why .eu only open for european country

**wohl** · 11-25-2005, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by dwrixon

Presumably somebody will have a look to see whether the terms are generic and whether the applications for Trademarks are recent. Shouldn't be too complicated to sift out such rubbish if they wish.

Unfortunately they can't be bothered to do that. All they will check is whether the trademark had been successfully registered at the time of the application.

**Rubber Duck** · 11-25-2005, 07:35 AM

As far as I was aware the Sunrise Period has not officially started yet, so I think it is probably early to draw final conclusions on the process. With the EU you maybe sure whatever the result, it will be arrived at through some enormously bureaucratic process. Just remember how long it has taken to arrive at this juncture!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

**Sheva** · 11-25-2005, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by wohl

Unfortunately they can't be bothered to do that. All they will check is whether the trademark had been successfully registered at the time of the application.

well, I spoke with a manager at eurid.eu and also with 2 ceo of european registrar and what they told me is that they will not give the domain to people that filed a TM few days or month ago, infact if you search on eurid.eu you can see that is in writing that the TM should be already registered so filed almost 2/3 years ago, they told me that they will check very well this and dont give the domain to the applicant just becaus a month ago filed for a TM.

**Vorty** · 11-25-2005, 01:33 PM

Originally Posted by Sheva

well, I spoke with a manager at eurid.eu and also with 2 ceo of european registrar and what they told me is that they will not give the domain to people that filed a TM few days or month ago, infact if you search on eurid.eu you can see that is in writing that the TM should be already registered so filed almost 2/3 years ago, they told me that they will check very well this and dont give the domain to the applicant just becaus a month ago filed for a TM.

That's good news! Thank you

**wohl** · 11-25-2005, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Sheva

well, I spoke with a manager at eurid.eu and also with 2 ceo of european registrar and what they told me is that they will not give the domain to people that filed a TM few days or month ago

I think you have either been misinformed or have misunderstood what someone has told you. If indeed recent trademarks are being blocked, when exactly is the cutoff point?

Originally Posted by Sheva

infact if you search on eurid.eu you can see that is in writing that the TM should be already registered so filed almost 2/3 years ago, they told me that they will check very well this and dont give the domain to the applicant just becaus a month ago filed for a TM.

It is true that a mere trademark application is not sufficient - the trademark must have been successfully registered.
But it doesn't take 2 years to register a trademark, some people have been able to register trademarks within a couple of months. And these new trademarks are just as valid as older ones according to the information I received from eurid/pwc.

**Rubber Duck** · 11-25-2005, 06:36 PM

Tears at Bedtime?

**wohl** · 11-26-2005, 07:38 AM

what?

**Rubber Duck** · 11-26-2005, 07:46 AM

Originally Posted by wohl

what?

Well, in order to have any chance of beating the landgrab, as I understand it, you would have to register a company (One for each domain) and then register you Trademark, you then have to pay the special fee for the Sunrise Period. In my view, many will do this and still fail to acquire their desired domain. It all appears to be a very high risk strategy from where I am looking at things. However, if individuals embark on what I regard as fraudulent behaviour and loose out, I will have very little sympathy.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

**teamwork** · 11-28-2005, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by friday

I agree.

Europe is a Region; The EU is geo political agreement. As a company would you like to limit yourself to this exclusivity of .eu? What does it say to your clients outside the EU? What next? .asean, .oecd or maybe .g8? Why not, but it leads to segregation. Do we need top level domains like this? Do we need geo political regions represented on the internet that portray exclusivity?

The cc tld's are and were a great idea. The generic tld's were great. The EU is not a country and by right should never have been granted top level status until all members of the EU ratify to become one country.

On another note, the internet is an incredible place in which real world barriers dissapear. I managed to register domains in the China and India cctld land rush. However, .EU feels like a barrier going up rather than coming down.

disagree a bit.
EU is not only geopolitical aggreement. It's mainly an economic union, since political unity stays a bit behind . Under the economic terms and developments, yes , a TLD for EU stands clearly in the right direction.

I can easily think of the need from SMEs or EU corps to expand their business from state to eu level (many do this).
And second, the need for european member states to strength further unification process (more political and economical relations) , it makes .eu one more milestone to the unification (one way or another) of europe.

And I don't see .eu as a border or europe limitation. .co.uk and .de have already proven that.
Time will tell if .eu will be a success but the 600+ already registrars it might be a sign that it's going to have some impact. I am just curious to see how fast it will got to 1 and 2 million regs and if finally succeeds to pass .de and .net

To contribute in the generic discussion going on with TMs, I will agree as Dave noticed in the thread , that its a risky strategy, but I suppose the guy who TMs porno, sex, poker and other popular keywords and have it's TM been accepted , will have 1/10,1/20 or 1/50 chances to get that name( if 10, 20 or 50 others have done the same in other member states). And then bingo. It costs a bit more ofcourse to go through the process of TM, but if you succeed it's worth it.

What are the chances to win the lotto anyway?Better ones?

**Rubber Duck** · 11-28-2005, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by teamwork

disagree a bit.

To contribute in the generic discussion going on with TMs, I will agree as Dave noticed in the thread , that its a risky strategy, but I suppose the guy who TMs porno, sex, poker and other popular keywords and have it's TM been accepted , will have 1/10,1/20 or 1/50 chances to get that name( if 10, 20 or 50 others have done the same in other member states). And then bingo. It costs a bit more ofcourse to go through the process of TM, but if you succeed it's worth it.

What are the chances to win the lotto anyway?Better ones?

I think by the time you have set up companies for each prospective, domain registered your trademark and dissolved the failed companies, it will cost your more than €1000 per name. If you only stand a one in twenty chance of success and I don't think many of these Trademarks are foregone conclusions, neither is their validity in the Sunrise, then you are taking a big risk for an extension that is only likely to fetch dot net prices, which have never really shone. I was approached to join such a syndicate, run by a dear friend, the one that told me what an IDN was! I backed away from the idea, but if anyone can do it he can!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon