LLLL.com's prices going down....?

[Dale Hubbard]

Look to the .uk space for better investments at realisable profits.

[DomainName]

Yeah ... and meant to say "by the end of 2008" rather than "2009" ... so even quite a bit more optimistic by a year there.

Another way you could look at it is that price for QVXZ.com (etc) might soon converge toward at least 1/30 of the price of QVX.com ...

But as far as "domainer tokens" go, I like to compare the "worst 45,000" LLLL.com (the last to go, regged between April and November 2007) with the 46,656 CCC.com - which have maybe similar prospects for finding end users, but have been consistently traded between domainers at low $xxx prices for some time now.

How many people predicted $xxx prices for CCC.com, by the way?

This is what I don't get...if you're so bullish on the LLLL market and will continue to increase in value then why do you have a thread titled "LLLL...firesale"????? May be a dumb question, but if I was optimistic then I defin. would NOT sell my names at "firesale" prices.

[GAMEFINEST]

crappy letter domains with no meaning or search results will level out, others will rise

[tinner666]

crappy letter domains with no meaning or search results will level out, others will rise

The nutshell answer!

[Dale Hubbard]

Ergo the silliness regarding XXXXX and XXXXXX .com/.net but there are still 'speculative investors'. Gawd 'elp us. (X=any wildcard).

[gorilla_bob]

As with anything... it is the manipulation of markets that dictate pricing. If we all wake up one day and everyone decides that LLLL.com's are worth $1000 each... you better believe that if someone sees an LLLL.com for $500 even if it is like xkwq.com then they will grab it.

As the LLLL.com's are being transfered from weak hands to strong hands...this path will eventually happen since stronger hands are more playing the buy and hold strategy...these are the ones that aren't looking to flip but are looking to accumlate enough LLLL's where they can eventually manipulate the market.

I also don't think that it is just a function of end-user sales...since if all LLLL's are of great value, an end-user would more likely be apt to pay higher prices knowing that it is a safer bet that they can resell the domain for an eqivalent or higher pricing in the future.

I've seen enough ridiculous realestate (realworld) transactions in the past few years to know that this is true. Haven't we all?

Bob

[Dale Hubbard]

You do understand that the 'flippers' are leading the blind and making the market?

[acesfull]

A few guidelines that I observe when I invest in the LLLL .com namespace:

2. Good letters or pronounceable (but not in Klingon)

There does seem to be a lot of Klingons using DNF.

[ebuzconsultant]

I don't see much potential in LLLL.coms

LLLL.coms - with Half Million Combinations

Most of Names are with Reseller

How Long Reseller can Hold LLLL.com, if he will have 500 names?

End User will never take Bulk LLLL.coms

If you have Good Generic, Product, Industry name, End user will approach you

Here End User will have lots of Options..

[Dale Hubbard]

I don't see much potential in LLLL.coms

LLLL.coms - with Half Million Combinations

Most of Names are with Reseller

How Long Reseller can Hold LLLL.com, if he will have 500 names?

End User will never take Bulk LLLL.coms

If you have Good Generic, Product, Industry name, End user will approach you

Here End User will have lots of Options..

Yes. Well, see above comment.

[DomainMagnate]

Some people have been spreading rumors about LLLL.com prices going down, so many want to sell quick, fearing it's true, that's why we do see some lower prices for now, but soon things will stabilize and prices keep rising.

Here are some more recent sales:

Today @SnapNames

bhjv.com $91.00
bkuw.com $101.00
byvy.com $122.00
eqqh.com $64.00
fhfx.com $80.00
fymj.com $64.00
kwwx.com $66.00
lcnh.com $300.00
lqzz.com $64.00
mksj.com $97.00
mtzz.com $70.00
nfvq.com $59.00
nfxe.com $65.00
nfxv.com $59.00
oxxq.com $64.00
ozxl.com $59.00
pybm.com $76.00
rxmz.com $65.00
twcz.com $64.00
txlk.com $64.00
tzmj.com $64.00
vszs.com $69.00
xjpw.com $75.00
ynow.com $550.00
ynrj.com $75.00
zzbu.com $86.00
bonp.com $600.00
kjwi.com $144.00
mjhg.com $126.00
pvub.com $124.00
tewt.com $229.00
elqy.com $71.00
gbeh.com $434.00
mctw.com $170.00
wiae.com $191.00




TDNAM 02/21/2008

ugcx.com $70 +10= $80
lfww.com $155 +10= $165
bpzp.com $72 +10= $82
wdvp.com $95 +10= $105
kdiu.com $75 +10= $85
zemx.com $85 +10= $95
xpxa.com $71 +10= $81
horj.com $131 +10= $141
pfzr.com $151 +10= $161



I agree with Acro that better quality LLLL's would give you better chance to find end users and more buyers.

Also agreed with filter's analysis about CCC.com. Imho ccc.coms have much less end user potential due to numbers, yet their prices are very stable and going up.

[Dale Hubbard]

Crazy with those x,q,z,x,z letters. However let market forces dictate...

[tristanperry]

crappy letter domains with no meaning or search results will level out, others will rise

Maybe so (I personally don't think so, though )

One thing I've never understood is... if the poor-quality part of the LLLL.com is doomed to failure, why isn't the poor-quality part of the LLL.com market failing? In fact, it's going along amazingly well.

Please, someone enlighten me

[gorilla_bob]

x,q,z letters are premium letters... just not in english. I predict one day not too far off LLLL.com's will be worth $1000+ a piece. I give it 5 years. That's when the next internet boom will happen.

As for now, please sell me all your LLLL.com's for $30...you know where to find me. If you truly believe LLLL.com market will topple than there is no reason to make a quick profit now. I for one would love to scoop up more LLLL.com's from the unbelievers.

Bob

[Acro]

Ah the NamePros elite is here to "pump you up!"

[tristanperry]

Ah the NamePros elite is here to "pump you up!"

So are you saying that real profit can't really be made from new 'ideas' (as in LLLL.com, L-L.com, NNNNN.com etc)?

Also I'd appreciate your input on the following:

One thing I've never understood is... if the poor-quality part of the LLLL.com is doomed to failure, why isn't the poor-quality part of the LLL.com market failing? In fact, it's going along amazingly well.

Please, someone enlighten me

[acesfull]

Is the Internet growing, with many more people and businesses coming online? Will people in non-US countries like some of the letters we consider "bad?" Are all LLLL.coms now registered? Are short dot-com names desirable? Is there a good chance very short domains will have more applications in the future? Are more domain speculators and investors looking to invest in short domains? Are new companies likely to want or need short domains for various reasons? Is dot-com king? Will LLLL.com names go up in value? Can you answer all of these questions with just one word?

[DomainMagnate]

Is the Internet growing, with many more people and businesses coming online? Will people in non-US countries like some of the letters we consider "bad?" Are all LLLL.coms now registered? Are short dot-com names desirable? Is there a good chance very short domains will have more applications in the future? Are more domain speculators and investors looking to invest in short domains? Are new companies likely to want or need short domains for various reasons? Is dot-com king? Will LLLL.com names go up in value? Can you answer all of these questions with just one word?

let me guess...the answer is

[filter]

This is what I don't get...if you're so bullish on the LLLL market and will continue to increase in value then why do you have a thread titled "LLLL...firesale"????? May be a dumb question, but if I was optimistic then I defin. would NOT sell my names at "firesale" prices.

Not even if you needed some money in a hurry (ie, to pay the rent last month) - oh and also to pay for some other LLLL.com names that I had comitted to purchase?) ??? Need for fast cash is what a "firesale" is (in my mind) - a tragic event for a seller, and a great deal for buyers - and that's probably why most people ever sell any at all at this stage in the market. (Though I know some people thought it peaked in December, then January, then February - and will be kicking themselves in March, then April, then May ...

By the way, I've still got more LLLL.com now than I did in November - and am hoping to have plenty more by this time next year. I'm looking at prices going way up (certainly not straight up, but in total very much up in a huge way) over the next 5 or 10 years ... may see a bubble form and pop in the meantime, but we're far from that stage. I'll be trading in and out of some of my holdings at several points along that timeline - for various reasons - but long term prediction is - as I've stated - prices for the "worst" LLLL.com will match CCC.com, and prices for most will be at least 1/30th of corresponding quality LLL.com ...

I put my predictions out 3 months ago, I put them out 2 months ago, and I'm putting them out again now. We can come back to them in another couple months, and then again this time next year, and a few years after that as well.

In the meantime, do you want to take a closer look at the arguments for prices of CCC.com vs. LLLL.com? I'd like to hear more new ideas about this angle, if anyone's got some intelligent perspective to offer.

(And - one more time ... Can anyone tell me who predicted prices of CCC.com would ever get to be where they're at right now? No one posting in this thread guessed right about those back in the day...?)

[Devil Dog]

Is the Internet growing, with many more people and businesses coming online? Will people in non-US countries like some of the letters we consider "bad?" Are all LLLL.coms now registered? Are short dot-com names desirable? Is there a good chance very short domains will have more applications in the future? Are more domain speculators and investors looking to invest in short domains? Are new companies likely to want or need short domains for various reasons? Is dot-com king? Will LLLL.com names go up in value? Can you answer all of these questions with just one word?

idunno