80+% of cases not actually swine flu and Obama declares national emergency

[JMJ]

CBS Reveals that Swine Flu Cases Seriously Overestimated

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...estimated.aspx


Obama declares swine flu a national emergency

http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...edName=topNews

[Credit]

Better safe than sorry?

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by Credit

Better safe than sorry?

No, it's called playing on the fears of the populace and scaring them into submission. By declaring a non-threat a "national emergency" they can exercise extraordinary powers such as martial law and forced vaccinations.

[bd77]

Originally Posted by JMJ

No, it's called playing on the fears of the populace and scaring them into submission. By declaring a non-threat a "national emergency" they can exercise extraordinary powers such as martial law and forced vaccinations.

Forced vaccinations? Would be kinda hard to do with so many armed Americans like me. Its not an emergency for adults but for small children its different. I worry about my nieces and nephews not getting the flu shot for H1N1.

[Doc Com]

How about some truth in numbers and hard data?

Synopsis:

During week 41 (October 11-17, 2009), influenza activity increased in the U.S.

* 4,855 (37.5%) specimens tested by U.S. World Health Organization (WHO) and National Respiratory and Enteric Virus Surveillance System (NREVSS) collaborating laboratories and reported to CDC/Influenza Division were positive for influenza.
* All subtyped influenza A viruses being reported to CDC were 2009 influenza A (H1N1) viruses.
* The proportion of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was above the epidemic threshold.
* Eleven influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Nine of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and two were associated with an influenza A virus for which subtype is undetermined.
* The proportion of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness (ILI) was above the national baseline. All 10 regions reported ILI above region-specific baseline levels.
* Forty-six states reported geographically widespread influenza activity, Guam and three states reported regional influenza activity, one state, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico reported local influenza activity, and the U.S. Virgin Islands did not report.


This is one week's worth of data.

This is from CDC.gov

A far cry from the OP's 80% number.

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by bd77

Forced vaccinations? Would be kinda hard to do with so many armed Americans like me. Its not an emergency for adults but for small children its different. I worry about my nieces and nephews not getting the flu shot for H1N1.

Playing on your fears.. Setting you up for acclimation. Problem, reaction, solution.

How are they going to do it? Leaked plans tells us how. Most sheep will line up and be upset when they can't get one. In fact on the local news right now people are upset because they can't get one. See how that works? Making them want it. They set up locations all around the US to disperse them. Those locations start at the usual places then increase to places more frequented such as airports and grocery stores. Now lets imagine they use those extraordinary powers to say that since you haven;t had your shot you can't go to the store or take that flight? Eventually most will submit. The only ones they have to round up are those who have dodged all of those bullets.

All of which identifies the good sheep and the black sheep. By all means line your nieces, nephews, and kids up and teach them to be good sheep/slaves. It's all for the kids after all. Save the children. These people are some sick f*cks.

Originally Posted by Doc Com

How about some truth in numbers and hard data?

Synopsis:

During week 41 (October 11-17, 2009), influenza activity increased in the U.S.

* 4,855 (37.5%) specimens tested by U.S. World Health Organization (WHO) and National Respiratory and Enteric Virus Surveillance System (NREVSS) collaborating laboratories and reported to CDC/Influenza Division were positive for influenza.
* All subtyped influenza A viruses being reported to CDC were 2009 influenza A (H1N1) viruses.
* The proportion of deaths attributed to pneumonia and influenza (P&I) was above the epidemic threshold.
* Eleven influenza-associated pediatric deaths were reported. Nine of these deaths were associated with 2009 influenza A (H1N1) virus infection and two were associated with an influenza A virus for which subtype is undetermined.
* The proportion of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness (ILI) was above the national baseline. All 10 regions reported ILI above region-specific baseline levels.
* Forty-six states reported geographically widespread influenza activity, Guam and three states reported regional influenza activity, one state, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico reported local influenza activity, and the U.S. Virgin Islands did not report.


This is one week's worth of data.

This is from CDC.gov

A far cry from the OP's 80% number.

Umm Doc. How about we get some truth in numbers from someone other than those who are lying? First of all WHO started this virus? Secondly you obviously didn't pay any attention to the report from CBS. They tested patients who were claimed to have been H1N1 patients and they weren't. That's where the numbers are coming from.

[Doc Com]

Raise you hand if you know the definition (without looking them up) of:

National Emergency
Pandemic
Epidemic

you really should know what these definitions and what they mean because they are all mentioned, they all relate to each other, and one preceeds the other.

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Raise you hand if you know the definition (without looking them up) of:

National Emergency
Pandemic
Epidemic

you really should know what these definitions and what they mean because they are all mentioned, they all relate to each other, and one preceeds the other.

What does it really matter Doc when those who are fudging the numbers also changed the definitions? What matters is that Obama just suspended the rights of all Americans and made himself a dictator.. Raise your damn hand if you've seen MSM talking about that FACT.

[thevirtual]

Originally Posted by bd77

Forced vaccinations? Would be kinda hard to do with so many armed Americans like me. Its not an emergency for adults but for small children its different. I worry about my nieces and nephews not getting the flu shot for H1N1.

...I think 'delusional' is the nicest word I can use.

Originally Posted by JMJ

What does it really matter Doc when those who are fudging the numbers also changed the definitions? What matters is that Obama just suspended the rights of all Americans and made himself a dictator.. Raise your damn hand if you've seen MSM talking about that FACT.

What you just said is nonsense, maybe that's why MSM is not talking about it. Whatever MSM is.

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by thevirtual

...I think 'delusional' is the nicest word I can use.



What you just said is nonsense, maybe that's why MSM is not talking about it. Whatever MSM is.

No it's not it's FACT. The WHO changed the requirements/definitions which determined the levels. And Obama DID just make himself a dictator and suspended the rights of all Americans. Read the damn acts

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A PROCLAMATION

On April 26, 2009, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (the "Secretary") first declared a public health emergency under section 319 of the Public Health Service Act, 42 U.S.C. 247d, in response to the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus.

The Secretary has renewed that declaration twice, on July 24, 2009, and....

...October 1, 2009. In addition, by rapidly identifying the virus, implementing public health measures, providing guidance for health professionals and the general public, and developing an effective vaccine, we have taken proactive steps
to reduce the impact of the pandemic and protect the health of our citizens. As a Nation, we have prepared at all levels of government, and as individuals and communities, taking unprecedented steps to counter the emerging pandemic.

Nevertheless, the 2009 H1N1 pandemic continues to evolve.

The rates of illness continue to rise rapidly within many communities across the Nation, and the potential exists for the pandemic to overburden health care resources in some localities.

Thus, in recognition of the continuing progression of the pandemic, and in further preparation as a Nation, we are taking additional steps to facilitate our response.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including sections 201 and 301 of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) and consistent with section 1135 of the Social Security Act (SSA), as amended (42 U.S.C. 1320b-5), do hereby find and proclaim that, given that the rapid increase in illness across the Nation may overburden health care resources and that the temporary waiver of certain standard Federal requirements may be warranted in order to enable U.S. health care facilities to implement emergency operations plans, the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic in the United States constitutes a national emergency.

Accordingly, I hereby declare that the Secretary may exercise the authority under section 1135 of the SSA to temporarily waive or modify certain requirements of the Medicare, Medicaid, and State Children's Health Insurance programs and of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act Privacy Rule throughout the duration of the public health emergency declared in response to the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic.

In exercising this authority, the Secretary shall provide certification and advance written notice to the Congress as required by section 1135(d) of the SSA (42 U.S.C. 1320b-5(d)).

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-third day of October, in the year of our Lord two thousand nine, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-fourth.

/s/ Barack Obama

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

The National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601-1651) is a United States federal law passed in 1976 to stop open-ended states of national emergency and formalize the power of Congress to provide certain checks and balances on the emergency powers of the President. The act sets a limit of two years on states of national emergency. It also imposes certain "procedural formalities" on the President when invoking such powers.

The perceived need for the law arose from the scope and number of laws granting special powers to the executive in times of national emergency (or public danger).

At least two constitutional rights are subject to revocation during a state of emergency:

* The right of habeas corpus, under Article 1, Section 9;
* The right to a grand jury for members of the National Guard when in actual service, under Fifth Amendment.

In addition, many provisions of statutory law are contingent on a state of national emergency, as many as 500 by one count.[1]

It was due in part to concern that a declaration of "emergency" for one purpose should not invoke every possible executive emergency power that Congress in 1976 passed the National Emergencies Act. Among other provisions, this act requires the President to declare formally a national emergency and to specify the statutory authorities to be used under such a declaration.

There were 32 declared national emergencies between 1976 and 2001. [2] Most of these were for the purpose of restricting trade with certain foreign entities under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA) (50 U.S.C. 1701-1707).
[edit] References

1. F.J. Murray, "Wartime Presidential Powers Supersede Liberties," Washington Times, Sept. 18, 2001, pp. A1, A12, as quoted in Ref. 2.

2. H.C. Relyea, "Martial Law and National Emergency", Congressional Research Service Report for Congress RS21024, updated January 7, 2005: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/RS21024.pdf.

3. H.C. Relyea, "National Emergency Powers", Congressional Research Service Report for Congress, order code 98-505 GOV, updated September 18, 2001: http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/6216.pdf.

4. H.C. Relyea, "National Emergency Powers", Congressional Research Service Report for Congress, order code 98-505 GOV, updated November 13, 2006: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/98-505.pdf.

H1N1 Part 1 of 4 (10mins 34s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njBL-5dtCW4

H1N1 Part 2 of 4 (10mins 37s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rO_WQKRAlLY

H1N1 Part 3 of 4 (10mins 38s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygI1BdNuEsQ

H1N1 Part 4 of 4 (8mins 20s)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjzImoIznsI

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by thevirtual

...I think 'delusional' is the nicest word I can use.



What you just said is nonsense, maybe that's why MSM is not talking about it. Whatever MSM is.

Why would bd77 worry about his rights being violated? Or a dictator Obama?

He's armed, remember. And he's not afraid to use the damn thing if someone says he needs to do something.

Bravado at its finest.

[JMJ]

Ron Paul on this subject
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiKiBO7TGy4

[bd77]

What you just said is nonsense, maybe that's why MSM is not talking about it. Whatever MSM is.

Boy you're a smart one. MSM stands for Mainstream Media. I sometimes wonder why I even debate you on this forum. You don't even understand who or what MSM is. lol

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Why would bd77 worry about his rights being violated? Or a dictator Obama?

He's armed, remember. And he's not afraid to use the damn thing if someone says he needs to do something.

Bravado at its finest.

I'm more concerned with people like you who are in lockstep with President Obama. You seem to agree with him on just about everything he does and that's downright scary.

[randomo]

A close relative of mine is an emergency health worker, and I guaran-damn-tee you that the H1N1 flu is a huge and growing problem right now - my relative's hospital is having record-setting numbers of patients, and yes, that's exactly the flu that most of them have.

It must be tough for you conspiracy-theorists when the MSM [CBS in this case] says one thing and government [CDC in this case] says the opposite - you can't actually believe either of those sources, can you?

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by randomo

A close relative of mine is an emergency health worker, and I guaran-damn-tee you that the H1N1 flu is a huge and growing problem right now - my relative's hospital is having record-setting numbers of patients, and yes, that's exactly the flu that most of them have.

It must be tough for you conspiracy-theorists when the MSM [CBS in this case] says one thing and government [CDC in this case] says the opposite - you can't actually believe either of those sources, can you?

They aren't actually testing those people. They are just declaring them swine flu. Hence the CBS investigation. Out of those tested by them that were declared swine flu as little as 80% were found not to have had swine flu.

[HomerJ]

I believe the height of flu season is starting right now. we'll see. so far in my area of Texas i dont see much of anything going on. its warmer here yet, then the north, but also we're closer to Mexico and South America.

there was one report in the paper the other week of a local 7-year old who according to the headline died as a result of h1n1, though when you got the second to last paragraph of the story on like page 10 you realize its only suspected and wasnt yet confirmed. i guess that wasnt going to make a good enough headline though eh. not even relevant enough to keep that info on the first page. wonder why that was

* The proportion of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness (ILI) was above the national baseline. All 10 regions reported ILI above region-specific baseline levels.

well that could easily be explained by all the publicity driving people to hypochondriasis

anyway does that factor the numbers of cases of Like-Influenza-Like-Illness (LILI). thats when you think you have symptoms that are like Influenza-like. not actually like Influenza

[randomo]

Originally Posted by JMJ

They aren't actually testing those people. They are just declaring them swine flu.

I don't know whether that was true, and if so whether it was true in only certain places. I do know that they are testing them at the hospital I mentioned, and that a child died there last week after being infected with H1N1. That's a stone-cold fact.

P.S. If CBS had reported something that contradicted your opinion, I assume you would not have believed them? But for this story, they gain your complete trust, I suppose.

[DomainsInc]

Originally Posted by JMJ

Playing on your fears.. Setting you up for acclimation. Problem, reaction, solution.

How are they going to do it? Leaked plans tells us how. Most sheep will line up and be upset when they can't get one. In fact on the local news right now people are upset because they can't get one. See how that works? Making them want it. They set up locations all around the US to disperse them. Those locations start at the usual places then increase to places more frequented such as airports and grocery stores. Now lets imagine they use those extraordinary powers to say that since you haven;t had your shot you can't go to the store or take that flight? Eventually most will submit. The only ones they have to round up are those who have dodged all of those bullets.

All of which identifies the good sheep and the black sheep. By all means line your nieces, nephews, and kids up and teach them to be good sheep/slaves. It's all for the kids after all. Save the children. These people are some sick f*cks.

With that level of paranoia I'm surprised you manage to leave the house.

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by DomainsInc

With that level of paranoia I'm surprised you manage to leave the house.

I'm not paranoid. I'm paying attention. With your level of denial it's amazing you haven't given yourself your very own acid bath.

[DomainsInc]

Originally Posted by JMJ

I'm not paranoid. I'm paying attention. With your level of denial it's amazing you haven't given yourself your very own acid bath.

Paying attention to what? What you described is totally fictitious.