until 1995 or even later.

create equal rights for members of the EU regardless of ones disposable income

Sounds like communism to me. What else should EU grant regardless income - car ? House ? Also I disagree it should be only for EU members, as i.e. .us is open to anybody who do some business with the US.

or affiliation with Intellectual Property bods

This I agree. The TM problems should have been fixed after the auctions in WIPO-like style.

Eurid has decided the Afilias .info Sunrise model farce is the way to go. I wonder why?

Because Eurid is non-private bureaucrats with no fantasy and no balls. Same as whole EU administration and local governments. All governing should be in manager-style, not in politics-style.

**DomainTurn.com** · 12-14-2005, 02:59 AM

you guys are crazy.

The domain name industry is in fact fair right now.
There is always people that want something for nothing and will go to great height's to get what they want. Even if it's against all common practices.
It is fair when jonny 2cents can plunge on a domain name and hold it for a while and turn a nice profit. The real difference it the companies and buy
500 domain names to his one so they will profit 500 times more then jonny 2 cents. There was problems with the info space but they were fair and after a couple of years droped some quailty domain names that even the best companies could not get.Why can't anyone ever say there doing the best they can. I know they will be fair. You all act like news reporters.

dt

**movil** · 12-29-2005, 11:49 AM

I don't think it's a fraud all this about the .EU domains.
But it's right that they should learn the lesson of what happened when liberating another extesions. I think it's fair the first registrants should be legal brands, companies or individuals residents of the EU region.
There will be always people trying to do unethical speculation filling forms with companies that don't exist...but I'm sure they will be banned. I hope so.

**FreddyS** · 12-30-2005, 04:32 AM

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Originally Posted by movil

I don't think it's a fraud all this about the .EU domains.
But it's right that they should learn the lesson of what happened when liberating another extesions. I think it's fair the first registrants should be legal brands, companies or individuals residents of the EU region.
There will be always people trying to do unethical speculation filling forms with companies that don't exist...but I'm sure they will be banned. I hope so.

It is the Job of PWC to find the companies that don't exist. For that you pay the validation fee in the Sunrise. In few days we will see if it is working or not.

Freddy