LLLL.com's prices going down....?

[gorilla_bob]

VTEC,

He has no more LLLL.com's but I can tell you where I found him. I've been looking at places where domains may be sold but from users that aren't really domainers.

I'll let you know about that place once the domains have been successfully transfered to my account.

Bob

Originally Posted by VTEC

Bob, could you give me your seller's contact details please ?

[4ltrorg]

I think the only thing going down is the quality of available domains. They are no longer dropping like they used to and everyone seems to be hoarding away the good ones or have plans for development.

[Acro]

Originally Posted by IBN

Very interesting read indeed. As to the starting post, if 2 non premium so called "bad" llll's out of xxx,xxx?... sell for $40.00 plus change, What really happened? If the minimum wholesale this month is around $50.00 then i would assume that is based on a collection of data from sales. If that is the case, then of course you would have some sales that are in the $40.00 range, some $60.00 which would make a $50.00 average. IMHO nothing really happened.

As to the idea of Hype, LLLL's are being sold on ebay, snap, jet, sedo, pool, afternic, tdn, np, dn, dp, and wherever else....ect,...ect,....on a daily basis, can this be the result of a few guys on a domain forum yelling hype? Are these names being sold Continuously to a handful of Newbie or Experienced Domainers who are believing hype? How many 10, 20 ? Perhaps it is, maybe someone can explain.

Idea, what was the idea behind LLL, basically that businesses like short, and or brand-able acronyms to use as they are more friendly for the internet.
So random lll's were purchased in speculation of this fact. If QZX is not a known acronym and not very English friendly or all that brand-able, and till this day have not found a home (end user) how did it's price rise in value so much?
Apply the same logic to LLLL, however in this case there are much much more available than LLL. If the difference between lll and llll are one letter with the same objective, looking at history one can only conclude that the non premium llll will be pulled by the premium llll's up in value over time. The internet is expanding more and more by American businesses and Globally, so naturally the 400k will begin the shrink more and more, also a small percent should find end users and domainers will probably develop a few for mfa sites or big project sites, this will also shrink the size down.

Globally, The China and German ect.. markets. As stated by Acro something to the effect of "China does not need the .com" interesting; they do have .com.cn and .cn. I asked this same question to someone who was selling Non Premiums llll's .Com's to end user's in China. I asked him if the Chinese would prefer their own .Cn over .com and he told me that they would prefer the .Com. Maybe this is something to be further investigated.

Reece, correct if I am wrong but did i read you say they you thought your sellout may have been a bit too early? Let's say you held out and kept those llll's do you believe that next year or the year after you would have seen a ROI on them or would renewal fees take the roi away or would the roi beat out the renewal fees?

Acro... I think for the most part that is sound advice, but if I can't afford solo*com and i got zxqx for $50.00 today, you don't see zxqx increasing in value over time, TIME... $8.00 renewal in a year, do you think I can sell zxqx for $100 or $75.00 toward the end of 2009. Not hype but do you see the market following this trend or will it all of a sudden drop and many many domainers will be at a loss next year.

Some people perceive domains as stamps or coins, a hobby or a pastime. That's fine too, but if you plan on making some money you have to treat them as antiques. If your goal is to make $25 profit on a domain by flipping it over the course of a year, so be it. That'd make you a hobbyist, content with a small gain. That's ok too, I started with almost the same mentality when I registered 3-char .com's by the hundreds. But this mentality does not generate considerable profit. I bought a domain on DNForum for $29 last year. I sold it yesterday for more than $2,500. It's pointless for me to collect all the "stamps" hoping one would be of value in a few years, when the country that made that stamp is annexed by another country (a metaphor, so that you understand the LLLL .com's becoming extinct). I prefer to specialize, choosing names that have great potential from the get-go. The same with stamp collections, you can't have them all, you need to choose a genre, a type, a subject.

I'm done with this subject and if I upset anyone during the usual coffee-laden hours, I apologize.

[gorilla_bob]

Acroplex,

That is a very good and wise perception. You seem very put together and you know what you want and what you don't want. I'm on the same type of track as well.

In argument though, the LLLL.com market for now at least, is really a numbers game. And I do see why you would be disenfranchised by it given your current domain strategy. In my opinion, buying in bulk LLLL.com is a great strategy. I'm not looking to sell for a $25 profit, but I know that there may be others that may want to buy in bulk from me one day and I can make an enormous profit. I'm not looking to sell onesies and twosies LLLL.com's.. i'm looking to sell them by the hundreds or thousands. If an end-user comes along and wants to dump a thousand for a single LLLL.com in my collection... well, that is just cream on top.

In the meantime, I just park them and sit back and wait for the market to continue to go up...just like everyone else. It's a longer strategy, but if we can look at the LLL.com market... boy well, i wish i was in the domain industry back then... now i'd have hundreds of LLL.com sitting pretty in my portfolio.

Now wouldn't that be a good position to be in?

Bob

[netdevil]

I grabbed some VCVC's in Jan for around 100 each. Just got an offer of $300 each.

[filter]

Originally Posted by Acroplex

[...]
If your goal is to make $25 profit on a domain by flipping it over the course of a year, so be it. That'd make you a hobbyist, content with a small gain. That's ok too, I started with almost the same mentality when I registered 3-char .com's by the hundreds. But this mentality does not generate considerable profit.
[...]

Would really appreciate some insight from you - if back in your "hobbyist" phase you expected CCC.com to hit $xxx some years down the road...? Inquiring minds want to know ....

[DOTCN]

Finally, I finished reading the whole thread

Here are the 10 LLLL com you list here in this thread as the worst LLLL examples:
xjdq
xkwq
ZXQX
QKZZ
ZXWQ
zqqz
ZQXJ
ZQQK
ZQXK
YJXZ

and do you know how many end-users are using these LLLL's?

I have just checked them on .cn, .com.cn, .com and .net, and here are the end-user sites:
http://www.qkzz.cn/
http://www.yjxz.cn/
http://www.xjdq.com.cn/
http://qkzz.net/
http://www.zqxj.net/
http://www.zqxj.com/

Do you still think these LLLL are useless?

[mrleewood]

End user's need is king.

[tphelan]

Good point. I have sold a few of the so called lower quality LLLL.com domains to people from asia. I didn't have to go find them either. They are out there in the marketplaces looking for these domains.

Those look like quality, non spammy sites also.

Originally Posted by DOTCN

Finally, I finished reading the whole thread

Here are the 10 LLLL com you list here in this thread as the worst LLLL examples:
xjdq
xkwq
ZXQX
QKZZ
ZXWQ
zqqz
ZQXJ
ZQQK
ZQXK
YJXZ

and do you know how many end-users are using these LLLL's?

I have just checked them on .cn, .com.cn, .com and .net, and here are the end-user sites:
http://www.qkzz.cn/
http://www.yjxz.cn/
http://www.xjdq.com.cn/
http://qkzz.net/
http://www.zqxj.net/
http://www.zqxj.com/

Do you still think these LLLL are useless?

[gorilla_bob]

That's a shame. Now the prices for LLLL.com's are really gonna go up after people read this thread. That leaves me with less time to find the bargains.

I hate this thread. :(

Bob

[stevo]

Originally Posted by Reece

If I take my BQB.com once again, what could I conceivably do if I was an enduser who wanted to call his business "Better Quality Business" without the money to buy an LLL.com?

Some examples for the enduser who cannot afford BQB:

BQBA - Better Quality Business Associates

A while back I regged all 4 letter combos that I could find (regardless of the other letters)that:

1. Ended in e, i, c, a
2. Began with e,i

I tried not to have 2 "bad" letters in the same name. I have confidence in their value. Speculation by definition involves contemplation. Be selective and you will fare well in my opinion.

[BLazeD]

Originally Posted by stevo

Speculation by definition involves contemplation. Be selective and you will fare well in my opinion.

Agreed

[rkbdomain]

I did another scan of 100 random LLLL's to see the level of development. Again, as has been noted above, I need to do a few more to get the margin of error down. In this sample, 18% were developed sites (the previous sample had 24%), and 5% were Asian sites. There were a couple of other foreign sites in the sample as well. You can see the results here.

[DOTCN]

Originally Posted by rkbdomain

I did another scan of 100 random LLLL's to see the level of development. Again, as has been noted above, I need to do a few more to get the margin of error down. In this sample, 18% were developed sites (the previous sample had 24%), and 5% were Asian sites. There were a couple of other foreign sites in the sample as well. You can see the results here.

there are 456,976 LLLL.com, your samples number is tooooooooooooo small :(

[rkbdomain]

Originally Posted by DOTCN

there are 456,976 LLLL.com, your samples number is tooooooooooooo small :(

I know, I said that in my post. I hope to do more so that the sample size is big enough for a low margin of error. I still thought people would be interested in seeing some of the samples and what the developed sites were.

[DomainName]

Why post invalid data....it is very misleading. You should post data that is clean with no questions left.

[rkbdomain]

Originally Posted by DomainName

Why post invalid data....it is very misleading. You should post data that is clean with no questions left.

I don't see how it is invalid or misleading. The margin of error on 200/456976 is 6.93% at the 95% confidence level. Combining the two samples, based on these scans we can say at the 95% confidence level that the number of developed LLLL's are between 14.07% and 27.93%. That is certainly a wide range, but it is not invalid, it just is what it is. And I said in the post that I needed a larger sample size to reduce the margin of error. Anyways, I found the information useful which is why I have been doing the scans, and hope to do more to improve the reliability of the numbers.

[BLazeD]

Originally Posted by rkbdomain

I don't see how it is invalid or misleading. The margin of error on 200/456976 is 6.93% at the 95% confidence level. Combining the two samples, based on these scans we can say at the 95% confidence level that the number of developed LLLL's are between 14.07% and 27.93%. That is certainly a wide range, but it is not invalid, it just is what it is. And I said in the post that I needed a larger sample size to reduce the margin of error. Anyways, I found the information useful which is why I have been doing the scans, and hope to do more to improve the reliability of the numbers.

Niiiiiice

[italiandragon]

Originally Posted by DOTCN

Finally, I finished reading the whole thread

Here are the 10 LLLL com you list here in this thread as the worst LLLL examples:
xjdq
xkwq
ZXQX
QKZZ
ZXWQ
zqqz
ZQXJ
ZQQK
ZQXK
YJXZ

and do you know how many end-users are using these LLLL's?

I have just checked them on .cn, .com.cn, .com and .net, and here are the end-user sites:
http://www.qkzz.cn/
http://www.yjxz.cn/
http://www.xjdq.com.cn/
http://qkzz.net/
http://www.zqxj.net/
http://www.zqxj.com/

Do you still think these LLLL are useless?

One of the best posts of the year regarding this topic, thank you!

[rkbdomain]

Originally Posted by italiandragon

One of the best posts of the year regarding this topic, thank you!

Agreed, great post!