why .eu only open for european country

[jacksonmui]

why .eu only open for european country pre-register, will .eu open for USA in a future? any idea all?

[VisualDigits]

I guess so. However, in the first phase they only allow Europeans.

[Banned: NickStagg]

A bit like .us only being available to US citizens then.......

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by NickStagg

A bit like .us only being available to US citizens then.......

Don't worry folks! We will sell them on at a reasonable price.

Mind you I think you be lucky to reg kissmybutt.eu. This is clearly going to be a big launch.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

[mole]

Originally Posted by dwrixon

Don't worry folks! We will sell them on at a reasonable price.

Ok, promise noted.

[Duncan]

Don't worry folks! We will sell them on at a reasonable price.

You work for EU Reg?

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by Duncan

You work for EU Reg?

No, but I preregisterd quite a few with Eurodns sometime ago! Hopeful we will get a few.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

[wohl]

Originally Posted by dwrixon

No, but I preregisterd quite a few with Eurodns sometime ago! Hopeful we will get a few.

if they're second-rate names you might stand a chance, if they have significant value they will be unavailable as there will be cheating galore in the sunrise phases.

eurid thinks its more important to allow a few disorganised companies a chance to get a late trademark on their name than it is to stop thousands of bogus applications taking all the best names out of circulation for the general public.

For example, there have been 7 recent trademark applications on the word 'dating' (most of them granted, some pending) in one trademark jurisdiction alone.

[jacksonmui]

do you think will open for all people register later on? any news how long will take? also do you think these short name one word .eu will worth something? like 3 or 4 figure value?

[Sheva]

Originally Posted by wohl

For example, there have been 7 recent trademark applications on the word 'dating' (most of them granted, some pending) in one trademark jurisdiction alone.

Hi, where did you saw this? am asking because a registrar told me that you cannot try or make application for a TM now but the TM need to be already registered because on the rule at eurid its in writing that the TM should be already registered.

[Vorty]

Originally Posted by jacksonmui

do you think will open for all people register later on? any news how long will take? also do you think these short name one word .eu will worth something? like 3 or 4 figure value?

Yes, it will open.

Europe population: 804,574,696

Internet Usage: 285,408,118 (2nd in world, after asia 332,590,713)

Soo... yes.. I think that they will worth much more than 4 figures! :-D

[jacksonmui]

any idea or news they will open for register? if a 3 charater name , how much they will worth do you think,

[Vorty]

Originally Posted by jacksonmui

any idea or news they will open for register? if a 3 charater name , how much they will worth do you think,

7 April 2006

See this: http://www.eurid.eu/en/euDomainNames/timetableLaunch

[jacksonmui]

i see, long way to go.........

[friday]

Top generic keywords have already been trademarked and as pointed out already multiple applications have been approved for the same keyword. There has been a massive abuse of tm's granted on generics and the purpose of the land rush is defeated.

Also, only 1/10 the EU population speaks english as their first language. One would need to have their domain in 5-6 of the major languages in the EU to have mass appeal. English, German, French & Spanish generics will probably have the most value, but it could take a long time to see a return. But for definate there will be very little left by the time the land rush comes along.

[dominator]

It is quite complicated to examine 25 trademark offices that allowed to register generics, why should they want more work if 125 countires would participate.

Anyway, for a new company that is not in the EU, I would need just a .com, .net (maybe also .info) and the local country domain name. ".com" is the #1 and will remain for at least another 10 years.

[wohl]

Originally Posted by Sheva

Hi, where did you saw this? am asking because a registrar told me that you cannot try or make application for a TM now but the TM need to be already registered because on the rule at eurid its in writing that the TM should be already registered.

benelux trademark database:
http://register.bmb-bbm.org/SearchMaskMain.asp
german trademark database
https://dpinfo.dpma.de/index_e.html
Example registered application:

Registration number
766209

Number, date and time of the filing
1076839 03.05.2005 23.59

Expiry date
03.05.2015

Name and address of the applicant
Refractile Limited
Suite A, 5th Floor Queens House,
Kymberley Road
Harrow, Middlesex HA1 1US,
Groot-Brittannië.

Mark
PORNO

Goods and services' list
Kl 2 Verven voor schilders en kunstenaars.
Kl 16 Kleefstoffen voor kantoorgebruik of voor de huishouding.

Classes' list
02 16

Registration's publication date
07/2005

Registration date
26.05.2005


This one is still pending. Someone wants to trademark 'healthinsurance' under the category of 'incubators for eggs'.

Application number
1088781

Date and time of the filing
28.10.2005 , 23.59

Name and address of the applicant
Drake Ventures Ltd. 101 Furry Park Road, Dublin 5, Irlande
Gelderlandplein 75 L
1082 LV Amsterdam,
Pays-Bas.

Mark
HEALTHINSURANCE

Goods and services' list
Cl 7 Couveuses pour les oeufs.

Classes' list
07

[Rubber Duck]

Yes, it will be interesting to see if such applications for Domains are successful. Presumably somebody will have a look to see whether the terms are generic and whether the applications for Trademarks are recent. Shouldn't be too complicated to sift out such rubbish if they wish.

Trademarking is an expensive business not to mention the Sunrise Fees, which will be non-refundable. It will interesting to see whether fingers are burnt or not!

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon

[friday]

Originally Posted by dominator

Anyway, for a new company that is not in the EU, I would need just a .com, .net (maybe also .info) and the local country domain name. ".com" is the #1 and will remain for at least another 10 years.

I agree.

Europe is a Region; The EU is geo political agreement. As a company would you like to limit yourself to this exclusivity of .eu? What does it say to your clients outside the EU? What next? .asean, .oecd or maybe .g8? Why not, but it leads to segregation. Do we need top level domains like this? Do we need geo political regions represented on the internet that portray exclusivity?

The cc tld's are and were a great idea. The generic tld's were great. The EU is not a country and by right should never have been granted top level status until all members of the EU ratify to become one country.

On another note, the internet is an incredible place in which real world barriers dissapear. I managed to register domains in the China and India cctld land rush. However, .EU feels like a barrier going up rather than coming down.

[Rubber Duck]

Originally Posted by friday

I agree.

Europe is a Region; The EU is geo political agreement. As a company would you like to limit yourself to this exclusivity of .eu? What does it say to your clients outside the EU? What next? .asean, .oecd or maybe .g8? Why not, but it leads to segregation. Do we need top level domains like this? Do we need geo political regions represented on the internet that portray exclusivity?

The cc tld's are and were a great idea. The generic tld's were great. The EU is not a country and by right should never have been granted top level status until all members of the EU ratify to become one country.

On another note, the internet is an incredible place in which real world barriers dissapear. I managed to register domains in the China and India cctld land rush. However, .EU feels like a barrier going up rather than coming down.

Well, I think I have to disagree with you here. Yes, gTLDs are excellent as are ccTLDs. It has to be noted though that Catalonia has set a precident for a top level to be granted to a language grouping. As language is a very important property of a website, this would seem wholly reasonable, especially as language has litte regard for form international borders. It would seem essential that Arabic Language has its own gTLD and this will almost certainly happen. It may also make sense to permit entities that are not strictly countries to have a ccTLD. This would need to be done using some kind of population or GDP criteria, but why not have a specific extension for say California, which probably has more need than many countries. China's provinces might be another case in point. Some of these if considered separately are more populous than most countries. The issuing of extension should be done purely on the basis of demonstrated demand and market viability rather doctrine or dogma.

The EU is a unified market place and will be targeted by a lot of Medium sized companies that have no short-term ambition of expanding globally, it would therefore seem to fit a need. The interest in this Sunrise indicates that most people envisage a healthy demand for the extension. It therefore easily fits my criteria.

One could argue that the Pro and Cons with India and China, but neither initially opened their doors to all and sundry. This happened largely because of a need to establish a momentum in registration of domain extensions. I think they also recognised that many foreign investors would register huge number of domains that have no real market application in long-term, simply because they would be prodominately in the English Language and Latin characters that have little relevance to the markets. It is quite notably that when there is a request for dot in in this forum the selection of names offered is like a Dream Team, everything you could ever wish for. Provided you are English Speaking of course.

Best Regards
Dave Wrixon