.MOBI crashes Sedo... WOW!

[Poker]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

And why the hell do you keep trying to bring Bush into a conversation? I am still stuck on the first line of you other post. You can not use the word intelligence and Bush in the same sentence let alone the same paragraph.

LOL, I brought Bush into it because I thought it might drive the point home to you, albeit painfully

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Pok, it does not to be complicated.
You say the only ones who see anything in it is the one who have something in it. Fair enough.
So, those that don't have anything in it see nothing to it. Makes sense.
Objective? Wouldn't say you have to have an attachment to anything to be objective. By having no attachment to something, except an opinion, is objective..

Yeah. To be truely objective about something you have to have no attachment to it. I'm just saying that there are people here that have had a lot of experience with domains that have no investment and also no interest in mobi, therefore no attachment to it. I really don't think any of them think they have to put down mobi to preserve their other ext prices, or that they are just bitter or jealous about mobi or any other dubious motivation. I'm also not saying that they are definitly right, but in my opinion they are. Obviously everyone should just do what they want...my point is I value objective opinions, most of us do, but for some reason they aren't given much weight here when it concerns mobi.

[Domainator]

KOOLAID.mobi

Originally Posted by Acroplex

Average Joe Domainer will not be able to buy generic.mobi

Joe Lemming will buy secondarykeyword.mobi, led by the hype created around this obsolete TLD.

[clasione]

I never thought squat about .mobi, and voiced it freely until I came accross Vision on these boards... I will be the first one to say that that I've never really liked .mobi and really never took it seriously, but this guy knows his stuff and he has some seriously valid points here....

I actually did buy both my main business .mobi's after bumping into his thoughts on this, and I actually picked up a third just recently.... The above facts that Vision out layed here seem to have some serious substance... Each day it appears that he can't be that wrong....

But that is funny:
I'd swear this guy works for .mobi....

[Domainator]

Fool.com

Originally Posted by clasione

I never thought squat about .mobi, and voiced it freely until I came accross Vision on these boards... I will be the first one to say that that I've never really liked .mobi and really never took it seriously, but this guy knows his stuff and he has some seriously valid points here....

I actually did buy both my main business .mobi's after bumping into his thoughts on this, and I actually picked up a third just recently.... The above facts that Vision out layed here seem to have some serious substance... Each day it appears that he can't be that wrong....

But that is funny:
I'd swear this guy works for .mobi....

[Devil Dog]

http://alvaroalbarracin.blogspot.com...obi-names.html

I am not planning on developing these names, I am planing on selling these sometime in the near future, because I am focusing in Clics.com.. I am already getting emails with offers, for the group and as single. ))

Thank you for your comments !!!

Alvaro

[Doc Com]

Objective:
being the object of perception or thought; belonging to the object of thought rather than to the thinking subject (opposed to subjective).

Subjective:
existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought (opposed to objective).

Kind of a fine line there for both sides of the argument.

I are one of dem peeples you say "have had a lot of experience with domains". Not to the extent of some of the domain gods, but enough. Don't make assumptions based on join dates.

And I do think, at times, they have to put down mobi to preserve their other ext prices. And I do think, all the time, everyone should just do what they want...without the interference of the opposition.

Now, am I being objective or subjective?

Originally Posted by Devil Dog

http://alvaroalbarracin.blogspot.com...obi-names.html

I am not planning on developing these names, I am planing on selling these sometime in the near future, because I am focusing in Clics.com.. I am already getting emails with offers, for the group and as single. ))

Thank you for your comments !!!

Alvaro

Thanks Dog. Also posted on Sahar's blog conceptualist.com.

So, the closed thread earlier today was not a hoax and he was the buyer.

Interesting.

[seanboy]

Originally Posted by Alvaro

I am not planning on developing these names

He didn't do his homework before bidding on these names:
http://mtld.mobi/domain/premium/auction

Originally Posted by mtld

Companies and individuals will be able to bid on the premium names offered by dotMobi and Sedo during these three auctions. The auction rules will follow Sedo's standard Terms and Conditions. In addition, dotMobi has further, minimal, requirements for the buyer:

- Domain to be registered by auction winner within 10 days of receiving authorization code
- Site to initially consist of a dotMobi-compliant parking page
- Best efforts to create, launch and operate a live web site with relevant content within six months. (For example, acupuncture.mobi should not display a site for car sales.)
- Fully compliant site with an http://ready.mobi score of at least 4/5.

[clasione]

Originally Posted by Domainator

Fool.com

I haven't gotten to where I am today by being a fool....
I resent that comment and this forum isn't the place for it.

[Poker]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

I are one of dem peeples you say "have had a lot of experience with domains". Not to the extent of some of the domain gods, but enough. Don't make assumptions based on join dates. .

Where did I do that?

Originally Posted by Doc Com

And I do think, at times, they have to put down mobi to preserve their other ext prices. .

'cmon Doc, if someone believed that .mobi was a threat to their portfolio value then they would invest in .mobi.

If they don't believe in it then they won't invest in it and suggest the same to others.

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Now, am I being objective or subjective?
Interesting.

your just being doc mobi...er I mean doc com

[Domainator]

Us guys from Brooklyn always knew you Long Islanders had a sensitive tooth...so with that point where the hell is ouch.mobi gonna get ya?

Lighten up dude!

If you are really from the NY area, you would know anyone to brag "I've made it" is really just getting started....

Originally Posted by clasione

I haven't gotten to where I am today by being a fool....
I resent that comment and this forum isn't the place for it.

[clasione]

Originally Posted by Domainator

Us guys from Brooklyn always knew you Long Islanders had a sensitive tooth...so with that point where the hell is ouch.mobi gonna get ya?

Lighten up dude!

If you are really from the NY area, you would know anyone to brag "I've made it" is really just getting started....

More blind negitive attitude... Brooklyn.... it makes sence now.

[Domainator]

Originally Posted by clasione

More blind negitive attitude... Brooklyn.... it makes sence now.

[Focus]

Some people have alot more money than sense...they lose it somewhere along the way and I have a feeling that's the case (and cash) with these recent .mobi purchases... NEWSFLASH: you don't need .mobi to access a website on a phone..that's what everyone seems to keep missing..it does'nt serve a viable purpose. And any small niche it has right now for non-compatible websites will soon go bye bye..and so will the extension. It's another .cc

[Jagusa]

-- I deleted my original post -- it wasn't likely to lead to any real constructive discussion.

[sashas]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

On the other hand, with 3.3 billion cell phone subscribers in the world, musicians and artist making a huge pay day out of royalties from download ringtones, I can see someone like Apple for iTunes, or Sony, BMI, Google, or Amazon going for it. 600K is huge to some ordinary folks but to these giants, an ROI of a year or so is not far fetched. Music is the number one downloaded item...globally.

And speaking of globally, the concept of 5 years to register in the public mind is also a stretch...to the extreme. This domain has become so entrenched in some nations. It is just taking forever to gain mainstream acceptance here in the states. But it is coming. And rapidly.

The proof will be in the end user and how it is deployed. Then we'll have a better idea of what is to be.

Doc, to me, those 3.3 billion cell phones don't really mean much - how many of those cell phone users actually access the internet on their phones?

I think this is one point that everyone is missing here. The infrastructure is still way behind for mobile internet (and .mobi) to be mainstream. These sales are about 5 years too early.

A huge proportion of those 3.3 cell phones are in the developing world. And trust me - I come from India - in such countries, mobile internet is almost unheard of. Its expensive, and its not available.
Heck, even in the US, mobile internet is a huge pain. How many of the .mobi lovers can (and do) access the internet on their cell phones as much as they do on their computers? How many of these posts were written on cell phones?

So its not really 3.3 billion cell phones. Its only a very very small fraction that can and does actually use the mobile internet. The rest will still take years to take to it.


I'm not saying that the sales aren't legitimate. They very well might be. All I'm saying is that the sales have been way too inflated for a very new extension. Even the most ardent of .mobi lovers won't deny that the extension needs at least 5 more years to mature (as the infrastructure matures).

Time will tell about .mobi. To me, its just happening way too fast, way too soon, and way too easily.

Originally Posted by Devil Dog

http://alvaroalbarracin.blogspot.com...obi-names.html

I am not planning on developing these names, I am planing on selling these sometime in the near future, because I am focusing in Clics.com.. I am already getting emails with offers, for the group and as single. ))

Thank you for your comments !!!

Alvaro

So the buyer was essentially someone not really acquainted with the domain industry, but one in the mobile business, and believed much of the hype about .mobi.
Great. I was a skeptic, but now I'm confirmed that the mTLD hype has worked if buyers like that could be lured.

"I plan on selling the name"

Classic example of someone who doesn't know the domain industry jumping in with a load of cash and not really knowing what to do.
If he really believes he can flip a 611k Music.mobi for a profit anytime soon, then he's really really dreaming. I would much rather buy Invest.com.

Heck, if the owner of Invest.com hasn't been able to sell it for 600k+, if this guy thinks he can sell Music.mobi for more, then man..

The only major domainer who is publicly known to have bought high value .mobi names is Rick Schwartz. And we all know the debacle with the Flowers.mobi

mTLD seems to have done its homework right. Someone bought the hype.

Sheesh man...

[Doc Com]

Doc, to me, those 3.3 billion cell phones don't really mean much - how many of those cell phone users actually access the internet on their phones?

In Japan, PC and Laptop sales are 60% in the downslide. So much in fact, that the makers Toshiba and Sony do not even advertise their products in their own native countries.

On the opposite side of the spectrum, cell phone sales and upgrades are up 60%. The country is connected to the mobile internet. Soon, Japan will be offering college course via the cell phone.

In Italy, the italian government now uses .mobi for all major branches of government including the police department. Why? Everyone has a cell phone.

I think this is one point that everyone is missing here. The infrastructure is still way behind for mobile internet (and .mobi) to be mainstream. These sales are about 5 years too early.

That infrastructure is in place and only going to get better with the auctioning of the 700mhz spectrum and the introduction of 3.5g, soon 4g, and WiLDnet.

Mobi has made tremendous progress in many nations, including the US, in such a short period. There is much talk about going mainstream. The innovators that are not going with the "mainstream" thought of connecting to the consumer are the real winners in this arena. It will now be up to the others in the banking sector to catch up with Bank of America who recently signed up 500,000 BofA.mobi customers, more mobile banking customers that all other banks combined. BusinessWeek.mobi and CNNmoney.mobi, TBS.mobi, Amazon.mobi, and hundreds more are branding this and entrenching it into the minds of the consumer.

A huge proportion of those 3.3 cell phones are in the developing world. And trust me - I come from India - in such countries, mobile internet is almost unheard of. Its expensive, and its not available.

Therein lies tremendous opportunity to reach a growing and emerging market. Many nations and countries deemed "third world" are not able to afford nor fund what it takes to create an infrastructure of traditional internet. Nor are their population able to afford a computer let alone monthly fees for connectivity.

But they can afford a phone which enables them to connect to the internet as well as stay connected. At a very affordable option to the standard PC and laptop.

I understand you are from India. I have been in contact with many from India and Pakistan as well as from nations in Africa. This is moving rapidly and gaining great support. These are new markets, not emerging markets.

Heck, even in the US, mobile internet is a huge pain. How many of the .mobi lovers can (and do) access the internet on their cell phones as much as they do on their computers? How many of these posts were written on cell phones?

So its not really 3.3 billion cell phones. Its only a very very small fraction that can and does actually use the mobile internet. The rest will still take years to take to it.

Right now, there are estimates that 30% of those capable of accessing the internet via cell phone do. That is 1.1 billion people. That is equal to 1/6 of the global population.

Mobile devices are outselling PC's and laptops 4:1. The odds are in favor of mobile internet. Hugely in favor.

But rather than take my word for it or all these facts and figures, it would be wise for any one to do diligent research before making any investment of any type. I treat domains as a share of stock in a commodity. Each domain is a share of stock. You wouldn't blindly buy stock in a company without doing your own research, would you?

I conducted my own research on this topic for months on end and continue to do so. I was not a land rusher and did not reg any mobi's until mid-January 2007. No one sold me on it, no one talked me into it, and no one tried to talk me out of it. The research was done and the plans were put into motion.

I am equally not trying to sell anyone on the purchase of a .mobi. But at the same time, until someone can come up with their own research to counter the effort put into this, then all I am seeing is opinions.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions. But it is also nice to have a little bit of evidence to support a claim before just stating opinions. That is what I am doing. Again, not trying to sell a damn thing here. But wondering what everyone else is trying to sell or protect me from.

The odds are overwhelmingly in my favor that this will succeed. Not only the odds, but the evidence is there. Do I need to quote it all? Or is there a chance some one can do their own due diligence and research themselves. I did. Feel free to bookmark this thread and revisit it in a year.

As for how much of these posts were written on cell phones is not suitable to enter in this equation. This forum is not mobile compatible and would take forever to access this site. And can you imagine my thumbs on a qwerty keyboard banging all this out? Plus, I have better things to do and better sites to visit on my Helio Ocean than DNF. I know, I know, what a shock

I'm not saying that the sales aren't legitimate. They very well might be. All I'm saying is that the sales have been way too inflated for a very new extension. Even the most ardent of .mobi lovers won't deny that the extension needs at least 5 more years to mature (as the infrastructure matures).

Time will tell about .mobi. To me, its just happening way too fast, way too soon, and way too easily.

To me, its just happening way too fast, way too soon, and way too easily.

Those words should look familiar. And I could not have said it any better.

You say that even the most ardent of .mobi lovers won't deny that the extension needs at least 5 more years to mature.

I deny it. Here and now.

We are talking about a global TLD, not as some might say a cc TLD. My research led me to pursue the emerging markets and trends in other nations and parts of the globe that were being impacted first by the technology and innovation.

Consider this. We want to talk about it will take this and take that to be mainstream. What exactly will it take and how long? It seems the only ones debating it is domainers. In the end, the consumer will decide what is best for their uses and lifestyles. And the smart companies are going to them rather than wait for the consumer to come to the company.

I perhaps have more faith but it is not blind faith. I have equal convictions of my other "domain shares" in my portfolio.

Yes it is happening fast.

Glad I didn't wait too long.

[sdsinc]

Originally Posted by Vision

...
Certain people under the disguise of "constructive criticism" have the motive to make MOBI look bad because they consider MOBI an increasing threat to their already established domain investments and PPC income. They certainly don’t want to lose any visitors/income/attention to MOBI and the more a new extension, like .mobi becomes successful, the more it will be the subject of their constant libelous attacks.
...

Not quite. Personally I am more into .com but I love .net/.org ccTLDs too.
I don't see the other TLDs (including .mobi) as a threat to .com.
I said I have zero confidence in .mobi so there is no reason why I should I feel 'threatened'.
Perhaps .mobi is driving more attention right now but nothing to worry about... .com remains a valeur sûre. Only a tiny fraction among the mobi fanatics believe that .mobi is going to unthrone .com (but yes, there are people who believe that ).
Now let me repeat: the .mobi sales are impressive, no question about it. But it's hype. I have to say the registry has been doing a nice job pumping up the extension. But I doubt the état de grâce can last forever.
Of course the market decides
Speculation is one thing, in itself it can be a positive sign (market confidence).
On the other hand .eu is a prime example of how greed and speculation can effectively kill a TLD. Now tell me if you see the same ingredients here

[DomainsInc]

No matter what you think of the guy who bought them, it takes two (at least) to achieve the prices those domains achieved. So hes not the only one willing to pay big bucks for them.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

No matter what you think of the guy who bought them, it takes two (at least) to achieve the prices those domains achieved. So hes not the only one willing to pay big bucks for them.

From what I have seen posted and read on other sites and blogs, there were at least three going after the top names.

[simon johnson]

As a domainer and someone who has managed many domain names for some very large multinational companies, I thought I'd chime in with a few comments:

1. Most multi-national companies will by any domain extension, just to protect their intellectual property (brands, trademarks etc..). Their marketing, IT or legal budgets will accommodate, so they can stand up and say "yes - I'm doing my job - we have the whole set". If someone else registers it, then they just have to wait 5 mins for a TM lawsuit.

2. "Joe public" knows .com and .net. As for the others: .mobi and even .biz are still relatively unknown domain extensions to the average (some may say uncultured) Internet user.

3. Names like .mobi come down to intent. What are you going to use the domain for? Is it an asset? Are you going to develop it? Is it just for mobile content?

Not sure how many of you use the Internet on a mobile. I do, and I can honestly say there is no difference to me in domain extension. In my view, its going to be a VERY long time before anyone visits a .mobi because its for "mobile content" as opposed to wap.domain.com, mobi.domain.com or even www.domain.com/mobi - and of course, that is even if the website wants to distinguish between content types.

Obviously we see some crazy stuff going on at auction. Are these names being bought up by visionaries, me too's or do buyers have more $$ than sense? Only time will tell.

At the end of the day, my feeling is that no matter the extension, generic, dictionary words are of value - as to what that value is, the market will decide.