search engine submission services

[edyst3]

Hi guys

Do you know which search engine submission service is good?
Please share your experience.

Thanks

[Liquiteq]

Hi edyst3,

Search engine submission should not be necessary, infact I would suggest against it. When you submit to Google, there's a possibility you will hit the Sandbox.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_Effect
The effect of this is debatable, but from experience, the best way to overcome this is as follows:

Instead, try to link from an authority site, ideally PR4 or above. If you don't currently have any authority sites, purchasing a nicely related text link (from a site with few links, not a site selling loads of them), will get you more for your money than any kind of SE submission.

Naturally, Google and other SE's spider authority sites more frequently than those that are less important. This is partly because they have a larger number of followable links pointing at them, and thus, if you would like to be spidered and indexed quickly, you should link to your site from one.

[tonyfloyd]

What do u mean by an "authority site"?

can u give an ex. of such a site?

also, are there services that do this for you?

thnks
tony

[Keyboard Cowboy]

Originally Posted by tonyfloyd

What do u mean by an "authority site"?

can u give an ex. of such a site?

Could be any site really. Just make sure it itself is not spamming and it's authorative (meaning google "cares about" what is on it... A page that is indexed of course and (preferable) has backlinks... Dunno how else to explain it)

Also, do not fall for the gimmick "submit to 900,000 search engines at once". First of all, there're only a couple of engines you need to worry about. Google, yahoo and msn. Some will say smaller ones like altavista etc as well, but in my experience they will all follow suit. It just takes them longer.

Second, using these "submit services" will most likely just get you banned for spamming. You could submit your url manually to google, but it is really not necessary. It will pick you up eventually anyway if you're linked from before mentioned sites/pages. You need backlinks for the bots to position you anyway... GL

[Liquiteq]

Hi Tony,

In terms of Google, the authority of a site is represented by it's Pagerank on a score of 0 to 10, unimportant to very important respectively. Any "page" with a respectable PR that links to you will get your site crawled fairly quickly. However, the amount of authority you gain from that link will depend on the relevance of that site/page to yours, the quality of the content, and how many outbound links are on that page, to list a few.

But to answer your question, to get indexed, it doesn't really matter what site it is, as long as it is regularly crawled (PR 3-6 should do). Just make sure you don't link from a site that appears to be spamming or you'll get penalized.

[tonyfloyd]

thanks Liquiteq.....is there a service/program that does all this linking for you?...or is this all manual?....what about lisitng your site on a PR3-6 directory?....is that ok?

[Keyboard Cowboy]

Originally Posted by tonyfloyd

thanks Liquiteq.....is there a service/program that does all this linking for you?...or is this all manual?

It's just one link. I think you can manage

Originally Posted by tonyfloyd

....what about lisitng your site on a PR3-6 directory?....is that ok?

Yes. Any page will do

[edyst3]

Originally Posted by Liquiteq

Hi edyst3,

Search engine submission should not be necessary, infact I would suggest against it. When you submit to Google, there's a possibility you will hit the Sandbox.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandbox_Effect
The effect of this is debatable, but from experience, the best way to overcome this is as follows:

Instead, try to link from an authority site, ideally PR4 or above. If you don't currently have any authority sites, purchasing a nicely related text link (from a site with few links, not a site selling loads of them), will get you more for your money than any kind of SE submission.

Naturally, Google and other SE's spider authority sites more frequently than those that are less important. This is partly because they have a larger number of followable links pointing at them, and thus, if you would like to be spidered and indexed quickly, you should link to your site from one.

hi liquiteq

Thanks for your input. But how can I find site which has PR4? Why do I have to pay if I want to link with that site? Do you know which site has PR4 (site that related to travel) ?
btw thanks for sharing.

[Liquiteq]

But how can I find site which has PR4? Why do I have to pay if I want to link with that site? Do you know which site has PR4 (site that related to travel) ?

Hi edyst3,

You don't necessarily have to pay to acquire high PR links, but in order to succeed, you must have a clear strategy. There are various ways that you could conduct your campaign, but like any SEO, I don't broadcast specifics on any of my methodologies for fear of them being abused.

Some basic guidance points:

The first step is research, know your market. This will enable you to identify the big players within your niche.

Next you can analyse their link strategy. Seeing who is linking to them should give you a few ideas. An easy way of doing this is using SE operators in your query:

Google - link:http://www.example.com
Yahoo! - linkdomain:example.com -site:example.com

The real power is when you start to think outside the box, and develop techniques from your understanding of the way it works.

[edyst3]

Thanks Liquiteq

I'll try your basic guidance. If you do not mind, I would send a question about what I've learn from basic guidance.

Thank you for your input.

Regards

[cloudfuyun]

useful info... thanks

[blue777]

good info,I need this

[webd]

First of all, there're only a couple of engines you need to worry about. Google, yahoo and msn. Some will say smaller ones like altavista etc as well, but in my experience they will all follow suit. It just takes them longer.

Many of the other search engines are fed by the larger search engines. AltaVista.com gets its search results from Yahoo. If you rank in Yahoo you should rank in Altavista...

More info here:
http://www.bruceclay.com/searchengin...nshipchart.htm