Wall Street Journal - "Web Alphabet Set To Change."

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by Rubber Duck

What they have achieved is accepting credit for hard work done by others whilst they were procrastinating and picking their butts.

Well, of course! That trial last fall was basically others showing ICANN that this can be done and wanted to know what the heck the hold up is!!!

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by Fearless

The bad news is idn.com is even more worthless with this announcement. idn.com had no sunrise period. idn.com combination has to be the highest domainer ownership of any domain name group. It's even worse than mobee.
I see now that idn.idn has some value. Although I still have no interest in it. The bulk of any traffic you may get has little value. IMHO

So...you see some value in idn.idn, but idn.com is "even more worthless with this announcement". I guess you did not read the fine print.

You can read the ICANN transcript below, and the words of ICANN CEO Rod Beckstrom's about idn.com moving to become idn.idn.
This is not something new, the agreements to alias idn.com, etc to idn.idn between ICANN, GNSO, ccNSO, GAC etc were agreed long ago.

So for all thee doubters and naysayers about existing gTLD's move forward to IDN.IDN status...ICANN's Board transcript of Oct 30 is posted below.

http://sel.icann.org/meetings/seoul2...30oct09-en.txt

CEO Rod Beckstrom's Remarks:

ROD BECKSTROM: Thank you, Peter. I'd just like to express my appreciation to all those across the open Internet ecosystem who have
worked for many, many years to make this possible. And especially not only to the members of the ICANN community, but to the members of the Internet Engineering Task Force, the IETF, some of whom have worked for over a decade on this issue.

And this represents today one small step for ICANN, and the IETF, but it represents a very important and significant step for half the
world of Internet users. Those who use non-Latin scripts and their own language. This helps us live up to our shared goals of: One world, one Internet, everyone connected. Now, in people's own script.

And this first step allows them to use their own domain names in their own languages, but only for the country code domains, so
instead of dot Korea, they can have dot -- the set of Hangul symbols or, rather, symbols that represent Korea for them -- and this is an
important step. And yet there's many people around the world that would like to have the equivalents of the Latin TLDs such as dot com, dot net, dot org, and others in their own native scripts as well. This is an important next step that we need to continue working on. We, as a community, have not yet reached consensus on the final resolution of those other issues, but we have a moral responsibility in what we do for the public interest to push that forward. Otherwise, we are prejudicing the global domain name system against half of the world whose native languages are in those other scripts.

So I hope that to fulfill our obligation to act in the public interest, which we recently reaffirmed by signing the Affirmation of Commitments, that we will move forward swiftly and professionally and with due consideration to bring those issues to a closure, so that people in Thailand, in Korea, in India, and all over the world can truly use the Internet in their own script for their domain name needs. Thank you.

[dominator]

Originally Posted by bwhhisc

This is an important next step that we need to continue working on...

So I hope that to fulfill our obligation to act in the public interest...

sound like they need to continue working on it and hope to fulfill their obligation to act in the public interest...

but i still miss some facts

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by dominator

sound like they need to continue working on it and hope to fulfill their obligation to act in the public interest...

but i still miss some facts

Yep. Let’s sit and wait until everything is clear. Then we’ll simply get that realestate.com in Chinese or Russian for a reg fee.

[dominator]

Originally Posted by Explorer

Yep. Let’s sit and wait until everything is clear. Then we’ll simply get that realestate.com in Chinese or Russian for a reg fee.

if it will be aliased to idn.com, then somebody already has it
if not, then we have to wait anyway

[Explorer]

Originally Posted by dominator

if it will be aliased to idn.com, then somebody already has it
if not, then we have to wait anyway

The point is while some people are waiting for clear facts, others are busy building their portfolios by registering or buying domains like realestate.com in top languages.

[dominator]

Originally Posted by Explorer

others are busy building their portfolios by registering or buying domains like realestate.com in top languages.

since 2001

[bwhhisc]

Originally Posted by dominator

sound like they need to continue working on it and hope to fulfill their obligation to act in the public interest...
but i still miss some facts

ICANN has been answering some questions regarding aliasing existing idns by saying that many decisions are being made directly between the various "registrars".

Negotiated over the last 2 years was agreements that neither the gtlds or the cctlds would "disadvantage" one another. So it seems that the "fair' solution would be that they are aliased to .idn (com/jp, com/cn, etc) all within a short window.

At least the hard work is over after nearly a decades and .idn is finally going to become reality over the next year. Cheers to those domainers who have been sticking to and renewing since 2000'.

[.me]

For idn.idn, I heard the extension will spell out ".com" or ".net" in the foreign script, so if for example, the actual domain name means "apple" in the foreign language with a ".com" extension, will the page redirect to the English apple.com? Or will there now be plenty of apple.com's in many languages? What if they spell out the word "apple" (which probably means nothing in the native language), will that redirect them to apple.com?

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by .me

for example, the actual domain name means "apple" in the foreign language with a ".com" extension, will the page redirect to the English apple.com?

No they are seperate...

[dominator]

Originally Posted by .me

will that redirect them to apple.com?

The apple is the pomaceous fruit of the apple tree, species Malus domestica in the rose family Rosaceae. It is one of the most widely cultivated tree fruits.

the company does not own the fruit
(check apple.org)

the translations and transcriptions will not be automatically redirected
they must be registered

[.me]

Originally Posted by DNWizardX9

No they are seperate...

In that case, I hate to say it, but it may be a worthwhile investment to look into buying idn.idn domains. Don't think they're available to the public yet though.

[DNWizardX9]

There are plenty of threads regarding this subject. It is a worthy investment if you can get your hands on them... The good ones were taken years ago and with idn.idn aliasing the future looks promising to idn holders.

[.me]

If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time they're releasing idn.idn domains so the good ones can't possibly be taken yet. As for idn.coms, I'm not sure they will be worth too much b/c if people can just type in the full domain in their native language, why would they take the time to write the domain name in their language, then switch to English for the extension (.com)? Perhaps I'm missing something?

[Sarcle]

Originally Posted by .me

In that case, I hate to say it, but it may be a worthwhile investment to look into buying idn.idn domains. Don't think they're available to the public yet though.

The domains will be aliased to .idn. You can see the aliased domains already for CNNIC by doing a whois there. CNNIC has just been waiting years on Icann to implement this. .cn already resolves to it's .idn counterpart within China.

For example lets say I own newspaper.cn in IDN. Here are the variants that I already own and are reserved for me at the registry.

报纸.cn
报纸.中国
报纸.中國
報紙.中国
報紙.中國
報紙.cn


The same thing will be done with .com .net and the rest. Verisign has been working closely with China who has perfected this method of aliasing.

So they are available to the public. They just aren't live yet. Well outside of China anyways. Nov. 16th is coming fast!

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by Sarcle

For example lets say I own newspaper.cn in IDN. Here are the variants that I already own and are reserved for me at the registry.

报纸.cn
报纸.中国
报纸.中國
報紙.中国
報紙.中國
報紙.cn


The same thing will be done with .com .net and the rest. Verisign has been working closely with China who has perfected this method of aliasing.

So they are available to the public. They just aren't live yet. Well outside of China anyways. Nov. 16th is coming fast!

and my birthday is on nov 14th... is this the best gift or what!?

It would be even more enjoyable if you would push newspaper.cn to my account ;-)

thx very much jk

[Sarcle]

Originally Posted by DNWizardX9

and my birthday is on nov 14th... is this the best gift or what!?

It would be even more enjoyable if you would push newspaper.cn to my account ;-)

thx very much jk

You have some great ones already. Maybe we can work out a trade.

[DNWizardX9]

Originally Posted by Sarcle

You have some great ones already. Maybe we can work out a trade.

Never too late to conquer the market... idn.idn here we come

Contact me with your domination plans -

[Wot]

Originally Posted by .me

If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time they're releasing idn.idn domains so the good ones can't possibly be taken yet. As for idn.coms, I'm not sure they will be worth too much b/c if people can just type in the full domain in their native language, why would they take the time to write the domain name in their language, then switch to English for the extension (.com)? Perhaps I'm missing something?

The first part is incorrect in a number of cases particularly in China where idn.cn owners already own the variants as mentioned by Sarcie and most of the decent names have long gone.

IDN.com has two different camps where one thinks .com is and always will be king and others who think like you and see natives typing wholly in their own language- time will tell.

[DomainsInc]

where can you register these idn.idn and more importantly..how do you with an english keyboard?