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**Rubber Duck** · 12-10-2007, 05:52 PM

Experience with IDN has shown that you cannot develop an extension or a genre of domains out of a hole.

There has been huge development on Japanese IDN, the take up by large corporates and the type in from surfer is Squat, and IDN have a built in advantage that Mobi just doesn't.

By contrast, in Russia where there is no great culture of using dot Com as an extension and very little by way of development we are now starting to get very significant level of traffic. This is happening because of the distribution of browser that support IDN is happening in Russia, but not as yet in the Far East.

The bottom line is that there has to be a rationale, and your target market has to identify both with your extension and your keyword. The appropriate mechanism also need to be in place. If none of this is true, all the "development" in the World won't mean squat!

**namewaiter** · 12-10-2007, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

Experience with IDN has shown that you cannot develop an extension or a genre of domains out of a hole.

There has been huge development on Japanese IDN, the take up by large corporates and the type in from surfer is Squat, and IDN have a built in advantage that Mobi just doesn't.

By contrast, in Russia where there is no great culture of using dot Com as an extension and very little by way of development we are now starting to get very significant level of traffic. This is happening because of the distribution of browser that support IDN is happening in Russia, but not as yet in the Far East.

umm .. just type in .mobi (no special browsers or software required)

**Rubber Duck** · 12-11-2007, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by namewaiter

umm .. just type in .mobi (no special browsers or software required)

Just as there is not for dot Pro, dot Name, dot Travel or dot Museum.

The question is, if there are no obstacles, why are people not spontaneously typing in dot Mobi? The answer is that there is NO mind share. That has to be created some how, and my point was that will only occur with massive advertising expenditure. By contrast it would seem that cyrillic IDN.com is proving intuitive to Russians even though ASCII.com only ever just got a toe in the door.

**Poker** · 12-11-2007, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by namewaiter

umm .. just type in .mobi (no special browsers or software required)

The distinction between IDN's and mobi's is an important one. There is a huge difference between trying to create a demand for somthing and harvesting a demand for somthing. Said it before...mobi is trying to create a demand where one does not exist. The mobile internet does not need a new domain ext for delivery. IDN's focus on harvesting a demand that already exists.

**Rubber Duck** · 12-11-2007, 01:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poker

The distinction between IDN's and mobi's is an important one. There is a huge difference between trying to create a demand for somthing and harvesting a demand for somthing. Said it before...mobi is trying to create a demand where one does not exist. The mobile internet does not need a new domain ext for delivery. IDN's focus on harvesting a demand that already exists.

You put that so eloquently. Exactly what I would like to have said myself.

**sdsinc** · 12-11-2007, 09:37 AM

Well put Poker

**BILLBO** · 12-11-2007, 10:06 AM

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Dot mobi have retracted their press release saying that record sales of .mobi at Sedo auction!

Looks like the penny may have dropped after all.

**Doc Com** · 12-11-2007, 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Poker

The distinction between IDN's and mobi's is an important one. There is a huge difference between trying to create a demand for somthing and harvesting a demand for somthing. Said it before...mobi is trying to create a demand where one does not exist. The mobile internet does not need a new domain ext for delivery. IDN's focus on harvesting a demand that already exists.

Poke, poke, poke...

going back, how many extensions do we need, prefixes, suffixes, subdomains to say one thing...mobile? Who is going to reel in or standardize the millions of possibilities and the millions of different ways each person could come up with a URL or link to their mobile site?

IDN is very valid and very near. Even then, that is going to be added need to standardize the mobile connectivity issue with es, cn, jp, in, tw, de and so on. So we are not just talking .com. We are talking every extension on the planet just about and every one coming up with kazillions of subdomains.

Mind bobbling. To me .mobi would be a common thread needed even more to tie this in.

Going back to bed, got up to let the dogs out...literally.

**jasdon11** · 12-11-2007, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILLBO

BREAKING NEWS!!!

Dot mobi have retracted their press release saying that record sales of .mobi at Sedo auction!

Looks like the penny may have dropped after all.

Billbo - you seem to have posted this everywhere - any reason?

**Doc Com** · 12-11-2007, 01:36 PM

Seems like a very good place to post it would be Sedo. Let them explain what is (or is not going on) and how they are handling the situation. Plus, let them confirm this matter.

**sashas** · 12-11-2007, 02:40 PM

Just a question.
When were the .mobi and .tv subforums created here at DNF?

**BILLBO** · 12-11-2007, 02:52 PM

Jasdon11, yes I posted it wherever I thought those concerned might get to see it the quickest. Imagine if you were the winner of a $xx,xxx .mobi domain in the second auction, and today you were making payment to Sedo, would the news not cause you to pause and think about the consequences of paying?

It was essential to warn these people that things are not as straight forward and complete as Sedo would have you think.

If the multi-posting of this news annoyed anyone I apologise, but I would do it again to save another domainer making a payment for a domain that s/he might never own because of the legal battle that has been joined today. If these second auction winners pay then how would they get their money back from Sedo whilst this goes to court?

My actions may not be appreciated by everyone on here (or N P), but if I have helped one domainer save his/her money then I have been successfull, if I have not been successful at least I have done what is right.

**jasdon11** · 12-11-2007, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BILLBO

Jasdon11, yes I posted it wherever I thought those concerned might get to see it the quickest. Imagine if you were the winner of a $xx,xxx .mobi domain in the second auction, and today you were making payment to Sedo, would the news not cause you to pause and think about the consequences of paying?

It was essential to warn these people that things are not as straight forward and complete as Sedo would have you think.

If the multi-posting of this news annoyed anyone I apologise, but I would do it again to save another domainer making a payment for a domain that s/he might never own because of the legal battle that has been joined today. If these second auction winners pay then how would they get their money back from Sedo whilst this goes to court?

My actions may not be appreciated by everyone on here (or N P), but if I have helped one domainer save his/her money then I have been successfull, if I have not been successful at least I have done what is right.

Fair enough Billbo - didn't mean to cause offense.

**BILLBO** · 12-11-2007, 03:25 PM

None taken mate.

**Doc Com** · 12-11-2007, 04:45 PM

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12-10-2007, 05:52 PM	#361 (permalink)
Rubber Duck Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: Yesterday 06:47 PM iTrader: (16) Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 2,817 DNF$: 2,935	Experience with IDN has shown that you cannot develop an extension or a genre of domains out of a hole. There has been huge development on Japanese IDN, the take up by large corporates and the type in from surfer is Squat, and IDN have a built in advantage that Mobi just doesn't. By contrast, in Russia where there is no great culture of using dot Com as an extension and very little by way of development we are now starting to get very significant level of traffic. This is happening because of the distribution of browser that support IDN is happening in Russia, but not as yet in the Far East. The bottom line is that there has to be a rationale, and your target market has to identify both with your extension and your keyword. The appropriate mechanism also need to be in place. If none of this is true, all the "development" in the World won't mean squat! __________________ Yours, Rubber Duck Please note that any historic offers over a month old are null and void.

12-11-2007, 09:37 AM	#366 (permalink)
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12-11-2007, 10:06 AM	#367 (permalink)
BILLBO Last Online: Today 04:24 PM iTrader: (18) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,311 DNF$: 383 Location: England Country:	BREAKING NEWS!!! Dot mobi have retracted their press release saying that record sales of .mobi at Sedo auction! Looks like the penny may have dropped after all. __________________ JesusChri.st ChristJes.us Arkans.as Fig.ht Interested? PM me!

12-11-2007, 01:36 PM	#370 (permalink)
Doc Com Dances With Dogs Name: Dances With Dogs Last Online: Today 02:27 PM iTrader: (72) Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,132 DNF$: 24,861 Country:	Seems like a very good place to post it would be Sedo. Let them explain what is (or is not going on) and how they are handling the situation. Plus, let them confirm this matter. __________________ Conservative With A Conscience

12-11-2007, 02:40 PM	#371 (permalink)
sashas DNF Addict Name: Puranjay Last Online: 10-15-2009 04:56 AM iTrader: (33) Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,784 DNF$: 4,352 Location: New Delhi Country:	Just a question. When were the .mobi and .tv subforums created here at DNF? __________________ EcuadorBiz.com - 9.5 Years Old! Last edited by sashas; 12-11-2007 at 03:11 PM..

12-11-2007, 02:52 PM	#372 (permalink)
BILLBO Last Online: Today 04:24 PM iTrader: (18) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,311 DNF$: 383 Location: England Country:	Jasdon11, yes I posted it wherever I thought those concerned might get to see it the quickest. Imagine if you were the winner of a $xx,xxx .mobi domain in the second auction, and today you were making payment to Sedo, would the news not cause you to pause and think about the consequences of paying? It was essential to warn these people that things are not as straight forward and complete as Sedo would have you think. If the multi-posting of this news annoyed anyone I apologise, but I would do it again to save another domainer making a payment for a domain that s/he might never own because of the legal battle that has been joined today. If these second auction winners pay then how would they get their money back from Sedo whilst this goes to court? My actions may not be appreciated by everyone on here (or N P), but if I have helped one domainer save his/her money then I have been successfull, if I have not been successful at least I have done what is right. __________________ JesusChri.st ChristJes.us Arkans.as Fig.ht Interested? PM me! Last edited by BILLBO; 12-11-2007 at 03:08 PM..

12-11-2007, 03:25 PM	#374 (permalink)
BILLBO Last Online: Today 04:24 PM iTrader: (18) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 2,311 DNF$: 383 Location: England Country:	None taken mate. __________________ JesusChri.st ChristJes.us Arkans.as Fig.ht Interested? PM me!

12-11-2007, 04:45 PM	#375 (permalink)
Doc Com Dances With Dogs Name: Dances With Dogs Last Online: Today 02:27 PM iTrader: (72) Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 10,132 DNF$: 24,861 Country:	Responses 373 views 7,232 19 pages later __________________ Conservative With A Conscience

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