80+% of cases not actually swine flu and Obama declares national emergency

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by HomerJ

well that could easily be explained by all the publicity driving people to hypochondriasis

Hypochondria is not going to be tracked and monitored nor reported. Outpatient are "out of hospital" such as clinics, doctors offices etc.

If you have influenza like illnessess you don't have hypochondria.

You have a influenza like illness.

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

Paying attention to what? What you described is totally fictitious.

Fictitious? It's a damn leaked government document on how it's going to be done from a country who has already made the vaccination mandatory. You don't seem to get it. Under level 6 the WHO is in control of all governments. These aren't the leaked documents I was referring to I'll have to find those again but just to give you an idea of other leaked documents

Home Quarantine Order Novelflu Filled in 4-30-09

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19348504/H...illed-in-43009

FL Quarantine to Detention Facility Order Apr 09 252
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19348310/F...der-Apr-09-252

FL Quarantine to Residence Order Apr 09 252

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19347342/F...der-Apr-09-252

IOWA Quarantine
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau..._Residence.pdf

H1N1 Mass Facility management


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau...Management.pdf



PHASES 5-6 PANDEMIC: http://www.who.int/csr/disease/influ...9_phase5_6.pdf

- Designate special status as needed, such as declaring a state of emergency. CHECK

Addressing ethical issues in pandemic influenza planning DISCUSSION PAPERS: http://www.who.int/csr/resources/pub...thics_5web.pdf

1.2 Valid limitations on human rights Human rights have transcending value, but international law does allow restrictions when necessary for the (")public good("). ICCPR, however,

,, allows states parties "in time of public emergency that threatens the life of the nation" to suspend most other civil and political rights (7, Art. 4).

,,Thus, compulsory measures such as vaccination, treatment, or isolation would be permitted only if necessary to protect the public's health.

[HomerJ]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Hypochondria is not going to be tracked and monitored nor reported. Outpatient are "out of hospital" such as clinics, doctors offices etc.

If you have influenza like illnessess you don't have hypochondria.

You have a influenza like illness.

my point is how many people go to see a doctor over because their being extra precautious due to all the exaggerated news reports? maybe millions of people nationwide that would never see a doctor for flu, are now taking the extra step to getting checked out. therefore the reports are above the national baseline.

if the news was reporting some evidence that there was a deadly epidemic caused by sprained ankles, you know exactly what you would see? ...

The proportion of outpatient visits for sprained ankle-like symptoms were above the national baseline. All 10 regions reported SA above region-specific baseline levels

[Devil Dog]

If Obama had done nothing, you'd be here *****in' about him "doing nothing" about the H1N1.

True story?

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by Devil Dog

If Obama had done nothing, you'd be here *****in' about him "doing nothing" about the H1N1.

True story?

This isn't Obama he's just playing out the role of being in control. They've been preparing this shit since at least 2006 when they patented the ACTUAL FLU VIRUS that's spreading.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by HomerJ

my point is how many people go to see a doctor over because their being extra precautious due to all the exaggerated news reports? maybe millions of people nationwide that would never see a doctor for flu, are now taking the extra step to getting checked out. therefore the reports are above the national baseline.

I understand your point and I accept that.

These baselines are normals developed over years of tracking and a comparison from year to year.

We could have 200 million "concerned" they have the flu and rush to the clinic or doctors office and get checked out.

If only 1% of them had the "influenza like illness", that does not change the fact that a proportion of those being seen have the illness and that proportion is higher than normal, say this time last year, of the ACTUAL number of people with the illness.

In determining anything abnormal, one has to know what the normal is. I personally have no idea what their "baseline" is. The premise of "more are going to the doctor than normal" may contribute to the sampling.

Biodata and Biostatistics can (and is) confusing at times.

[DomainsInc]

Originally Posted by JMJ

Fictitious? It's a damn leaked government document on how it's going to be done from a country who has already made the vaccination mandatory. You don't seem to get it. Under level 6 the WHO is in control of all governments. These aren't the leaked documents I was referring to I'll have to find those again but just to give you an idea of other leaked documents

Home Quarantine Order Novelflu Filled in 4-30-09

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19348504/H...illed-in-43009

FL Quarantine to Detention Facility Order Apr 09 252
http://www.scribd.com/doc/19348310/F...der-Apr-09-252

FL Quarantine to Residence Order Apr 09 252

http://www.scribd.com/doc/19347342/F...der-Apr-09-252

IOWA Quarantine
http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau..._Residence.pdf

H1N1 Mass Facility management


http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/defau...Management.pdf



PHASES 5-6 PANDEMIC: http://www.who.int/csr/disease/influ...9_phase5_6.pdf

- Designate special status as needed, such as declaring a state of emergency. CHECK

Addressing ethical issues in pandemic influenza planning DISCUSSION PAPERS: http://www.who.int/csr/resources/pub...thics_5web.pdf

1.2 Valid limitations on human rights Human rights have transcending value, but international law does allow restrictions when necessary for the (")public good("). ICCPR, however,

,, allows states parties "in time of public emergency that threatens the life of the nation" to suspend most other civil and political rights (7, Art. 4).

,,Thus, compulsory measures such as vaccination, treatment, or isolation would be permitted only if necessary to protect the public's health.

I don't have time to read all of those links but are you basically saying that this flu was created to see who would stay in line and who wouldn't?

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

I don't have time to read all of those links but are you basically saying that this flu was created to see who would stay in line and who wouldn't?

There are a number of reasons why. One is money, they use these things as reasons to print money just like they do war. Second is control and exercising World government control and yes part of that is identifying those who will do what ever the government says to do and those who won't. As well as creating panic among the populace in addition to other sinister agendas.

[Doc Com]

What are you worried about?

Remember, we have guns and we know how to use them.

And by the way, the Mass Facility Management you pointed out, is actually Mass Fatality Management.

http://whynotnews.eu/Kids-Forced-Vac...Conference.pdf

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

What are you worried about?

Remember, we have guns and we know how to use them.

Because they keep trying this BS to see how much they can get away with. And the populace keeps allowing them to go further and further with the belief that these people can do no wrong. Eventually they are going to push the envelope too far and it's going to be too late to do anything about it.

Hell Obama could technically be charged with treason for heading up the UN but everyone is so caught up in kissing his ass right now they don't even realize what the hell he is doing.

[Devil Dog]

Originally Posted by JMJ

This isn't Obama he's just playing out the role of being in control. They've been preparing this shit since at least 2006 when they patented the ACTUAL FLU VIRUS that's spreading.

Then why the thread title?

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by Devil Dog

Then why the thread title?

Then let me rephrase that. It's not just about Obama.

[Devil Dog]

Originally Posted by JMJ

Then let me rephrase that. It's not just about Obama.

Ok

[Doc Com]

I love all the conspiracy theories. So while we are at it, I wonder how many have forgotten that this is a global conspiracy - oops, I meant to say illness.

I would be curious as to how to account for this. This purely concocted and carrying out the plans of WHO? Or perhaps it is the World Bank? C'mon, this must be a conspiracy connection there somehow - how a global illness will take out xx% of the global population so the wealth(s) of the world continue to be funneled to and stay with a chosen elite sect.

I've been reading some accounts of how staff have been handling some of the more complex cases at hospitals in Georgia, New Mexico, Florida, Argentina, California, United Arab Emirates, Texas, Ohio, Oregon, Kansas, Spain, and a few other places. Pretty amazing to read some of these first hand accounts of measures taken, how sick some of these people become, and how rapidly some of these people deteriorate once it sets up in the lungs.

The heart wrenching accounts, certainly those of the pediatric cases.

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

I love all the conspiracy theories. So while we are at it, I wonder how many have forgotten that this is a global conspiracy - oops, I meant to say illness.

I would be curious as to how to account for this. This purely concocted and carrying out the plans of WHO? Or perhaps it is the World Bank? C'mon, this must be a conspiracy connection there somehow - how a global illness will take out xx% of the global population so the wealth(s) of the world continue to be funneled to and stay with a chosen elite sect.

I've been reading some accounts of how staff have been handling some of the more complex cases at hospitals in Georgia, New Mexico, Florida, Argentina, California, United Arab Emirates, Texas, Ohio, Oregon, Kansas, Spain, and a few other places. Pretty amazing to read some of these first hand accounts of measures taken, how sick some of these people become, and how rapidly some of these people deteriorate once it sets up in the lungs.

The heart wrenching accounts, certainly those of the pediatric cases.

It's pretty simple Doc a manufactured flu virus spreads just like any other flu virus. Only rather than it naturally occurring it's was released on the public. What's the goal. I've already stated some of those.

[DomainsInc]

Originally Posted by JMJ

There are a number of reasons why. One is money, they use these things as reasons to print money just like they do war. Second is control and exercising World government control and yes part of that is identifying those who will do what ever the government says to do and those who won't. As well as creating panic among the populace in addition to other sinister agendas.

Thats a pretty big pill to swallow for most people. I gave up believing in that type of thing when i hit 25 or so. This is not the first time a H1N1 "type" flu has been a problem. Take a look at this article http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...-to-swine-flu/ was this manufactored as well?

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

Thats a pretty big pill to swallow for most people. I gave up believing in that type of thing when i hit 25 or so. This is not the first time a H1N1 "type" flu has been a problem. Take a look at this article http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/20...-to-swine-flu/ was this manufactored as well?

This isn't just a "swine flu" it's a hodgepodge (part human, part swine and part bird) of flu's never seen before. Don't you think it's strange a never seen before strain of flu was patented just a few years earlier by a company benefitting from the government contracts? The WHO has admitted on their own site they release these things on the public. It's not a secret just not commonly known. WHat did you quit believing in? The truth? Reality?

[Doc Com]

The CDC has just released numbers for the week - not good.

The proportion of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) based on the 122 Cities Report has increased and has been higher than what is expected at this time of year for four weeks now. In addition, 22 flu-related pediatric deaths were reported this week; 19 of these deaths were confirmed 2009 H1N1, and three were influenza A viruses, but were not subtyped. Since April 2009, CDC has received reports of 114 laboratory-confirmed pediatric 2009 H1N1 deaths and another 12 pediatric deaths that were laboratory confirmed as influenza, but where the flu virus subtype was not determined.

[JMJ]

A recent study by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found that of the 36 children who died from H1N1 from April to August, six had no chronic health conditions. But all of them had a co-occurring bacterial infection.

The most common co-occurring infection that causes flu-related deaths is staphylococcus aureus. A third of the population carries it, most in their nose or on their skin.

The flu causes upper respiratory damage, which allows the staph to make its way into the lungs.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...nfections.aspx

[Doc Com]

What a second.

Do you know what you are quoting?

You are quoting what I have been saying all along and that which you and others have disputed...that the primary difference of this strain from other strains of influenza is its propensity and affinity for the lungs and rapidly setting up in the lungs.

Was it not you and a few others who tried desperately to convince me that all flu is in the lungs???

What you have just quoted is a primary reason why this strain is much more deadly than any other current strain.

If you are not sure, please do look up the words propensity and affinity for.

And for your information, we all have staph...on and in our bodies. All of us. Staph exists in and on nearly anything. That is why you wash food, wash yourself, and bath. When mama told you to wash the germs off your hands she was telling you to wash the staph.

My god, I hope and pray people like you are not being consulted to provide counseling services to those grieving.

It should be a mandatory imprisonment to mention f'king nutjob Mercola and the CDC in the same paragraph