LLLL.com's prices going down....?

[RCK]

Love to see you guys discuss, but I like to keep things simple.

As long as I am making money and as long as I don't hurt people with domaining, it's all good to me, whether it's a investing in a hype as LLLL.com or not...

[domaingenius]

Talking of 4 letter domains, what about that lucky, lucky guy who regged zune.com
many years ago and sold it recently to Microsoft !.How much he paid has not become public ,yet.

DG

[AngelDomains]

I have a number of 4 character .com domain names that I may sell for the right price, most of them are:

meNN.com (NN are numbers!)

PM me if interested.

[dcristo]

Next wave... LL-L.coms & L-LL.coms - the boat is leaving soon, don't miss that one too !

I hope your kidding.

[Stian]

I think the whole domain market is down right now

I think the domaining market will explode in 2008 and the years to come. Even the Norwegian financial newspaper 'Dagens Næringsliv' had an article on Frank Schilling here the other day .. I think we will see investors, previously from the stock market, now approaching the domain industry looking for new internet investments. More buyers, more sellers, more people who wants to get in on the good names. I think 2008 will be a great year for domainers.

[VTEC]

I think the domaining market will explode in 2008 and the years to come. Even the Norwegian financial newspaper 'Dagens Næringsliv' had an article on Frank Schillinger here the other day .. I think we will see investors, previously from the stock market, now approaching the domain industry looking for new internet investments. More buyers, more sellers, more people who wants to get in on the good names. I think 2008 will be a great year for domainers.

There you go

Let's just leave this post for now and get back to this in 6-10 months time

[gingeman]

I think the whole domain market is down right now

the massive scramble over LLLL.coms in the last few months has had a negative knock-on across the industry. Many newbies and small time investors see them as a safer investment than many better names for the money, as they appear more easily liquidated when times are hard, and they can spread their risk across several names rather than one LLL.com or .net This has diverted a huge amount of the smaller and newer investors away from other reseller-driven markets in the domain industry. I am sure the LLLL.com price rise will slow down as we see some of these investors try to sell fast in the coming months.

[Acro]

I'll take your challenge!

LLLL.com for $30 ??? Each ????


Do you have them for sale, or should I jump into my time machine!

Again, you missed the point my friend.

Not sure about a time machine but you need some common sense that you can't buy at your local 7/11.

The point is, LLLL .com's drop daily. But you choose to pick the crumbs, I choose to pick the croissants. So if you want a buttload of crumbs, there are plenty of people out there that picked them up in the first place, after being told the counter was running out. You can now give them some run for their money.

[italiandragon]

I scan all LLLL.com every 15 days and the drops are decreasing faster than expected.

The all premiums (defined by americans in the past and we are heading in a chinese internet era soon...) are dropping like 10 each 2 months and decreasing.

Snapnames, Pool and NameJet have backordered pretty much almost all of them including the worst ones.

Acroplex: you are a source of knowledge and I do respect you for that but we are not longer in the 1990s , it`s about time old style domainers (or pioneers maybe we should say?) evolve in the evolving internet or by simply chasing the 4 letter dictionary with 10,000 OVT with ext will let you waiting forever...

[Acro]

it`s about time old style domainers (or pioneers maybe we should say?) evolve in the evolving internet or by simply chasing the 4 letter dictionary with 10,000 OVT with ext will let you waiting forever...

So your advice is to a) discount experience and b) buy faux earrings because diamonds are expensive?

I am not against LLLL .com's. I own several myself. The idea is to be selective about what you invest it.

[kylewill]

I'd rather let the domainers sort through the garbage, and pay a premium for an LLLL.com on resale auction than spend hours digging and trying to find a deal (that wont happen due to the premiums being featured) on the drop.

In other words.. I'd rather overpay on a CVCV now that has unquestionable value than buy QKZZ.com for $30. If you can find an end-user, more power to you.

There is nothing new with LLLL's, there is garbage and there is quality, then there is high quality.

As far as random letters go that represent acronyms (non-pronouncables)... lets say, CRL.com and CRLP.com (random letters i chose), going from LLL to LLLL will reduce the number of end-users out there. I realize it all comes down to finding that one right buyer, but it is a numbers game. Hypothetically though, since LLLL's are much cheaper than LLL's, you could own many more of them and should be able to increase your monthly end-user offer intake.

[italiandragon]

So your advice is to a) discount experience and b) buy faux earrings because diamonds are expensive?

I am not against LLLL .com's. I own several myself. The idea is to be selective about what you invest it.

I know you are not against LLLL .com`s otherwise you`d have already criticised openly my blog since I know you read it

And I agree on that:

first you buy the diamonds, then if there are no diamonds left what do you do?

And also, for every person financially able to buy diamonds there are many others that can`t afford them so they buy the next best thing.

It happened with any sort of thing.

In the real estate, first they buy the CBD , then the suburbs and then eventually around the suburbs till the country.

The risk is spread more or less everywhere, no one can guarantee that your nice dictionary four or even 3 letter .com will keep rising in value forever.

The story is pretty simple:

in 1990 there were no domainers

in 1996 there were a few called dumb to pay for domain names such COLD.com or TRAVEL.com

in 2000 - 2003 there were hundreds of them chasing what was left and they started to register all 3 letters .com (I`m sure you remember nayasayers at those times too? I was not dealing with this at that time unfortunately, I was dealing with stocks)

in 2007 there were thousands of domainers and some of them regged all of the LAST 30,000 LLLL.com (check dyyo.com , you can`t really go around saying 456K LLLL.com.....as many are developed)

in 2008 there are even more people starting in this market

in 2010 ?

in 2020 ?

in 2030 ?

We don`t know. Any investment has a risk and any investment is a bet. Bonds too. ( Argentina`Bonds docet)

[rkbdomain]

in 2007 there were thousands of domainers and some of them regged all of the LAST 30,000 LLLL.com (check dyyo.com , you can`t really go around saying 456K LLLL.com.....as many are developed)

True. Based on a random sample of 100 LLLL.com domains, I found that about 25% of LLLL.com's are already developed sites, so that means there are about 300k that are floating around waiting for an end-user. But looking closely at the numbers it seems that a significant portion of the developed sites are Chinese domains, a fast-growing market which suggests that LLLL.com end-user potential will continue to have good prospects.

[Acro]

I know you are not against LLLL .com`s otherwise you`d have already criticised openly my blog

I don't criticize blogs; people can write whatever they want in their own space (I do too). But in an open forum opinions are less important and facts should be stated, after all, it's a source of information that affects sales and the formation of trends (e.g. At NamePros, .mobi is the king).

True. Based on a random sample of 100 LLLL.com domains, I found that about 25% of LLLL.com's are already developed sites,

Your sample, however random it might be, is too small (out of half a million combinations) to be a significant indicator of trends. You need to poll at least 10% of the total namespace to interpret data scientifically. Furthermore, the sample should somehow include old AND new registrations, taking into account the fact that the largest portion of the new registrations are simply for speculation and flipping and not for development.

[DomainName]

Your sample, however random it might be, is too small (out of half a million combinations) to be a significant indicator of trends. You need to poll at least 10% of the total namespace to interpret data scientifically. Furthermore, the sample should somehow include old AND new registrations, taking into account the fact that the largest portion of the new registrations are simply for speculation and flipping and not for development.

Agreed with Acro...your sample size is too small. Also, out of the 100 that you tested what were the reg dates?? I'm sure if you tested newly reg'd LLLL.com your outcome will be different.

[rkbdomain]

Your sample, however random it might be, is too small (out of half a million combinations) to be a significant indicator of trends. You need to poll at least 10% of the total namespace to interpret data scientifically. Furthermore, the sample should somehow include old AND new registrations, taking into account the fact that the largest portion of the new registrations are simply for speculation and flipping and not for development.

Fair point. With a random sample of 100, the margin of error is a little less than 10% at a 95% confidence level. Not great, but not terrible either. I will need to do a few more random scans to come up with a lower margin of error. But I still think the data is interesting, and shows that a significant portion of the LLLL's and NNNNN's are being developed in the Chinese market. I doubt that basic conclusion will change after more scans.

[kamil]

It seems that a significant portion of the developed sites are Chinese domains, a fast-growing market which suggests that LLLL.com end-user potential will continue to have good prospects.

I am not chinese but somehow I managed to register on domain.cn and posted 2 of my LLLL.Coms in their marketplace, I got two serious offers of 350 Yuan each for my both domains seperately and I think 350 Yuan is about $50 , link to one of my domain
http://domain.cn/club/viewthread.php...extra=page%3D1

I am using Google translator and Noticed a lot of interest in four letter domains in chinese marketplace.
http://domain.cn/club/viewthread.php...extra=page%3D1

[PRED]

I am not chinese but somehow I managed to register on domain.cn and posted 2 of my LLLL.Coms in their marketplace, I got two serious offers of 350 Yuan each for my both domains seperately and I think 350 Yuan is about $50 , link to one of my domain
http://domain.cn/club/viewthread.php...extra=page%3D1

I am using Google translator and Noticed a lot of interest in four letter domains in chinese marketplace.
http://domain.cn/club/viewthread.php...extra=page%3D1

not surprised, read on np, all LLLL.com.cn just sold out

[kamil]

not surprised, read on np, all LLLL.com.cn just sold out

Yep, Let your ugly LLLL.Com drop and chinamen will pick it up happily for regfee

[domainstand]

Again, you missed the point my friend.

Not sure about a time machine but you need some common sense that you can't buy at your local 7/11.

The point is, LLLL .com's drop daily. But you choose to pick the crumbs, I choose to pick the croissants. So if you want a buttload of crumbs, there are plenty of people out there that picked them up in the first place, after being told the counter was running out. You can now give them some run for their money.

Your food analogies are getting me hungry! Are you also a spokesperson for 7/11 ? lol

LLLL.com's drop daily? Are you kidding??? Tell me how to get one!

Maybe you are the guy bidding on them at snapnames for $100+ !

BTW.... LLL.com's still drop also...What's your Point?

Acro, let's get real for a minute. I am talking about TODAY's market !

People are still buying .coms for Investment... It doesn't matter if it's diamonds, silver, gold or cow chips.

LLLL.coms are still a great buying opportunity! even compared to LLL.com's

Example:

Let's say I buy a non premium LLL.com TODAY for INVESTMENT from you for 8k.

Would you say it will be worth $12,000 next year ? I doubt it. I would say

maybe $10,000 if we are lucky. Profit potential is maybe $3k - 4k


If I take the same 8K investment and buy 177 non premium LLLL.com's for $45 each, and they only go up to a very realistic $75 in a year, I will make $5000 + If they go up to my predicted $100 each, that's nearly $10,000 profit.

It's a numbers game, buy low sell high... LLLL.coms are a "BUY" right now.

The numbers still work out
for a good profit potential, isn't that the Bottom Line? So what's your beef anyway?