LLLL.com's prices going down....?

[VTEC]

For around 3 weeks I haven't seen a LLLL.com sale on eBay for less than $50 and now one for $42 and the 2nd one for $46....


What's your opinion ?

[ddaybofb]

i think they have to be good LLLL.com people are starting to not just buy crappy ones that have no meaning. Only ones that have abbreviations or meanings or pronounceable are ones being sold for high prices IMO

[Acro]

A few guidelines that I observe when I invest in the LLLL .com namespace:

1. Old domains - the older, the better - e.g. registered in the 1990's
2. Good letters or pronounceable (but not in Klingon)
3. Google results or acronyms of existing companies or phrases
4. Other TLD's taken

In other words, I won't register xjdq.com just because it's available or because it's on sale for $30.

[Prospecting]

Common language is essential, as acroplex stated, acronyms of existing companies or phrases are the only value for LLLL domains in my view, otherwise the typical huge budget in branding comes into play.

Direct navigation friendly domains are the only LLLL I would consider.

regards
Bill

[tristanperry]

As 4LetterNoob.com's price guide shows, the prices of LLLL.coms are still going up.

It's just that sales are slowing, as the market gets a reality check (prices have risen by hundreds of % in a couple of months, obviously that's not sustainable). Hence I think that LLLL.com sales are slowing a bit, although the market is growing.

[Reece]

Alot of people seem to be content with the returns they're now seeing on ZQVX-type LLLL.coms. I wouldn't go so far as to say the market is "flooded", but there are certainly more people selling LLLL.coms today than there were say, 1 month ago. Naturally excess supply is going to drop prices - or at least prevent them from rising as fast. Prices aren't going down but they do seem to be increasing slower lately.

I'm also a big fan of quality LLLL.coms too and recently sold my bad ones and purchased a few good ones regged in the late 90s through 2002.

[RCK]

A few guidelines that I observe when I invest in the LLLL .com namespace:

1. Old domains - the older, the better - e.g. registered in the 1990's
2. Good letters or pronounceable (but not in Klingon)
3. Google results or acronyms of existing companies or phrases
4. Other TLD's taken

In other words, I won't register xjdq.com just because it's available or because it's on sale for $30.

That's exactly what I am thinking.

[Ehsan]

it looks like that way , i think its going down while for the 4letternoob guide the name shows he is a noob , but main thing is because the 4Letter noob owns loads of 4L .coms thats why

[Reece]

Oh yes, I'm the biggest noob there is!

I actually don't have that many anymore (need to update my about section). Offloaded about 1500 of them over the last 3-4 weeks.

it looks like that way , i think its going down while for the 4letternoob guide the name shows he is a noob , but main thing is because the 4Letter noob owns loads of 4L .coms thats why

[Ehsan]

the noob thing was a joke dont take it personally

[filter]

funny, looking back at what I wrote almost exactly 3 months ago: http://www.dnforum.com/f34/llll-com-...ml#post1305867

I'm still holding onto over a dozen of the "dregs" from the Nov 2nd buyout - I'll probably be more inclined to let a few go (if/)when the going rate for "line noise" LLLL.com gets closer to $50 than $15 - guessing that could take another 3 to 6 months (if it happens at all). Doesn't seem worth the trouble to make a sale to take just a few $$ profit at this point, giving up possibly significant gains yet to come ...

I think it's going to be an interesting few months as different price points are reached, maybe giving pause to potential buyers / encouraging potential sellers to take some profits already "while they still can" .... and then the next turn of the cycle begins, with those who were buying now the potential sellers waiting for a new price point to make it worth their while .... Meanwhile a few LLLL.com at all "quality levels" actually are picked up by end users and are no longer in the reseller market - though the money paid for them will quite possibly be re-invested to make more pickups from the remaining pool available. (That's my glibly optimistic scenario for prices doubling a few times over the next several months. Any number of ways that this could unfold much differently and less pleasantly, but somehow I'm less inclined to give much serious thought to how things could go wrong with the "cycle of prices ratcheting up" scenario ... go figure. Well, will be interesting to see how it plays out either way!)

Probably in another 3 months we'll see a few weeks of prices bouncing down off the $100 resistance "profit-taking threshold" ... and then back upwards, until the "worst" LLLL.com reach parity with CCC.com prices, quite possibly before the end of 2008.

IMO ...

[DomainName]

the "worst" LLLL.com reach parity with CCC.com prices, quite possibly before the end of 2009.

IMO ... [/quote]

That's a pretty big statement...the worst LLLL.com going from high $xx to $2xx-$3xx, which is the going rate for the worst CCC.com combination. You seem very optomistic to say the least.

[filter]

That's a pretty big statement...the worst LLLL.com going from high $xx to $2xx-$3xx, which is the going rate for the worst CCC.com combination. You seem very optomistic to say the least.

Yeah ... and meant to say "by the end of 2008" rather than "2009" ... so even quite a bit more optimistic by a year there.

Another way you could look at it is that price for QVXZ.com (etc) might soon converge toward at least 1/30 of the price of QVX.com ...

But as far as "domainer tokens" go, I like to compare the "worst 45,000" LLLL.com (the last to go, regged between April and November 2007) with the 46,656 CCC.com - which have maybe similar prospects for finding end users, but have been consistently traded between domainers at low $xxx prices for some time now.

How many people predicted $xxx prices for CCC.com, by the way?

[DomainName]

Yeah ... and meant to say "by the end of 2008" rather than "2009" ... so even quite a bit more optimistic by a year there.

Another way you could look at it is that price for QVXZ.com (etc) might soon converge toward at least 1/30 of the price of QVX.com ...

But as far as "domainer tokens" go, I like to compare the "worst 45,000" LLLL.com (the last to go, regged between April and November 2007) with the 46,656 CCC.com - which have maybe similar prospects for finding end users, but have been consistently traded between domainers at low $xxx prices for some time now.

How many people predicted $xxx prices for CCC.com, by the way?

You're comparing apples to oranges filter...All 47k different CCC combinations are not selling for low $xxx ie: le1, which just sold for over $1k. You might want to compare to worst ccc to the worse LLLL to support your statement.

[Dale Hubbard]

That's exactly what I am thinking.

Me too. Yet we now have a LLLLL.com/net registrant base. How nuts is that unless it's a meaningful name?

Anyone want a LLLLLL or NNNNNN .com/.net list to offer up to whois - PM me - $1000.

[filter]

You're comparing apples to oranges filter...All 47k different CCC combinations are not selling for low $xxx ie: le1, which just sold for over $1k. You might want to compare to worst ccc to the worse LLLL to support your statement.

yes, I am comparing apples to oranges.

Apples and oranges are about the same size, grow on trees, have nutritional value ... etc etc etc. If I go to the store and see a gallon of apple juice for $4 and a gallon of orange juice for $8 ... hmmm... Yeah I'll probably still get the OJ. Unless I only have $4 to spend ... in which case apple juice might do just fine.

But, let's take your suggestion - maybe look only at the "worst" CCC.com which seems to be CNC.com and NCN.com (example 4n9) So there are 6760 + 2600 of those critters out there. Remove a few outliers such as V7N and 4x4 ... Compare with the last 9000 LLLL.com. Good enough. If you can see the correlation, you might profit from it. Or not ....

But, really still wondering how many people predicted $xxx prices for CCC.com ... anyone? Bueller? Acroplex?

[gooster]

Me too. Yet we now have a LLLLL.com/net registrant base. How nuts is that unless it's a meaningful name?

Anyone want a LLLLLL or NNNNNN .com/.net list to offer up to whois - PM me - $1000.

PM Sent...

[Andrew Shaw]

You also have to remember that there are no set prices for any domain name... Its only what people are willing to pay... zqvx could have a made up minimum reseller value of $50... but if noone is willing to pay that, then prices will drop. The domain names that have actual potential, arnt filled with crap letters... Just because its 4 letters, it doesnt mean its going to continue raising in value, let alone keep its value.

[Dale Hubbard]

PM Sent...

PayPal received - list on its way. Thanks!

[Reece]

Right now, there are people out there willing to pay $50 for any LLLL.com. Is it necessarily a good idea? No, I don't think so... Even among LLLL.coms with 4 bad letters, some are an order of magnitude better than others (having actual overture results, being first/last names or actual words in a different language, etc).

Sure they might go up in value - and I believe they will... But I also believe there are better investments out there. Something like QIII - a name I recently bought for $400 has way better odds of finding an enduser than a name with next to zero google frequency, zero acronyms, and no business or person with even a remotely similar name...

I do think there's plenty of potential to make good investments in LLLL.coms that aren't necessarily quad premium (I'd lump my QIII into this category), but at the same time, do think it's somewhat silly to be buying LLLL.coms strictly based on what type of LLLL.com it is (eg. 1 premium letter, 2, 3,...). I think we can all agree that it'd be pretty stupid to look at an LLL.com and only be willing to pay a certain price because it has say an X in it (let's say the name is NSX.com), but when it comes to LLLL.coms, alot of people seem to blindly assign a value to particular domains without using much logic labelling it a "triple premium", "double premium", etc.

I think Acro has a pretty good assessment of what makes an LLLL.com "great". I would suggest that the registration date be changed to when it was first registered however. I have a few nice LLLL.coms which were initially registered in the 96-98 timeframe but dropped during 00-02 period but are just as good as any LLLL.com showing an initial registration date of 96-98.

You also have to remember that there are no set prices for any domain name... Its only what people are willing to pay... zqvx could have a made up minimum reseller value of $50... but if noone is willing to pay that, then prices will drop. The domain names that have actual potential, arnt filled with crap letters... Just because its 4 letters, it doesnt mean its going to continue raising in value, let alone keep its value.