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    Quote Originally Posted by brian1234 View Post
    Yes RD, 'tis still "petty cash" to some.. I think the "traffic" question, for .РФ, would have to be a case of intelligent guesswork, since there is no past-performance to go on. Do you agree?

    Or, should we look to (russian) idn.com for possible traffic indicators?

    One thing is for sure, it will be interesting to see what happens here...
    It is a developing market so the cake is getting bigger exponentially.

    Dot RU is clearly finished, or a least will be phased out.

    The question of who gets what as the size of the cake is open to debate, but there is clearly room for both .РФ and dot Com or its aliases.

    Dot Com is here in the here and now and will benefit from the landrush publicity of .РФ. The perceived transparency of dot com ownership will also help. It could go anwhere either way between 50-50 and 90-10 but in by anyones calculations top generics in either extension in cyrillic characters are going to be worth a great deal of money. The current record of $216K will not stand for long.

    Quote Originally Posted by dominator View Post
    even this small value (not recognized by you) will drop
    I take it you must be a dot ME or dot Mobi investor then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dominator View Post
    the value of idn.com's will drop
    How did this get turned in to an "idn.com will fail" thread?! My comment wasn't whether idn.com was an indicator of 'value', for РФ, but whether it might be useful in determining possible 'traffic' levels for the extension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubber Duck View Post
    Dot RU is clearly finished, or a least will be phased out.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rubber Duck View Post
    top generics in either extension in cyrillic characters are going to be worth a great deal of money.
    i doubt

    Quote Originally Posted by Rubber Duck View Post
    I take it you must be a dot ME or dot Mobi investor then?
    you are wrong

    i am not
    maybe you are
    (because you are thinking about .mEobi when we are talking about russia)

    Quote Originally Posted by brian1234 View Post
    How did this get turned in to an "idn.com will fail" thread
    i did not use the word "fail"
    but .rf will replace idn.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by dominator View Post
    i did not use the word "fail" but .rf will replace idn.com
    Dominator, we will have to crown you 'king of the sweeping statements' today!

    You are entitled to believe what you want, but I think the truth is that idn.com and idn.idn will (happily or otherwise) co-exist with one another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian1234 View Post
    You are entitled to believe what you want, but I think the truth is that idn.com and idn.idn will (happily or otherwise) co-exist with one another.
    "otherwise" is what i meant
    not happily (for idn.com)

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    One thing holding back russian-idn.com now is that Russians are so used to typing in english-letters.ru. If .РФ really starts replacing .ru in the future, Russians will get used to typing domains in Russian, and idn.com may really benefit from that. .RU is the extension that will probably get hurt the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok10 View Post
    One thing holding back russian-idn.com now is that Russians are so used to typing in english-letters.ru. If .РФ really starts replacing .ru in the future, Russians will get used to typing domains in Russian, and idn.com may really benefit from that. .RU is the extension that will probably get hurt the most.
    Dot RU = Dodo

    The future of the Russian Internet will be decided by Russian Residents quite a few of whom are now hanging out IDNF are investing in Cyrillic dot Com, perhaps to some degree because the only alternative is the Cyrillic version of dot SU.

    Anyway, the important think is that it won't be decided by those that if endowed with the description Clueless would simply be being bestowed too much credibility.

    And no I don't have anything outside Dot Com, Dot Net, Dot JP and Dot CN, and I have junked all the ASCII that I held in the latter, and only hold a couple of dozen ccTLDs anyway to monitor the traffic. I have found that there really isn't anything to get exited about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rubber Duck View Post
    Dot RU = Dodo

    The future of the Russian Internet will be decided by Russian Residents
    Couldn't agree more RD, and if you will permit me to append "the media" to that conclusion then I think we will have covered all bases

    Russia is a rich and diverse country, and at the risk of repeating myself, I believe there will be opportunities for .РФ and .com. Are existing .ru holders not (automatically) getting the equivalent in .РФ then?.. as happened with the Serbian (.rs) registry recently...
    Last edited by brian1234; 07-12-2009 at 02:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dominator View Post
    i doubt
    Nothing can replace idn.com It is used worldwide -- from Thailand to the Norway and there are thousands of websites using idn.com. Even the Germans are buying IDN.com IDN.de IDN.org IDN.net IDN.info it's been pretty amazing to watch this year.

    As each cctld converts to IDN.IDN, the value of IDN.com will only increase...along with traffic. IMO

    The guys/gals I really feel for are the ones who are going to have to upgrade from IE/5 or IE/6 and make their offices' web experience more 21st Century friendly. They've only had about the last 10 years to do it....
    Last edited by phio; 07-12-2009 at 11:20 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phio View Post
    Nothing can replace idn.com It is used worldwide -- from Thailand to the Norway and their are thousands of websites using idn.com. Even the Germans are buying IDN.com IDN.de IDN.org IDN.net IDN.info it's been pretty amazing to watch this year...
    germans?

    very poor example

    you probably have no idea about the value of .de and of german gTLDs (ascii or idn)
    .de has 10 times to 1000 times higher value than the same german word(s) in any other tld (including .com)

    (and even .de idn's are rarely used - meaning in real business, not only for parking)

    and norway?

    most words do not have any special characters and gTLDs in most cases are still free to register...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dominator View Post
    germans?

    very poor example

    you probably have no idea about the value of .de and of german gTLDs (ascii or idn)
    .de has 10 times to 1000 times higher value than the same german word(s) in any other tld (including .com)

    (and even .de idn's are rarely used - meaning in real business, not only for parking)

    and norway?

    most words do not have any special characters and gTLDs in most cases are still free to register...
    You're right, I have no idea what .de's are worth. I think I'll just drop all my German IDN.coms, especially the ones that are getting traffic.

    Norway?, where the hell is Norway?


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    Quote Originally Posted by phio View Post
    I think I'll just drop all my German IDN.coms, especially the ones that are getting traffic.

    Norway?, where the hell is Norway?

    i didn't say you have to drop them
    (yes, some of them can be used for parking, i did mention parking)

    you mentioned germany and norway, so don't be surprised now

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    So all hopes and plans of ruIDN.com owners is that their portfolio will have value from traffic that will come from typos of .rf?

    Pure fun.

    We will stick to generic English/Spanish .com's

    It is just not worth it to spend $5k - $200k for a decent ruIDN.com which is still a typo and will be treated like one.
    For sale at fair prices: Palermo.com, MensJewelry.com, RefinanceMortgageRates.com, Liana.com, InteriorDesignIdeas.com, TradingAccount.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by ok10 View Post
    One thing holding back russian-idn.com now is that Russians are so used to typing in english-letters.ru. If .РФ really starts replacing .ru in the future, Russians will get used to typing domains in Russian, and idn.com may really benefit from that. .RU is the extension that will probably get hurt the most.
    Let’s not forget that all geos and most of adult terms (and who knows what else) will be reserved by .rf, making idn.com the only idn alternative.
    Last edited by Explorer; 07-13-2009 at 11:05 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dominator View Post
    (yes, some of them can be used for parking, i did mention parking)
    for me it's been develop develop develop...

    already sold a nice IDN website to an end-user in the middle east. If it wasn't developed -- he may not of even bothered.. I'm certain he was saying to himself. I want that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phio View Post
    already sold a nice IDN website to an end-user in the middle east.
    in russian?

    Quote Originally Posted by phio View Post
    If it wasn't developed -- he may not of even bothered.. I'm certain he was saying to himself. I want that!
    i can agree with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by valeria View Post
    So all hopes and plans of ruIDN.com owners is that their portfolio will have value from traffic that will come from typos of .rf?

    Pure fun.

    We will stick to generic English/Spanish .com's

    It is just not worth it to spend $5k - $200k for a decent ruIDN.com which is still a typo and will be treated like one.
    I wouldn't sweat it. The way things are going you'll be lucky to get an ice cream at the street corner for that.
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