LLLL.com's prices going down....?

**Acro** · 02-28-2008, 09:41 AM

NamePros is the ultimate bazaar for LLLL .com's (and .mobi domains for that matter).

Prices go up when you consider one trader sells it to another and needs to make some profit.

Do I need to make my points bolder?

1. Buy quality letters
2. Buy old domains
3. Buy domains with Google results

These, will appreciate and actually have done so. I've seen several reseller-to-reseller sales that exceed the $1,000 mark or even higher. These are for domains that fit all 3 points above.

**rkbdomain** · 02-28-2008, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by Michael_Goldman

Based on recent sales from the LLLL thread in NP prices seem stable and going up slightly.

Welcome back Michael, hope you had a good vacation! Anyways, I think you're right, I don't know where all these LLLL's are doomed threads are coming from.

**tristanperry** · 02-28-2008, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

1. Buy quality letters

You still haven't explained why this 'rule' doesn't apply to LLL.com domains?

**kwok** · 02-28-2008, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by tristanperry

You still haven't explained why this 'rule' doesn't apply to LLL.com domains?

It actually does. There are low quality LLL selling below wholesale price at the moment. Can't tell you the names, because I am considering buying.

**RCK** · 02-28-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

NamePros is the ultimate bazaar for LLLL .com's (and .mobi domains for that matter).

Prices go up when you consider one trader sells it to another and needs to make some profit.

Do I need to make my points bolder?

1. Buy quality letters
2. Buy old domains
3. Buy domains with Google results

These, will appreciate and actually have done so. I've seen several reseller-to-reseller sales that exceed the $1,000 mark or even higher. These are for domains that fit all 3 points above.

I think your points are bold enough now.

**Acro** · 02-28-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by tristanperry

You still haven't explained why this 'rule' doesn't apply to LLL.com domains?

It's called "Factor 26" - the number of times LLL .com's are rarer.

**kylewill** · 02-28-2008, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by tristanperry

You still haven't explained why this 'rule' doesn't apply to LLL.com domains?

It is also called... more companies in existence who can immediately use an LLL vs. an LLLL. It is all about finding that one end-user, but there is a much MUCH higher % of potential sales from a great LLL vs. a great LLLL.

**PRED** · 02-28-2008, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

It's called "Factor 26"

Thats what Prince Harry is using in Afghanistan to stop his fair skin and ginger 'bonce' from sunburn

**tristanperry** · 02-28-2008, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

It's called "Factor 26" - the number of times LLL .com's are rarer.

Ahh.... so LLLL.coms will only ever reach 1/26th of LLL.com prices?

AMAZING news for me

That means the minimum my bad LLLL.coms will be worth is $250?

**Acro** · 02-28-2008, 05:15 PM

I've made my points clear, Tristan. You're flaunting AMMS.com - that's a great 4-letter .com. It's worth at least $1.5k and that's not due to any trend but due to its quality letters and easy pronunciation.

There are a couple of articles at my blog with regards to LLLL(L).com's and an interview with Telepathy Inc - holders of a large LLL .com portfolio. Happy reading.

**Thomas Nash** · 02-28-2008, 05:26 PM

Originally Posted by PREDATOR

Thats what Prince Harry is using in Afghanistan to stop his fair skin and ginger 'bonce' from sunburn

Nah us ginges need much higher than Factor 26! We look like lobster with anything less than factor 40.

Regarding LLLL.coms: Get good letters with good acronyms with possibilities of end-users or Brandable 4 letter.coms and you'll most probably be quids in. Buy crap and well, imo, you probably won't.

**tristanperry** · 02-28-2008, 05:51 PM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

I've made my points clear, Tristan. You're flaunting AMMS.com - that's a great 4-letter .com. It's worth at least $1.5k and that's not due to any trend but due to its quality letters and easy pronunciation.

There are a couple of articles at my blog with regards to LLLL(L).com's and an interview with Telepathy Inc - holders of a large LLL .com portfolio. Happy reading.

I haven't read your outside articles, although I was/am still left a bit confused about your views that LLL.coms and LLLL.coms aren't related in any way.

And I'm not flaunting Amms.com at all. Please, please let me know where I mentioned that in a flaunting way? (In fact, have I mentioned it anywhere, ever, not in an appraisals thread?)

EDIT: I just ready the article in your blog regarding this (and I wouldn't agree with Telepathy that LLLL.coms have poor supply and demand, hence I'm discounting that for now). Again, whilst it's true that there are 26 times more LLLL.coms than their big brother, I still think it's impossible to say that LLLL.coms are a bubble, and LLL.coms are not.

Either both will burst (for the same reason - i.e. that poor quality letters aren't actually desired) or neither will. There's no differential other than the number of permutations. Right?

**PRED** · 02-28-2008, 06:18 PM

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**OSHQdotCOM** · 02-28-2008, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by Acroplex

I've made my points clear, Tristan. You're flaunting AMMS.com - that's a great 4-letter .com. It's worth at least $1.5k and that's not due to any trend but due to its quality letters and easy pronunciation.

There are a couple of articles at my blog with regards to LLLL(L).com's and an interview with Telepathy Inc - holders of a large LLL .com portfolio. Happy reading.

Wow so you're basing your entire argument on one speculator's viewpoint (Telepathy Inc.).

**Acro** · 02-28-2008, 06:49 PM

Did you read my points or are you here to impress us with your obsession about LLLL .com's ?

**OSHQdotCOM** · 02-28-2008, 06:55 PM

I read your entire blog and find it rather obtuse (especially your interview). We could argue for the next 3 months, but let the facts talk for themselves.

**Acro** · 02-28-2008, 07:18 PM

Well, sorry to hear that you didn't find the answers you hoped for.

**planoali** · 02-28-2008, 08:03 PM

It's called "Factor 26" - the number of times LLL .com's are rarer.

The same thing was said when LLL.com's were bought out and look at xqz.com today. The fact is that a lot more businesses and people are online now than back than so you have to apply that when saying they're is 26x more LLLL.com's than LLL.com. Also a lot of the bad letters are considered premium letters by chinese speakers who are starting to come online now. And the main reason why any LLLL.com will continue to be a asset is that most of them are either developed or bought out by large investors who won't sell them cheap.

**Acro** · 02-28-2008, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by planoali

The same thing was said when LLL.com's were bought out and look at xqz.com today.

Ok, so the flawed logic continues: gold went up so copper will go up too. But you forget that copper jewelry gets some nasty patina.

Originally Posted by planoali

The fact is that a lot more businesses and people are online now than back than so you have to apply that when saying they're is 26x more LLLL.com's than LLL.com.

Yes, let's not forget that businesses follow the WXYZ permutations on purpose because ABCD is taken. LOL The fact is, companies CONTINUE to brand themselves after letters that sound, look or are proven to be better.

Originally Posted by planoali

Also a lot of the bad letters are considered premium letters by chinese speakers who are starting to come online now.

I get a lot of "premium" offers from .CN owners that want to sell me the .CN equivalent of the generic com/net/org keywords that I own. China does not need 4-letter .com's unless your last name is Wang.

Originally Posted by planoali

And the main reason why any LLLL.com will continue to be a asset is that most of them are either developed or bought out by large investors who won't sell them cheap.

Two assumptions with no data. What does "most of them" mean? Out of 1/2 million names how many are developed? Definitely NOT the thousands that were scooped up in an attempt to "finish off" the remaining combos and create an artificial need for 4-letter .com's. And I can assure you, when renewal time comes, the most sane move is to drop a few thousand domains and take a loss, than to renew trying to locate Xan Qwe Poo Jang Limited to sell to.

**gorilla_bob** · 02-29-2008, 01:54 AM

I'm not sure why there is a debate here. To me it seems quite mute putting logic to a market frenzy. Right now LLLL.com's are hot. You see that by just looking at the prices. Sometimes there is no amount of logic or reasoning that can explain market prices. That's just the nature of the beast. The market will move whether you like it or not.

Now for the good part, I do agree that there are some types of LLLL.com's that will increase more and cost more than crap LLLL.com's. But if we look towards what has happened to the LLL.com market, there is still value in buying crap. I'm willing to hedge my bets to buy both kinds... and I think that goes the same for all of us.

I'll let you all get back to what you were doing while i go find out more ways carve my nitches in the domain industry.

Oh and btw, please check out my website: www.freshdrop.net ... I think you will like it.

- Bob