LLLL.com's prices going down....?

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by gooster

If you see what Acro, others and I are saying, it is that premiums will continue to go up. See who bid $2.5k - Reece. He recently sold off a bulk load of "bad" LLLLs and seems to now be investing in premiums. This is exactly what I would advise.

I know what Reece has done but you don`t know what I told him about that.

Let`s see those "bad" LLLLs in 2 years from now what they will be worth.

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Finally some logic.

italiandragon likes to play the game of impression but he conveniently forgets my 3-pointer posts.

Go back and read them.

Acro, seriously, I`m not playing any game , fold the US flag and come to reality:

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2008/10/...ires_Rank.html


USA is declining, other countries and their economies are emerging.

[pcproffenno]

Noone can predict the market, but all my logical senses tell me that LLLL.com's will be multipled in value in the next years. But then again, I might be wrong? Let's just wait and see, it'll be fun.

[Reece]

I'm big on quality myself and now have a dozen $XXXX LLLL.com purchases in my collection. I see a name like my recent acquisition of DDDO.com as being exponentially better than ZXQJ.com, the same goes for AAAS.com which I've place a bid on.

AAAS seems to be an excellent typo of AAA for starters, it can also stand for triple A's, Triple A-S, ... There's plenty of potential endusers for this one clearly and it has a very healthy Wordtracker.

I see DDDO as one of the best alternatives for an enduser that has the acronym DDD when DDD.com is clearly not available (already owned by an enduser).

Something like "DDD Online" makes sense to me. For that same reason, I've picked up some quad premiums ending in "I" which could stand for "LLL.com" Inc in example. I firmly believe that there's a safe way to invest in LLLL.coms (eg. what I'm now doing) and then there's a not so safe way.

Sure bad letter LLLL.coms may pay better long term, but considering the considerably greater risk you're taking... You better expect one hell of alot better of a return. A name like AAAS will forever have potential, regardless of what happens in the 4 letter market.. Something like ZXQJ may share a different fate imho.

One thing I'd like to point out too about that "1/26th the value of an LLL.com rule" that we see several people mentioning now... I ask you where else does this apply in the domain market.

Does a CVCVC fetch 1/26th of what a CVCV fetches? How about a VCVCV? An NNNN.com fetches more like 1/20th what an NNN.com fetches, not 1/10th.

Some things to consider when evaluating an LLLL.com:

1. Endusers
2. Likelihood of Future Endusers (eg. ability to create meaningful acronyms from the letters)
3. Traffic/Revenue
4. Brandability/Pronounceability

I've found that Estibot happens to do a surprisingly good job at telling you what non-pronounceable LLLL.coms are crap versus okay. Give it a try...

Talking about China, India, the future, etc are largely irrelevant imho... We can't predict the future just like how 99% of people didn't see this subprime crisis happening 5 years ago. If we can't predict what's going to happen 5 years from now, how the hell can we predict something 10, 20, 30 years away? How many people are interested in holding their LLLL.com for 10 years until some Chinese enduser comes along?

Regardless of what people want to believe, the U.S.A. still is "The World" when it comes to online dollars. I've sold more domains to American domainers than every other country in the world combined and I don't think I'm alone there...

If you start investing in names that not only Americans, but also Canadians, Europeans, etc don't like (eg, names like ZXQJ), you're limiting yourself largely to endusers from developing countries...

Nominal GDP per capita in China is about $2000 USD/year, about $1100 in India. There might be alot of people in both but there sure aren't alot of people that are going to spend $100+ on a name like ZXQJ when they can have ZXQJX for $7 and has about as much meaning to the rest of the world as ZXQJ ever had...

Triple premium LLLL.coms have a very bright future imho... You can make alot of meaningful acronyms out of a name with a single Q or Y, but start getting 2 or 3 crap letters like that in the same LLLL.com and most domainers will ask you wtf it could possibly stand for -- and rightfully so!

Will the rest largely be "domainer tokens"? I sure see them being that way for at least the forseeable future, with the odd enduser sale here and there. Perhaps there will be enough high dollar enduser sales (or hype) to push their prices higher, but I think it'll be a long time before even a meaningful percentage of names like ZXQJ find themselves in the hands of endusers.

I have to side with some of the veteran DNF'ers here... Quality is the way to go in this market. Long term, it's the only way to guarantee yourself you don't get bit in the ***.

[DomainBuyerBroker]

Anyone have a guess as to how many buyers and sellers of LLLL names are just that, buyers and sellers?

What percentage of LLLL are developed? What percentage are owned and used by a corporation?

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favor of speculation but I get the feeling (and I admit I'm more of an outsider when it comes to LLLL) that there is a VERY high percentage of LLLL names that are changing hands for $100 or less per name.

[SharonTucci]

Back in 2001, I picked up a lot of nice LLLL.com's. Mostly from Namewinner and most @ 30$ each. The lowest I sold any of them for was $800, the highest over @20k and an median selling price of $2k. All but one of the 2001 pickups was sold by mid-2005. I have continued to pick up LLLL.com's since and continued to see fairly decent returns. With a few exceptions, this is actually the highest profit segment of my portfolio. I have never paid more than high XX for any of them. With the exception of some I've sold via forums recently, all have been end user sales.

I am not saying this to contribute to the hype of LLLL.com's. But I do know that it has always been the easiest segment of my portfolio to get a nice return over the past 7 years. Most of these were acquired when domaining was something I didn't spend more than a couple of hours a week on because focusing on LLLL.com's was something that was easy to do and it is something that still remains affordable. To some extent, it is a segment of domaining that really is akin to buying a lottery ticket - other than being able to recognize what a good buy is.

Where I think a lot of people go wrong with LLLL.com's - and with domains in general - is that they take too much of a short-sighted approach in that they want to see 500%+ returns within 1 year. Yes, it IS doable but unless you are talking about a premium domain you get for peanuts, most solid returns are because of a willingness to be patient and hold out for solid $ from an end user.

[Yaadoo]

From what I've been seeing at dnf and namepros. LLLL.com have started to go back up slowly again.

[robmac]

there has been a steady hype about llll.com in the last year followed by a flurry of mostly domainers picking them up ( myself included ) in the last few months. As the market settles again and people stop flipping them to other domainers the price will rise again. but slowly i think......

[Yaadoo]

Crappy ones meaning like ones, with 2, 3 or 4 non premiums that are not pronciables. I think they will either increase really slowly, or maybe not at all.

For better ones like trip prems and quads, VCVC, CCVV, etc. Those ones I expect to see a faster increase. But of course I won't be expecting any madness like during the frenzy where prices jump 3-4 folds in a matter of 2-3 months.

Probably like a 75-100% increase in a time frame of 1 year.