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**dmyre** · 07-28-2006, 03:06 AM

If you search for the term "online photo albums" on Domain Sponsor, you will be redirected to a website owned by Oversee.net. The website you are taken to is Livedigital.com. This has been duplicated on a few DS landing pages.

Does anyone know if this traffic is compensated, or merely "stolen"?

**March2005** · 07-28-2006, 03:27 AM

**NameYourself** · 07-28-2006, 08:54 AM

This is normal. They pay you on a "per click" basis for the traffic for keywords that they send to their own sites. They have also told me that they only use their sites for the keywords when it generates more for you than just standard pay per click results would. Obviously they could cheat because of this and because of the lack of details in the stats regarding the actual clicks and keywords, there is no way for you to actually know. I believe that generally this is making you more and that they are honest in the per click payouts. If you ask them, I am sure they would be able to disable it for you.

**dmyre** · 07-28-2006, 01:04 PM

Thanks for the explanation. I just haven't used DS in a while, and just discovered this issue...

**phineasphog** · 09-09-2006, 11:33 AM

Its a case of the fox gaurding the henhouse. They do this on other high value terms too. mortgage and loan stuff goes straight to low.com, college stuff gets sent to degrees.com.

I wrote about this last year after I discovered that I was getting 26 cents for a "mortgage" visitor. In response they created an opt-out checkmark so you can turn these redirects off. My response was to begin the domainer's co-op.

The bottom line was that I signed up for PPC where my traffic would be presented with the highest bidding links and that wasn't what was being delivered. Without my prior knowledge my traffic was be redirected to DS's own referal engines at prices and terms that they themselves dictate. If I hadn't accidentally stumbled on it I never would have known.

DS says that you'll be paid competively but that seem true only if you fail to quantify the possibility that an average clicking visitor presented with a landing page populated with numerous high paying links will often click on more than one.

**jaydub** · 09-21-2006, 06:09 PM

Interesting ^^^^^

**RepCentral** · 09-21-2006, 06:32 PM

This practice would also seem to rebrand your site with the redirected name.
Say a person goes to "lowcostloans.com" and that directs to "loans.com".
There is a chance the visitor will notice and then head to "loans.com" (from a bookmark) in the future, completly stripping you of your future income.
I won't be listing any domains with companies that rebrand away from my domain name.

**GT Web** · 09-21-2006, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dnengineer

This practice would also seem to rebrand your site with the redirected name.
Say a person goes to "lowcostloans.com" and that directs to "loans.com".
There is a chance the visitor will notice and then head to "loans.com" (from a bookmark) in the future, completly stripping you of your future income.
I won't be listing any domains with companies that rebrand away from my domain name.

right, because everyone bookmarks a parked page.

**denny007** · 09-22-2006, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GT Web

right, because everyone bookmarks a parked page.

Exactly my thought

**trader** · 09-22-2006, 01:32 AM

Anyone know why oversee.net is so intersted in so many domain where they become a major visitor to the sites as seen in log stats (non-domain sponsor url's).

They are one of the most active website visitors out there to lots of diverse sites and also very mysterious as to why they are so interested. I have emailed them asking about it with no replies.

**March2005** · 09-22-2006, 02:16 AM

maybe it is the information.com search engine bot

07-28-2006, 03:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
dmyre Last Online: Today 10:10 PM iTrader: (35) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,977 DNF$: 8,328	Is DS stealing traffic? If you search for the term "online photo albums" on Domain Sponsor, you will be redirected to a website owned by Oversee.net. The website you are taken to is Livedigital.com. This has been duplicated on a few DS landing pages. Does anyone know if this traffic is compensated, or merely "stolen"? __________________

07-28-2006, 03:27 AM	#2 (permalink)
March2005 Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 04-10-2007 04:52 AM iTrader: (1) Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 440 DNF$: 703 Location: USA Country:	Re: Is DS stealing traffic? - __________________ rules of DNforum google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769 searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srchsb/sse_gl.php Last edited by March2005; 09-10-2006 at 12:28 AM.. Reason: nevermind

07-28-2006, 08:54 AM	#3 (permalink)
NameYourself DNF Regular Last Online: Today 03:37 PM iTrader: (19) Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 833 DNF$: 4,638 Location: World	Re: Is DS stealing traffic? This is normal. They pay you on a "per click" basis for the traffic for keywords that they send to their own sites. They have also told me that they only use their sites for the keywords when it generates more for you than just standard pay per click results would. Obviously they could cheat because of this and because of the lack of details in the stats regarding the actual clicks and keywords, there is no way for you to actually know. I believe that generally this is making you more and that they are honest in the per click payouts. If you ask them, I am sure they would be able to disable it for you.

07-28-2006, 01:04 PM	#4 (permalink)
dmyre Last Online: Today 10:10 PM iTrader: (35) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 1,977 DNF$: 8,328	Re: Is DS stealing traffic? Thanks for the explanation. I just haven't used DS in a while, and just discovered this issue... __________________

09-09-2006, 11:33 AM	#5 (permalink)
phineasphog DNF Member Last Online: 10-07-2009 11:08 PM iTrader: (23) Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 566 DNF$: 6,902 Location: eugene or	Re: Is DS stealing traffic? Its a case of the fox gaurding the henhouse. They do this on other high value terms too. mortgage and loan stuff goes straight to low.com, college stuff gets sent to degrees.com. I wrote about this last year after I discovered that I was getting 26 cents for a "mortgage" visitor. In response they created an opt-out checkmark so you can turn these redirects off. My response was to begin the domainer's co-op. The bottom line was that I signed up for PPC where my traffic would be presented with the highest bidding links and that wasn't what was being delivered. Without my prior knowledge my traffic was be redirected to DS's own referal engines at prices and terms that they themselves dictate. If I hadn't accidentally stumbled on it I never would have known. DS says that you'll be paid competively but that seem true only if you fail to quantify the possibility that an average clicking visitor presented with a landing page populated with numerous high paying links will often click on more than one. __________________ Support and FUND the ICA!

09-21-2006, 06:09 PM	#6 (permalink)
jaydub Da' Chef Name: Jim Last Online: Today 11:14 AM iTrader: (207) Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,908 DNF$: 5,821 Location: You know, that really really hot place at the core of the planet	Re: Is DS stealing traffic? Interesting ^^^^^ __________________ Real character is doing the right thing when no one is looking. Be sure brain is engaged before putting keyboard in gear. Sometimes I feel like I'm in a battle of wits with unarmed opponents

09-21-2006, 06:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
RepCentral DN Entrepreneur Last Online: 03-06-2009 10:11 PM iTrader: (5) Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 134 DNF$: 1,581 Location: Atlanta Country:	Re: Is DS stealing traffic? This practice would also seem to rebrand your site with the redirected name. Say a person goes to "lowcostloans.com" and that directs to "loans.com". There is a chance the visitor will notice and then head to "loans.com" (from a bookmark) in the future, completly stripping you of your future income. I won't be listing any domains with companies that rebrand away from my domain name.

09-22-2006, 01:32 AM	#10 (permalink)
trader David Last Online: Today 08:27 PM iTrader: (78) Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 4,690 DNF$: 9,491	Re: Is DS stealing traffic? Anyone know why oversee.net is so intersted in so many domain where they become a major visitor to the sites as seen in log stats (non-domain sponsor url's). They are one of the most active website visitors out there to lots of diverse sites and also very mysterious as to why they are so interested. I have emailed them asking about it with no replies. __________________ There are several very large corporations developing Live Apps for misc live applications. Now accepting offers. 10-year old domain: LiveApps.com

09-22-2006, 02:16 AM	#11 (permalink)
March2005 Platinum Lifetime Member Last Online: 04-10-2007 04:52 AM iTrader: (1) Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 440 DNF$: 703 Location: USA Country:	Re: Is DS stealing traffic? maybe it is the information.com search engine bot __________________ rules of DNforum google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35769 searchmarketing.yahoo.com/srchsb/sse_gl.php

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