LLLL.com's prices going down....?

**IBN** · 03-05-2008, 12:51 AM

Originally Posted by DOTCN

Finally, I finished reading the whole thread

Here are the 10 LLLL com you list here in this thread as the worst LLLL examples:
xjdq
xkwq
ZXQX
QKZZ
ZXWQ
zqqz
ZQXJ
ZQQK
ZQXK
YJXZ

and do you know how many end-users are using these LLLL's?

I have just checked them on .cn, .com.cn, .com and .net, and here are the end-user sites:
http://www.qkzz.cn/
http://www.yjxz.cn/
http://www.xjdq.com.cn/
http://qkzz.net/
http://www.zqxj.net/
http://www.zqxj.com/

Do you still think these LLLL are useless?

Originally Posted by tphelan

Good point. I have sold a few of the so called lower quality LLLL.com domains to people from asia. I didn't have to go find them either. They are out there in the marketplaces looking for these domains.

Those look like quality, non spammy sites also.

Originally Posted by italiandragon

One of the best posts of the year regarding this topic, thank you!

Perhaps in the near future and with more data......This directly changes the idea of premium & non-premium letters in a global market. If "premium" letters are based on the speculation of "end user" potential, brand-ability or acronym value. Any LLLL for that matter would be considered premium. Premium & NON-Premium related to what? My mind doesn't think of qkzz like I would for abcd or coco ect... but everybody's mind & society is not trained or thinks the same way so as also with the acronym potential, understanding and desire being far ranging and valuable as is shown to be the case above. Just a thought....

**GUA** · 03-05-2008, 07:33 AM

Lets see for sure if LLLL.com are going down.
Me being the risky guy I am have listed 44 LLLL.com in 4 auctions (4*11 names).
They are on sale in a 1 day auction! Only 12 hours left !
The current price is a few measly cents per name!

Lets see what really is happening to LLLL.com prices. At the moment we can safely say that if they end at this price LLLL.com have really died.

I however have faith in LLLL.com and think these can, and will get a good price. Lets see.

Tom

Lets see for sure if LLLL.com are going down.
Me being the risky guy I am have listed 44 LLLL.com in 4 auctions (4*11 names).
They are on sale in a 1 day auction! Only 12 hours left !
The current price is a few measly cents per name!

Lets see what really is happening to LLLL.com prices. At the moment we can safely say that if they end at this price LLLL.com have really died.

I however have faith in LLLL.com and think these can, and will get a good price. Lets see.

Tom

**italiandragon** · 03-05-2008, 08:47 AM

Ok guys, I`m going to make it easier for everyone and for both sides of this debate, I am posting all arguments with their answers regarding this matter in my last BLog post.

**DOTCN** · 03-05-2008, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by italiandragon

One of the best posts of the year regarding this topic, thank you!

Thank you

This post cost me $19.95 CAD (to upgrade my account here so that I could post ) It's a little bit expensive :(

**Acro** · 03-05-2008, 10:01 AM

Who coins these silly phrases, like "naysayers" and "triple premium"?

I invest in LLLL .com's, just not in the Klingon letter set. I am not a propagandist, if that's your forte.
And a LLLL .com is not premium unless all 4 letters are premium.

Incidentally, some advice: before you ride the LLLL .com bandwagon, buying left and right, do research the domains in pre-release (e.g. at Namejet) for trademark clashing @ USPTO.gov. You'd be surprised how many recent tm applications I've seen; once these go through, you can kiss that domain goodbye.

**italiandragon** · 03-05-2008, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Who coins these silly phrases, like "naysayers" and "triple premium"?

I invest in LLLL .com's, just not in the Klingon letter set. I am not a propagandist, if that's your forte.
And a LLLL .com is not premium unless all 4 letters are premium.

.

Ok, since some mod deleted the link to my Blogpost, here it is for you Acro:

We used to call it the World Wide Web. But March has started and the naysayers are not stopping their work. The more the LLLL.com prices go higher and the more the naysayers write no-sense posts around the Forums to cool down the market like the scammers were not hurting it enough.

The problem is that they keep saying the same things, over and over, despite the LLLL.com buy-out 4 months ago proved them already wrong.

And they call me a hyper but on the same level I could assume they simply do this to spread fear and buy these precious domains for little since they missed the right timing.

So let`s get together a few points again for our lovely nayasayers and let`s see if they really like to look like blinds.

- Naysayers argument 1: low quality /bad letters are not worth 1/26 of their similar LLL.com because we say so and we`ll never be able to explain why.

There is not such a thing called “crappy letters” or “low level letters”. As Italian for me, the words like SONY or NIKE would be hard to spell and would sound orrible if I did not know those Brands , but for an English person, I guess they sound fantastic. You should really travel in ASIA without any Travel guide and see/hear another culture, it may help your mind. I struggled several months when I left Italy and had to force myself to understand what these people were pronuncing.

I invite you to buy a Worldmap and count how many Countries are in the World and how many different languages exist.

What is “junk” for you may be gold for a Chinese:

After reading another “LLLL.com bashing thread”, a Chinese Domainer (AKA DOTCN on NamePros.com) found these useful examples:

“Here are the 10 LLLL com you list here in this thread as the worst LLLL examples:
xjdq
xkwq
ZXQX
QKZZ
ZXWQ
zqqz
ZQXJ
ZQQK
ZQXK
YJXZ

and do you know how many end-users are using these LLLL’s?

I have just checked them on .cn, .com.cn, .com and .net, and here are the end-user sites:
http://www.qkzz.cn/
http://www.yjxz.cn/
http://www.xjdq.com.cn/
http://qkzz.net/
http://www.zqxj.net/
http://www.zqxj.com/

Do you still think these LLLL are useless?”

Note: the examples were referring to a list of 10 randomly listed LLLL.com as the worst ones from an English/American point of view and out of 10 , AT LEAST 6 were found to be valuable for Chinese people.

And since many people around the world who don`t use English as their first language are ONLY NOW starting to use the Internet (and in some places not yet) there are more than likely many LLLL.com that may be wonderful for them.

Usa is just one country in the World and the more we go ahead the less it matters against 6 other Billions of WORLD WIDE CITIZENS.

This is also why I believe in the letters that americans see as “worst”.

Considering Chinese love Q-X-Y-Z and do not use or dislike A-E-I-O-U-V

Considering Italians love U-V and dislike J-K-X-Y-W

Considering Germans love Z-K-U-W

I think that some of the cheapest LLLL.com may offer the biggest ROI in the long term since what americans like was pretty much all taken long time ago, but the new cultures are and will be experiencing a sort of LANDRUSH for them. We are simply luckier enough to be here before them.

- Naysayers argument 2 : The fact there may be high traffic to some of these Chinese Letter LLLL.coms but Chinese traffic pays squat, 0.01 a click, most parking providers will block it if at possible, due to click bot fraud, It is just pure s**t traffic. To much click fraud behind it.

What is crap traffic now, may become good traffic for Chinese Parking companies when they will jump in this business. Things do change. Did you know that 500 years ago Silicon Valley was worthless?

- Naysayers argument 3 :

Average Chinese household income: $1300 (urban households…for rural it’s $300) Average American household income: $46,000 (yeah that’s about 35 times greater)

Do you really think no one else knew that Chinese or Indian people earn less than the US people?

But also: do you think that all americans buy domains or just a very little little little tiny elite does? If just 1 % of Americans were domainers, I think we would be discussing the 5 letters buyout.

And since China has more than 1,000,000,000 people compared to the 300,000,000 people of the USA , I`m confident to say that it does not take many large Chinese large companies or Millionaires to have the same impact. And while the US is declining , China is growing. India, Pakistan , Brasil too. Lots of other countries are growing too since they deal mainly with China, Japan and India.

- Naysayers argument 4 : Chinese, Russian, Japanese ,etc. people willuse IDN Domains so they will not need LLLL.com

Oh really? And so if international buyers/visitors want to see/understand that website of that big Chinese/Russian/Japanese/etc. company you are telling me that they will have to learn the other language or maybe…something like the companies will realise they need the .com for the rest of the World?

**Acro** · 03-05-2008, 12:32 PM

Your latest resort argument is now the population of China?

Have you actually sold any of these to the Chinese? Because they seem to love spamming my .com generics trying to sell me their .cn

I've made my 3-points loud and clear in this thread. You choose to act with peripheral vision blindness.

**DomainName** · 03-05-2008, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Your latest resort argument is now the population of China?

Have you actually sold any of these to the Chinese? Because they seem to love spamming my .com generics trying to sell me their .cn

I've made my 3-points loud and clear in this thread. You choose to act with peripheral vision blindness.

That's hilarious! I've received a lot of spam trying to sell me .cn as well! At first, I thought the person spamming wanted to purchase my LLLL, but then when reading the e-mail closer it was an offer to purchase their .cn for some obscene amount.

**GUA** · 03-05-2008, 05:00 PM

LOOKS Like the apparent Naysayers are the correct ones.
I am extremely dissapointed with my LLLL.com on ebay only reaching $35 each with 4 hours left!

Shameless plug: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZclowesyt
Come on LLLL bandies...

**gorilla_bob** · 03-06-2008, 03:32 PM

For the fun of it, I just did some simple math just out of curiosity.

We all know that there are 26x26x26x26 = 456,976 LLLL.com's in existance. That's almost around half a million combinations. From hearing some of the arguments, that number is just way to high to make a values of LLLL.com's sustainable.

I asked myself, how sustainable would it be to reg fee all these domain names each year at a cost of $8 per year. The answer is = $3,655,808. So in essence, if you controlled the entire LLLL.com market you would only need to pay $3.7 million per year to maintain this strangle hold.

I also did another number and wondered what would my portfolio be if i owned all LLLL.com's and each LLLL.com was worth $1000. I would have an asset of only $457 million. These numbers seem high, but when you put it into today's perspective where there are so many multi billionaires and large companies crank out billions of dollars like it was nothing than I don't think it's unrealistic for LLLL.com's to continue to go higher to even a $1000 average price tag.

My point is with the argument of sustainability, I think that the domain industry can easily sustain the current pricing of LLLL.com's and that they actually may be even undervalued.

Bob

**wikes82** · 03-06-2008, 11:06 PM

Today on ebay... LLLL.com under $50

ZQJF.COM - $41 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW:IT&ih=016

ZVFE.COM - $42
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW:IT&ih=016

OQZG.COM - $39
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW:IT&ih=016

FRQV.COM - $41
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW:IT&ih=016

OVQT.com - $43
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW:IT&ih=016

FHQZ.COM - $41
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW:IT&ih=016

btw, I won one domain for $40... on ebay, today.

**VTEC** · 03-07-2008, 04:16 AM

Originally Posted by wikes82

Today on ebay... LLLL.com under $50

ZQJF.COM - $41 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW:IT&ih=016

ZVFE.COM - $42
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW:IT&ih=016

OQZG.COM - $39
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW:IT&ih=016

FRQV.COM - $41
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW:IT&ih=016

OVQT.com - $43
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW:IT&ih=016

FHQZ.COM - $41
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEDW:IT&ih=016

btw, I won one domain for $40... on ebay, today.

Damn....people stop reading this post and start bidding higher

**Stian** · 03-07-2008, 04:35 AM

(Real) pronounceable, premium letter LLLL.com's will continue to rise in value I'm sure. Just wait and see.

**tristanperry** · 03-07-2008, 04:37 AM

LLLL.com prices have stalled at the moment, just like the domaining market overall.

If you want to sell, wait a while...

If you want to buy, go go go

**PRED** · 03-07-2008, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by tristanperry

LLLL.com prices have stalled at the moment, just like the domaining market overall.

If you want to sell, wait a while...

If you want to buy, go go go

agreed

congrats on a 1000 posts dude

**Reece** · 03-07-2008, 04:52 AM

Okay, so it finally happened... There are some really good deals on premium LLLL.coms at the moment... For anyone who missed out on the buyout, now's about the best time to pick some up before they go up again.

Making threads claiming LLLL.coms are crashing while simultaneously buying LLLL.coms (some people really need to read your latest blog post Acro about the woman who was really a man!)... Some people have no shame.

** NOTE: I am not talking about Acro here but a few of the others in this thread. You know who your are...

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Who coins these silly phrases, like "naysayers" and "triple premium"?

I invest in LLLL .com's, just not in the Klingon letter set. I am not a propagandist, if that's your forte.
And a LLLL .com is not premium unless all 4 letters are premium.

Incidentally, some advice: before you ride the LLLL .com bandwagon, buying left and right, do research the domains in pre-release (e.g. at Namejet) for trademark clashing @ USPTO.gov. You'd be surprised how many recent tm applications I've seen; once these go through, you can kiss that domain goodbye.

Not sure who coined naysayer, but I take full credit for popularizing the notion of the triple premium

Seeing as half my LLLL.coms fell into that category, don't you think it would be in best best interests to have convinced the masses of both what a triple premium was and why it was worth the premium it's now worth?

Bulk LLLL.com buying and selling has been going on since the pre-buyout days... When someone is buying 1000+ LLLL.coms off you, they don't have time to go through them one by one, looking at google frequency, acronym finders, scouting out potential endusers, etc. They need a quick and easy way to evaluate each name so that they can present you with a reasonable offer... Labelling LLLL.coms by category without any regard to factors such as google results, acronyms, and potential endusers, while certainly flawed, does have it's merits.

Most LLLL.coms with a single bad letter have considerably more potential endusers than LLLL.coms with 4 bad letters. Try a few out in Google and you'll find this to be quite true. For the statisticians out there, create yourself a random sample from the triple premium versus anti-premium LLLL.com population... Simple math suggests that a triple premium has better odds on average of finding an enduser than an LLLL.com devoid of premium letters.

It's no different than LLL.coms, really. There are some idiots out there who think any LLL.com is worth a certain price because it contains certain letters. In reality, many LLL.coms with U's and W's are considerably stronger than all premium LLL.coms containing F's and H's or (gasp!) an F and an H in the same LLL.com...