LLLL.com's prices going down....?

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

And I can assure you, when renewal time comes, the most sane move is to drop a few thousand domains and take a loss, than to renew trying to locate Xan Qwe Poo Jang Limited to sell to.

That`s a statement I`m going to associate to you forever.

Someone stated that in 2006 when Adam Dicker regged 4000 of them. Did he drop them? Nope.

Wait the drops, you`ll end biting the keyboard.

LLL.com factor 26? Sure, that`s why QXZ.com costs $7,000 and QXZO.com is costing only $250......actually only $50, so big bargain still for the smart ones.

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[Acro]

Originally Posted by italiandragon

That`s a statement I`m going to associate to you forever.

Someone stated that in 2006 when Adam Dicker regged 4000 of them. Did he drop them? Nope.

Wait the drops, you`ll end biting the keyboard.

LLL.com factor 26? Sure, that`s why QXZ.com costs $7,000 and QXZO.com is costing only $250......actually only $50, so big bargain still for the smart ones.

If you simply want to exchange "niceties" and dramatic one-liners, I haven't even tried to open up the domain whoopass can yet

If you want to rebut my points, do so by quoting numbers; set your focus outside this very thread, much like the .mobi fanbois should do outside their narrow-vision universe.

The funny thing is, when you 4-letter pushers are trying to swap qjcj's for $25 profit, I am indeed getting the drops at $200 - $300. But as I stated before in bold letters - which in all your fanboi fury totally missed - I cherry-pick the ones that are worthy of my investment (old undropped, good letters, with Google results, with worthy acronyms) - while you max out your bids at namejet trying to grab them cheap by making $69 offers

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

If you simply want to exchange "niceties" and dramatic one-liners, I haven't even tried to open up the domain whoopass can yet

If you want to rebut my points, do so by quoting numbers; set your focus outside this very thread, much like the .mobi fanbois should do outside their narrow-vision universe.

The funny thing is, when you 4-letter pushers are trying to swap qjcj's for $25 profit, I am indeed getting the drops at $200 - $300. But as I stated before in bold letters - which in all your fanboi fury totally missed - I cherry-pick the ones that are worthy of my investment (old undropped, good letters, with Google results, with worthy acronyms) - while you max out your bids at namejet trying to grab them cheap by making $69 offers

oh yeah sure.....you know , comparing .mobi with LLLL.com is kind of disgusting now, was not the motto ".com is king" when used against .mobi ? And now you want to use this mixed stuff? It makes no sense. If you want to compare .mobi with .com than we should do it all the time.

And to raise my point, your additional statement that you posted here:

http://www.dnforum.com/f426/unload-y...ad-280290.html

brings the minimun value of LLLL.com nearly $400 in a year if the worst LLL.com will reach $10,000 as I agree it will.

You say you cheerypick your LLLL.com ? Oh I`m sure you do, I do that too but sometimes I`m happy with a fruit salad too , not only mangoes and pineapples like CLFO.com , so I may just get a bunch of mixed quality LLLL.com like OZUE.com

I though you were Greek , but it seems you reason like a small minded american that is stuck in 2000-2003 time.

There are so many languages out there that I don`t even know how many, but just in my PC , I had to install 5 different keyboard layouts to cover some of them. I don`t know Greek but I know that in Italy a U or a V is a premium letter, in Germany the Z is Premium , in China A,E,I,O,U,V are not Good letters......

And regarding your argument on how many LLLL.com are developed: I`m going to let you know since it was one of the things I was dealing with a group of other members.

Just a question for you: do you think that a random not pronunciable acronym like

IMDB

had type-in before the IMDB.com site came up?

[gooster]

I'm going to step in here and say that although I don't agree that all LLLLs will drop: the price will a) fall (which we are already starting to see for bad combinations) or b) remain the same. The only reason for the increase in price is Demand > Supply. Therefore, there will come a point when demand will start to fall (think it may already have reached that point) due to people realising that all they are doing is selling to resellers (much less end user potential). This is, of course, based at ZQXJ.com type domains. There is a simple reason for premium LLLLs and CVCV.com domains to increase in value; end users.

Why do people pay so much for LLLs? End users and a stable reseller market. LLLLs? Sure, you can do the whole divide by 26 chat but, to be honest, this is siginificantly flawed because you have to virtually take the possibility of that $xx,xxx/$xxx,xxx sale out of the equation.

The example of IMDB is exactly what I mean about premium LLLL combos still being a good investment (premium = good acronyms = good sale).

I think you will find the reason this thread started off as a harmless statement to an 8 page feud is that people are worried this demand will fall and are thus keeping it up with hype. To have to defend a domain is a sign of many potential reasons you shouldn't own it.

To add, I own a significant number of these (mainly premium) so I am not simply bashing an investment I was too late to join in on. Best of luck to all!

[Acro]

Originally Posted by italiandragon

oh yeah sure.....you know , comparing .mobi with LLLL.com is kind of disgusting now, was not the motto ".com is king" when used against .mobi ? And now you want to use this mixed stuff? It makes no sense. If you want to compare .mobi with .com than we should do it all the time.

And to raise my point, your additional statement that you posted here:

http://www.dnforum.com/f426/unload-y...ad-280290.html

brings the minimun value of LLLL.com nearly $400 in a year if the worst LLL.com will reach $10,000 as I agree it will.

You say you cheerypick your LLLL.com ? Oh I`m sure you do, I do that too but sometimes I`m happy with a fruit salad too , not only mangoes and pineapples like CLFO.com , so I may just get a bunch of mixed quality LLLL.com like OZUE.com

I though you were Greek , but it seems you reason like a small minded american that is stuck in 2000-2003 time.

There are so many languages out there that I don`t even know how many, but just in my PC , I had to install 5 different keyboard layouts to cover some of them. I don`t know Greek but I know that in Italy a U or a V is a premium letter, in Germany the Z is Premium , in China A,E,I,O,U,V are not Good letters......

And regarding your argument on how many LLLL.com are developed: I`m going to let you know since it was one of the things I was dealing with a group of other members.

Just a question for you: do you think that a random not pronunciable acronym like

IMDB

had type-in before the IMDB.com site came up?

What is disgusting is you being unable to shake off the universal platform attitude for 4+ letter .com's.

My 3-pointer still stands:

1. Old domains
2. Good letters
3. With Google results & existing acronyms.

I thought you were Italian but it seems you're one more Aussie stuck in the Outback.

[kylewill]

Originally Posted by gooster

To have to defend a domain is a sign of many potential reasons you shouldn't own it.

Ding ding ding.

This isn't 2000 or 2001, where debates were happening over LLL because the industry was still being defined and new. The same logic for LLL's is applied to LLLL's. We aren't noobs here, this is an old debate. Want to debate something useful, debate .mobis. That is something NEW. There is NOTHING new with LLLL vs. LLL.

No one is debating letters like IMDB, so bringing that up as an example is unfair to those criticizing the LLLL market.

No matter what the acronym is, if you can't come up with hypothetical on your own, AND your Google research yields no hypothetical... there is going to be problems with your domain. End of story.

There is NO difference between LLL and LLLL's. The difference has always been between quality and non-quality. I get the feeling that many of the people defending the ZQQK domains don't have a lot of experience with end-users and clients. I get the sense that they are thinking of domainer-domainer and 'wholesale' costs going up in time. That the goal is "well, the minimum value will go up faster than the annual reg fee, so its a good buy".

Well if you have that mentality, you better hope there are more newbies joining the domain business than there are current domainers becoming 'experienced/experts' in their field. Cause I personally, wouldn't touch ZQXK with a 10 foot pole.

[rkbdomain]

Originally Posted by kylewill

Ding ding ding.

This isn't 2000 or 2001, where debates were happening over LLL because the industry was still being defined and new. The same logic for LLL's is applied to LLLL's. We aren't noobs here, this is an old debate. Want to debate something useful, debate .mobis. That is something NEW. There is NOTHING new with LLLL vs. LLL.

No one is debating letters like IMDB, so bringing that up as an example is unfair to those criticizing the LLLL market.

No matter what the acronym is, if you can't come up with hypothetical on your own, AND your Google research yields no hypothetical... there is going to be problems with your domain. End of story.

There is NO difference between LLL and LLLL's. The difference has always been between quality and non-quality. I get the feeling that many of the people defending the ZQQK domains don't have a lot of experience with end-users and clients. I get the sense that they are thinking of domainer-domainer and 'wholesale' costs going up in time. That the goal is "well, the minimum value will go up faster than the annual reg fee, so its a good buy".

Well if you have that mentality, you better hope there are more newbies joining the domain business than there are current domainers becoming 'experienced/experts' in their field. Cause I personally, wouldn't touch ZQXK with a 10 foot pole.

I agree in part with what you're saying, the idea of endless price increases from new investors coming in to the market is pretty shaky, at best. But, if end-users continue to buy domains with "non-premium" letters, then it seems to me that LLLL's will continue to maintain their value, if not increase modestly, due to the fact that pretty much any letter combination has a "potential" end-user purchaser (even if it's in Zambia or Greece or China or the Netherlands or whatever). The more LLLL's find homes with end-users, and the more end-users continue to buy all sorts of these domains, that is where the future growth in prices will be, if any, not the endless hype of new investors, I think.

[VTEC]

why every post is turned into a fight...

Acro ! Lorenzo ! Both of you, relax ... ahh well....

...continue if you have to

[Acro]

There is no fight. I'm cool as ice.

[gorilla_bob]

How do you guys rate LLLL.com's with 3 premium letters and one bad letter? I just bought a ton for $40 each... I think it's a good investment.

Bob

[tetrapak]

How would you rate that when you could sell it for 1,5x in 10 minutes?

[domainstand]

Originally Posted by gorilla_bob

I'm not sure why there is a debate here. To me it seems quite mute putting logic to a market frenzy. Right now LLLL.com's are hot. You see that by just looking at the prices. Sometimes there is no amount of logic or reasoning that can explain market prices. That's just the nature of the beast. The market will move whether you like it or not.

Now for the good part, I do agree that there are some types of LLLL.com's that will increase more and cost more than crap LLLL.com's. But if we look towards what has happened to the LLL.com market, there is still value in buying crap. I'm willing to hedge my bets to buy both kinds... and I think that goes the same for all of us.

I'll let you all get back to what you were doing while i go find out more ways carve my nitches in the domain industry.

Oh and btw, please check out my website: www.freshdrop.net ... I think you will like it.

- Bob

Good point... A diverse portfolio is a very smart move. $50 LLLL.com's will shortly be a thing of the past, so don't overlook their potential for investment.
Adding these to Premium LLLL.com's will undoubtedly increase your bottom line.

If you can't afford a LLL.com anymore(like most) this may be your chance to make a few bucks before any and all 4 letter dot com's reach the minimum $100 mark.... it will happen. Mark my words.

Almost all premiums letters have been regged for L-LL.com and LL-L.com's ,
so this will also fuel the demand.

I suggest you all grab a few of those also while you can. I don't have a crystal ball, but have made many intuitive buys over the years that worked out very well for me... knock on wood

[incka]

The gap between the use-value and the exchange-value has gone too big in most of the four letter domains. If there an no plausable acronyms, it isn't a typo or it isn't a brandable word, then you haven't got a domain with any use-value (apart from that of having a short domain, but come on theres thousands of these and most people dont want a four letter domain for their site). Three letter ones almost always have a few acronyms and are much more brandable no matter what their combination. However these have probably gone for beyond their use value in many cases.

Domains like NYMT.com have value (could be NewYorkManagementTraining) which may be more than their currently exchanging for, but domains like YJXZ.com which I don't think their is an acronym for and is hard to brand doesn't have the use value of its reg fee. It however has an exchange value CURRENTLY. I think the recession will change this.

But the recession is probably a reason why people are investing in these names - they are easier to sell than domains like ChicagoTailors.com so people are looking for something they can sell quick if they need to. Problem is when it gets time to sell no one will want to buy

[VTEC]

Originally Posted by gorilla_bob

How do you guys rate LLLL.com's with 3 premium letters and one bad letter? I just bought a ton for $40 each... I think it's a good investment.

Bob

Bob, could you give me your seller's contact details please ?

[BLazeD]

Originally Posted by gorilla_bob

How do you guys rate LLLL.com's with 3 premium letters and one bad letter? I just bought a ton for $40 each... I think it's a good investment.

Bob

I'm sure you could flip them for a 150% return pretty easily

[IBN]

Very interesting read indeed. As to the starting post, if 2 non premium so called "bad" llll's out of xxx,xxx?... sell for $40.00 plus change, What really happened? If the minimum wholesale this month is around $50.00 then i would assume that is based on a collection of data from sales. If that is the case, then of course you would have some sales that are in the $40.00 range, some $60.00 which would make a $50.00 average. IMHO nothing really happened.

As to the idea of Hype, LLLL's are being sold on ebay, snap, jet, sedo, pool, afternic, tdn, np, dn, dp, and wherever else....ect,...ect,....on a daily basis, can this be the result of a few guys on a domain forum yelling hype? Are these names being sold Continuously to a handful of Newbie or Experienced Domainers who are believing hype? How many 10, 20 ? Perhaps it is, maybe someone can explain.

Idea, what was the idea behind LLL, basically that businesses like short, and or brand-able acronyms to use as they are more friendly for the internet.
So random lll's were purchased in speculation of this fact. If QZX is not a known acronym and not very English friendly or all that brand-able, and till this day have not found a home (end user) how did it's price rise in value so much?
Apply the same logic to LLLL, however in this case there are much much more available than LLL. If the difference between lll and llll are one letter with the same objective, looking at history one can only conclude that the non premium llll will be pulled by the premium llll's up in value over time. The internet is expanding more and more by American businesses and Globally, so naturally the 400k will begin the shrink more and more, also a small percent should find end users and domainers will probably develop a few for mfa sites or big project sites, this will also shrink the size down.

Globally, The China and German ect.. markets. As stated by Acro something to the effect of "China does not need the .com" interesting; they do have .com.cn and .cn. I asked this same question to someone who was selling Non Premiums llll's .Com's to end user's in China. I asked him if the Chinese would prefer their own .Cn over .com and he told me that they would prefer the .Com. Maybe this is something to be further investigated.

Reece, correct if I am wrong but did i read you say they you thought your sellout may have been a bit too early? Let's say you held out and kept those llll's do you believe that next year or the year after you would have seen a ROI on them or would renewal fees take the roi away or would the roi beat out the renewal fees?

Acro... I think for the most part that is sound advice, but if I can't afford solo*com and i got zxqx for $50.00 today, you don't see zxqx increasing in value over time, TIME... $8.00 renewal in a year, do you think I can sell zxqx for $100 or $75.00 toward the end of 2009. Not hype but do you see the market following this trend or will it all of a sudden drop and many many domainers will be at a loss next year.