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[Wot]

Originally Posted by mulligan

Can you IDN lovers stop with the rationalization already? Time is short and my list of IDNs available to register is growing smaller by the hour!

Mine seems to get smaller the older I get.

[nameslave]

Originally Posted by Fearless

Did you forget about mobee?

P-L-EASE, do you really need to showcase your ignorance? IDN.IDN is of a totally different magnitude (than .mobi).

For those who live in a bubble (of an English only world, AND don't have 1 single non-English speaking friend or even acquaintance), people around the world are using computer and surfing the web IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGES (e.g. the Chinese people are discussing on Chinese vBulletin forums and blogging in Chinese WordPress).

Wake up.

[Fearless]

Originally Posted by nameslave

P-L-EASE, do you really need to showcase your ignorance? IDN.IDN is of a totally different magnitude (than .mobi).

For those who live in a bubble (of an English only world, AND don't have 1 single non-English speaking friend or even acquaintance), people around the world are using computer and surfing the web IN THEIR OWN LANGUAGES (e.g. the Chinese people are discussing on Chinese vBulletin forums and blogging in Chinese WordPress).

Wake up.

Yeah but there a 3 gazillion cellphones. Did you stop to think about that?

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

May be but did he tell you who gets to own the دوت.دوت?

The answer to that is effectively already in the policy, but nobody is yet spelling it out clearly.

دوت.com will not be useless even if it is not much used directly, as that will be the foundation stone for all the Dot com variants that follow subsequently and will eventually be aliased to it. There are NOT going to 150 different dot Com registries all run by different organizations. There IS going to be a single dot com registry but different manifestations of the same extension. So most of these won't be domains but Virtual Domains, as they won't have an independent existence.

Ok, I'm trying to understand this. Soon China will be able to have idn.ChineseCharacters4Com. Domainers already went out and bought a ton of idn.coms. One could have been ChineseCharactersSonyEricsson.com.
Now Sony has to buy from a domainer ChineseCharactersSonyEricsson.com? They can't just register from a registry ChineseCharactersSonyEricsson.ChineseCharacters4Co m?

This ICANN announcement appears to be bad news for all those that bought idn.coms.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by Fearless

Yeah but there a 3 gazillion cellphones. Did you stop to think about that? Ok, I'm trying to understand this. Soon China will be able to have idn.ChineseCharacters4Com. Domainers already went out and bought a ton of idn.coms. One could have been ChineseCharactersSonyEricsson.com. Now Sony has to buy from a domainer ChineseCharactersSonyEricsson.com? They can't just register from a registry ChineseCharactersSonyEricsson.ChineseCharacters4Co m? This ICANN announcement appears to be bad news for all those that bought idn.coms.

The cellphones are already IDN friendly. Beyond that no bad news, the ICANN announcement basically confirmed the rollout of idn.idn, to allow "internationalization after the dot", as well as open the doors for new IDN extensions. It's really all pretty simple.

And in the case of your example, Sony can WIPO their name back, IDN.com get no special treatment or protection.

[Fearless]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

The cellphones are already IDN friendly. Beyond that no bad news, the ICANN announcement basically confirmed the rollout of idn.idn, to allow "internationalization after the dot", as well as open the doors for new IDN extensions. It's really all pretty simple.

And in the case of your example, Sony can WIPO their name back, IDN.com get no special treatment or protection.

Sony doesn't need the idn.com. They may need or want the idn.idn.

The bad news is idn.com is even more worthless with this announcement. idn.com had no sunrise period. idn.com combination has to be the highest domainer ownership of any domain name group. It's even worse than mobee.
I see now that idn.idn has some value. Although I still have no interest in it.
The bulk of any traffic you may get has little value. IMHO

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by Fearless

Sony doesn't need the idn.com. They may need or want the idn.idn.

The bad news is idn.com is even more worthless with this announcement. idn.com had no sunrise period. idn.com combination has to be the highest domainer ownership of any domain name group. It's even worse than mobee.
I see now that idn.idn has some value. Although I still have no interest in it.
The bulk of any traffic you may get has little value. IMHO

Agree, IDN.com will take a big hit on this as more and more adoption for IDN.IDN takes place.

As for mobee...well, IDN.mobi is happening.

I know you are into that...heavily!

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by Fearless

Sony doesn't need the idn.com. They may need or want the idn.idn. The bad news is idn.com is even more worthless with this announcement. idn.com had no sunrise period. idn.com combination has to be the highest domainer ownership of any domain name group. It's even worse than mobee.I see now that idn.idn has some value. Although I still have no interest in it. The bulk of any traffic you may get has little value. IMHO

The deal on idn.idn and idn.com aliasing to idn.idn has been subject of years of discussion between ICANN, GNSO, ccNSO etc. The question is not whether it will happen, but WHEN. If you read the following you will realize that idn.com is cued up to be aliased to idn.idn in many languages.
The following links deal with the timing of idn.com and idn.cctld's aliasing so as not to disadvantage one another.

The GNSO Council, in its comments in Response to the ccNSO-GAC Issues Report on IDN Issues (http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/ccnso-g...se-20feb08.pdf), as well as in its comments on the IDNC WG Final Report (http://gnso.icann.org/issues/idn-tld...rt-14aug08.pdf) expressed that “the introduction of IDN gTLDs or IDN ccTLDs should not be delayed because of lack of readiness of one category, but if they are not introduced at the same time, steps should be taken so that neither category is advantaged or disadvantaged, and procedures should be developed to avoid possible conflicts.”

Further, the GNSO Council made a resolution in January 2009 to assert that “the GNSO Council strongly believes that neither the New gTLD or ccTLD fast track process should result in IDN TLDs in the root before the other unless both the GNSO and ccNSO so agree.”

As a matter of fact, VERISIGN authored this December 2005 document (link below) on DNAME for the system they proposed to alias idn.com to idn.idn.

http://www.icann.org/en/announcement...ld-12dec05.pdf

[Fearless]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

As a matter of fact, VERISIGN authored this December 2005 document (link below) on DNAME for the system they proposed to alias idn.com to idn.idn.

http://www.icann.org/en/announcement...ld-12dec05.pdf

Of course Verisign wants this. They are the .com registry. You IDN guys remind me so much of the mobee guys, grasping at straws.

[dominator]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

As a matter of fact, VERISIGN authored this December 2005 document (link below) on DNAME for the system they proposed to alias idn.com to idn.idn.

aliasing to .com is good for verisign and for current idn owners (.com)
(because their domains will only have additionally the alias idn extension, but they already own them)

on the other hand, new tld's that are not aliased to .com (like probably .рф)
or aliased to ccTLDs are bad for them

the value of them will be much higher than .com in most cases

[nameslave]

Originally Posted by Fearless

I see now that idn.idn has some value.

Good for you, esp. when you were "confused" just a couple of days ago. But if you ask me, one should really be LEARNING instead of commenting when he or she is barely next to clueless.

[Fearless]

Originally Posted by nameslave

Good for you, esp. when you were "confused" just a couple of days ago. But if you ask me, one should really be LEARNING instead of commenting when he or she is barely next to clueless.

At least I didn't waste money on worthless idn.coms. You did though.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by Fearless

At least I didn't waste money on worthless idn.coms. You did though.

If you are going to rebuke the links and documentation provided above to the OFFICIAL correspondence from ICANN, GNSO, AND ccNSO regarding aliasing of cctlds and gtlds, at least provide some "links" or references to some official documentation, letters, etc. to back up what YOU are saying.

On a side note...there are many IDN domainers that want to keep their idn.com as idn.com as .com is a recognizable brand and (we are told by some natives) .com is fashionable shiek in many countries.

Many IDN (Russian .com in particular) are earning over $100 a month each just parked and the party hasn't started.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

.com is a recognizable brand and (we are told by some natives) .com is fashionable shiek in many countries.

I just wonder how long that is going to last.

With the intro of IDN.IDN, the internet may become VERY segregated. Nationalism may play a key role in many places and the new way of connecting to the internet may become the norm rather than fashionable.

When you consider the size and populations of India and China, that is a lot of potential traffic to be lost when they go native.

In regards to "being first", if someone parks a name and does not really offer content, someone snatching up the IDN counterpart and going with a live site could be damaging to the .com

All of this...time will tell. And time is on the side of IDN's as they become the "norm" globally.

[Fearless]

Originally Posted by dominator

aliased to ccTLDs

This is much more likely than aliased to .com, example: (IDN)China.(IDN)cn alias to (IDN)China.cn. Aliasing to .com would be a slap in the face for these countries. Verisign money wields a lot of influence but there's much more money for ICANN in new registrations.

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by Fearless

This is much more likely than aliased to .com, example: (IDN)China.(IDN)cn alias to (IDN)China.cn. Aliasing to .com would be a slap in the face for these countries. Verisign money wields a lot of influence but there's much more money for ICANN in new registrations.

Plans are to alias BOTH idn.cn, idn.jp etc. (cctlds) AND idn.com, idn.net (gtlds) etc. That is what all fuss with ICANN in Korea was all about. Same with the documents above...all about aliasing cctlds and gtlds.

Further, the GNSO Council made a resolution in January 2009 to assert that “the GNSO Council strongly believes that neither the New gTLD or ccTLD fast track process should result in IDN TLDs in the root before the other unless both the GNSO and ccNSO so agree.”

Everybody is heading to the idn.idn party, just no firm timeline at this point.

Of course, if someone has any documents or legit information to the contrary, please post it up.

[Doc Com]

I read that ICANN will start accepting applications for IDN next month.

From what I understand, they are expecting 12-25 applications.

[mjnels]

Greg i still havnt received your paypal payment for all those mobi domains you bought from me last week.

the total is $508,627.34... 2% discount given for bank wire transfer.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Fearless

This is much more likely than aliased to .com, example: (IDN)China.(IDN)cn alias to (IDN)China.cn. Aliasing to .com would be a slap in the face for these countries. Verisign money wields a lot of influence but there's much more money for ICANN in new registrations.

Actually, I think you will find that ICANN makes most of its money on its gTLD tax of about 50 cents a name. It makes very little from ccTLDs, IDN or otherwise. Verisign pays the piper.

Originally Posted by Doc Com

I just wonder how long that is going to last.

With the intro of IDN.IDN, the internet may become VERY segregated. Nationalism may play a key role in many places and the new way of connecting to the internet may become the norm rather than fashionable.

When you consider the size and populations of India and China, that is a lot of potential traffic to be lost when they go native.

In regards to "being first", if someone parks a name and does not really offer content, someone snatching up the IDN counterpart and going with a live site could be damaging to the .com

All of this...time will tell. And time is on the side of IDN's as they become the "norm" globally.

Well the only place there are likely to be new IDN to register is in cyrillic ccTLDs and in any case it is not clear that they will actually beat IDN.com to market. If Verisign is given the go ahead to alias, it could all happen very quickly. The IP crowd have derailed the New gTLD bandwagon, and the only part of that which can be put back on the tracks quickly is are the IDN equivalent of the existing gTLDs. Watch this Space.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

The IP crowd have derailed the New gTLD bandwagon, and the only part of that which can be put back on the tracks quickly is are the IDN equivalent of the existing gTLDs. Watch this Space.

Somehow ICANN was placed in a situation of providing what they had been promising for years - true IDN. Once the trial was done and this whole phenom became public, there was a newly revived push to make this happen and get on the "fast track". So yes, IDN became the focus of ICANN.

The new TLD thing keeps getting pushed back on the calendar. But I think this is also going to be adopted in short time once the IDN crowd is happy. There is too much press and big names (and money) behind the adoption of brand TLD's.

I think what amazes me most is reading in early spring (I think it was about the Mexico City meeting?) that IDN may become a reality by December '09. I am very impressed that they actually may have accomplished something in a specified timeline.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Somehow ICANN was placed in a situation of providing what they had been promising for years - true IDN. Once the trial was done and this whole phenom became public, there was a newly revived push to make this happen and get on the "fast track". So yes, IDN became the focus of ICANN.

The new TLD thing keeps getting pushed back on the calendar. But I think this is also going to be adopted in short time once the IDN crowd is happy. There is too much press and big names (and money) behind the adoption of brand TLD's.

I think what amazes me most is reading in early spring (I think it was about the Mexico City meeting?) that IDN may become a reality by December '09. I am very impressed that they actually may have accomplished something in a specified timeline.

What they have achieved is accepting credit for hard work done by others whilst they were procrastinating and picking their butts.