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**Rubber Duck** · 11-30-2005, 01:51 PM

It looks as though Top Level mapping is going to be done at the Root Servers after all.

http://icann.org/announcements/dname...gn-17nov05.pdf

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Dave Wrixon

**ForumDomains** · 11-30-2005, 04:01 PM

Thank you for that link.

**touchring** · 11-30-2005, 10:07 PM

Oh, anyone care to explain in layman terms what's the implication. E.g. IDN can resolve better？

**Rubber Duck** · 12-01-2005, 06:06 AM

It looks at though Verisign are well advanced in development of method of putting first level resolution into the DNS system. They are also looking for clearance in pushing ahead with a Testbed. This will mean that all our domains will soon resolve the dot com and dot nets even if they are typed in local characters. The proposals will mean that the Registries will be responsible for decided which local characters their extension map to, with ICANN acting as arbiteur in the case dispute.

In our situation, the specific relevance is that in Arabic we will own the local equivalent of com.com and net.net. That should greatly enhance their value!

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**Bramiozo** · 12-01-2005, 12:58 PM

That's good news indeed, this idn.idn possibility is a big no no for speculators, it's very reasonable to think that if idn.com could be a success, idn.idn would be an ever greater success making idn.com's redundant.

How will this interfere with the chinese efforts to implement an .idn solution ?

**Rubber Duck** · 12-01-2005, 01:24 PM

IDN.COM -> IDN.IDN. They are not going to be something different, just a different way of inputting and viewing the same thing!!!

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Dave Wrixon

**Bramiozo** · 12-01-2005, 02:18 PM

That's why it's good news, we are on the same page dave

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**touchring** · 12-08-2005, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by dwrixon

IDN.COM -> IDN.IDN. They are not going to be something different, just a different way of inputting and viewing the same thing!!!

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Dave Wrixon

If there's no control over what comes after the dot, wouldn't there be complete chaos?

Who is going to decide what is the idn for com for example, it can be commercial, company, corporation, which are different words for chinese for example.

**Rubber Duck** · 12-08-2005, 04:11 AM

Well there will of course be some control over what goes after the dot, but it would seem that registries will have the biggest say. It all has to be input into the DNS, so nothing will work until it has been sanctioned by ICANN.

What has just occurred to me is that if the domains are done by aliasing, there is probably no reason why all second level domains in IDN cannot be presented as first level. The Chinese have already been tinkering with their own DNS internally to make IDN.IDN resolve and they have three that resolve as top level IDN, but they obviously currently have only one top level country code. If the Dname proposal is carried, I cannot see why the 30 or second level domains that already exist, could not be aliased by first level Chinese characters. That woud create the possibly of China effectively creating a virtually unlimited number of top level IDN. Now that would promote some debate!!!

Perhaps Dname could then be extended to aliasing ASCII domains and then we would effectively have the flat name space that is being advocated by a fervent minority. This could be done without any detriment to existing system, but the Aliases would be universal and would not require a pluggin. It could also be a useful little money spinner for ICANN, as I guess a fee of $10,000 dollar a year for a Dname alias would not be excessive. The only terms that would be invalid would be those reserved for TLDs, that would mean that anything over four characters would definitely be valid. Dot info is the only fly in the oinment for permitting anything over 3 characters, but I don't suppose that would be an insurmountable problem.

It could be that any Top Level request with more than 3 characters, be referred straight to the Dname system before going through the DNS. Browsers that redirect requests to Google and Yahoo results would of course need to be banned.

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Dave Wrixon

**RareIQ** · 12-11-2005, 08:53 PM

:santa: is coming to town............

**Rubber Duck** · 12-12-2005, 02:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by doughmeins

:santa: is coming to town............

Well, I decided to put these ideas forward and was actually quite surprised by the prompt and positive response that I received.

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Dave Wrixon

Banned: denny007 · 12-12-2005, 03:29 AM

I actually I do not see reason, why can not be ANYTHING after the dot. I think there is the future of domains...

**none** · 12-12-2005, 03:38 AM

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I actually I do not see reason, why can not be ANYTHING after the dot. I think there is the future of domains...

You're right. A possible argument would be that TLDs decrease DN resolution time due to more efficient indexing, but it's probably not a very convincing argument.

Here's a question... given the chaos and unfairness of the .EU sunrise registration process, how would the no-TLD registration work?

Banned: denny007 · 12-12-2005, 04:23 AM

There would not be anything like "extension manager" (i.e. .com, .net = Verisign, .info = Afilias etc.). Everyone could create anything, just be ICANN acredited registrar. That would not only create healthy competition with prices like $1 per domain. That would also cut the recent crazy "value" of .com domains. And also it would be PARADISE for typos. I believe this WILL happen in the future. Then arrises new "domain kings", because a whole new era of unending possibilities will open. Where smart guys succeeds, not those who just happened to start 10 years earlier

**Rubber Duck** · 12-12-2005, 05:15 AM

If the DNAME solution is implemented this could actually happen very quickly!

The extensionless domains would be KEYWORDS similar to the systems already operating, but would be Universal and would not require a plug-in.

Yes, it conceivable that these keywords could effectively be directed to IP numbers and yes it conceivable that unofficial domain registrars could be launched on the back of this. Much would depend on the contractual arrangements of the prospective registrars had with ICANN. For this to work they would need some guarantee of tenure over the keywords. Nobody, would want to register second level on a Keyword, if there was no certainy of tenure over the Keyword itself.

The keywords that permitted the setting up of such unofficial system clearly would be a lot more than $1 a year, but it is conceivable that if there were sufficient competition, the second level could be sold on very competitively. What the actual viable commercial value would be is very difficult to speculate on. It would depend on the revenue/overhead equation for each operation. I think $1 is not a sustainable level, but who knows!

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Dave Wrixon