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[Rubber Duck]

Yes, Folks it is here!

[Avensen]

Great news!

[Rubber Duck]

Yes, we are not actually quite there yet as all the different language need to be released via Automatic updates which should commence in about 2 weeks time, but effectively the roll out of universal browser support for IDN is occur as I type this message.

[Beachie]

I just installed IE7 - what a freakin' mess! I've had it installed 10 minutes and the following is already bugging me:

1) You can't get the "File" menu above the URL bar. Practically every common application in Windows, MacOS and xwindow has a File menu at the top - why change that?!? The URL bar at the top of the window looks dumb.

2) I use the Google toolbar (especially PR), but now I have two Google search boxes in my toolbar - how stupid is that? You can't turn the in-built search box off. I also like to have the Google bar directly above the rendering area, but now it's lost above the tab crap (don't get me started on tabbed browsing). Even if you disable tabbed browsing, it's impossible to move the toolbar that contains the "Home", "Print", "Favorites" etc buttons. They have to be at the bottom.

3) There is no horizontal delineation between the toolbars, so the file menu, my custom links, and the Google bar are just a big mass of buttons and links on one panel.

4) The "back" and "forward" buttons are at the very top left of the window, and the "refresh" and "stop" buttons are at the end of the URL box, and they're annoyingly small. I'm computer-literate and I have perfect eye-sight, so if it bugs me it'll drive the non-literate people insane.

5) The "Home" button is stupidly tiny - I probably use that button every 30 seconds, 12 hours a day. Yes, it's possible to use large icons, but with all the added fat of the toolbars I lose about 25% of my screen height.

[Rubber Duck]

Well if these issues are so critical you should have participated earlier on the Microsoft Blog. They have been asking and responding to opinions for most for more than a year now. Where were you when your expertise was being sort? Still not too late the process is ongoing.

[MediaHound]

Pretty good news!

[VisualDigits]

Why does my IE7 browser open this page: http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=74005 by default? I changed my homepage to google and it's still there.

[PeterMan]

Personally I really do not like IE7. I have no idea why Microsoft has to make everyhitng so clunky and just plain more difficult to use than everyone else... Just my opinion, obviously...

[katherine]

Opera rules :greensmilewinkgrin:

[Rubber Duck]

Maybe but just how many languages is Opera actually available in?

[simon]

do you know what i like best about ie7? its no other than
www.ie7.com

enjoy

[MediaHound]

while we're at it:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/

[dtobias]

I use SeaMonkey too. I've never, ever, used any version of MSIE as my primary browser.

[MediaHound]

SeaMonkey 1.1a rocks! Life will never be the same

[Beachie]

Well if these issues are so critical you should have participated earlier on the Microsoft Blog. They have been asking and responding to opinions for most for more than a year now. Where were you when your expertise was being sort? Still not too late the process is ongoing.

I'm a busy guy. Microsoft spends millions to employ people to get it right..

My prediction is that if IE7 is sent out in the updates in a couple of weeks in it's present form, we'll see a significant drop in Microsoft's share of the browser "market" by Christmas (I'm a die-hard IE user, by the way).

[EDIT]
Following your suggestion, I just dropped by the IE7 Blog and had a read of all the comments from people saying exactly what I said, as far back as Beta 1. Then I read a few comments from people after the final release asking why Microsoft didn't listen to popular opinion..


where the hell are the fixes?

is this what you call "we have been listening to our users" ?

Just because there's a deadline you shouldn't send crappy software out.

and yeah the url bar is still in a static position.

screw that i'm going to opera.

you guys really really really screwed up this release.

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[Rubber Duck]

Well if you are a die hard IE user, but think IE 7 sucks, then we can only assume that you are a really big fan of IE 6.

Well, enough said. I am not one to mock the afflicted.

My only grudge against IE6 is the single biggest impediment to the development of the Internet. The fact that is a security nightmare doesn't bother me because I haven't used it for some time. As an IDNer, I have used a lot of browser over the last 2 years. It doesn't take much to provide a better experience than IE6 in my opinion, and none of the alternative was ever comparatively a disappointment. I am very anti-Microsoft, but I am afraid I have to take my hat off to them over IE7, because although it has taken about 5 times longer than it should have they have finally produce a very worthy product.

[Beachie]

Well if you are a die hard IE user, but think IE 7 sucks, then we can only assume that you are a really big fan of IE 6.

Well, enough said. I am not one to mock the afflicted.

My only grudge against IE6 is the single biggest impediment to the development of the Internet. The fact that is a security nightmare doesn't bother me because I haven't used it for some time. As an IDNer, I have used a lot of browser over the last 2 years. It doesn't take much to provide a better experience than IE6 in my opinion, and none of the alternative was ever comparatively a disappointment. I am very anti-Microsoft, but I am afraid I have to take my hat off to them over IE7, because although it has taken about 5 times longer than it should have they have finally produce a very worthy product.

Maybe you're suffering IDN blindness. Do you think the fact that you have a vested interest in the success of IE7 might be why you're touting it so rampantly (like you do with IDN), and denouncing anyone who critisizes it (like you do with IDN)? Anyone paying attention around here knows you're a one-trick pony.

[Rubber Duck]

Maybe you're suffering IDN blindness. Do you think the fact that you have a vested interest in the success of IE7 might be why you're touting it so rampantly (like you do with IDN), and denouncing anyone who critisises it (like you do with IDN)? Anyone paying attention around here knows you're a one-trick pony.

IDN blindness is an affliction of the ASCII community.

IE7 is the first browser to adequately address the browsing needs of a global internet community. That is why it is important and that is why it will ultimately be a massive success. It is also going out a high priority update starting 2nd of November, so love it or hate it, it will have surplanted the scelerotic IE6 by year end.

A one trick pony. Interesting expression, but one would assume that it relates to those investing in a single extension in a single language. Check out the latest Google revenue growth figures. Is this all coming form a US economy that is mired in a deep crisis. Well, if you think so, I guess you know best

[dodo1]

I've been using IE7 since the first beta version and I LOVE it! In fact, it is the best browser I've ever used, as it is clean, fast and easy-to-use. Just the way I like it.

Beachie, I understand your points and I agree with you that MS should have added options so that people could change the position and size of the menu bar and buttons, although I like IE7 as-is and I'd never change its clear layout... often I'm even browsing in full screen.

Btw, I have also downloaded and tested the new FF2RC3. The FF tabbed browsing has been improved significantly and is now more similar to IE7 (which was better), yet I prefer IE7 due to the better look-and-feel.

On slow machines FF is the way to go though, because browsing websites is usually faster with FF (though the actual loading of the sites is faster with IE, in my experience). Anyway, on not-so-slow computers there is almost no difference in speed between the two browsers.

[Beachie]

IDN blindness is an affliction of the ASCII community.

IE7 is the first browser to adequately address the browsing needs of a global internet community. That is why it is important and that is why it will ultimately be a massive success. It is also going out a high priority update starting 2nd of November, so love it or hate it, it will have surplanted the scelerotic IE6 by year end.

A one trick pony. Interesting expression, but one would assume that it relates to those investing in a single extension in a single language. Check out the latest Google revenue growth figures. Is this all coming form a US economy that is mired in a deep crisis. Well, if you think so, I guess you know best

Presumably, by that logic, snow blindness is an affliction of desert dwellers?

Most of Google's income comes from the US, CA and UK, so yes. How did they become such a powerhouse in only 8 years? Chinese traffic?

IDN domains might start to attract some traffic, but on a visitor-for-visitor basis, you'll make a lot less money from it. Why? GDP per capita. Advertisers have to convert those clicks to sales, and there is less likelyhood in low income countries.

Anyway, I'm not gonna waste more time arguing the toss. Good luck with it.