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[draggar]

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/breeders/res...ysFILLABLE.pdf

I think the only way the AKC (American Kennel Club) could say that puppy mills are OK more is if they actually pt out a press release saying "puppy mills are OK".

Your average reputable breeder maybe has 1-2 litters a year. 3-4 will get some funny looks but if you have a huge kennel them you might be able to pull it of but 5+ is extremely difficult - with that many you're a puppy producing machine. With 5 litters a year, as soon as one litter hits 8 weeks old you have another one on the ground.

But TEN or ELEVEN?????

[Gerry]

http://www.akc.org/pdfs/breeders/res...ysFILLABLE.pdf

I think the only way the AKC (American Kennel Club) could say that puppy mills are OK more is if they actually pt out a press release saying "puppy mills are OK".

Your average reputable breeder maybe has 1-2 litters a year. 3-4 will get some funny looks but if you have a huge kennel them you might be able to pull it of but 5+ is extremely difficult - with that many you're a puppy producing machine. With 5 litters a year, as soon as one litter hits 8 weeks old you have another one on the ground.

But TEN or ELEVEN?????

Ahh, perhaps there are "boutique puppy mills" vs "junkyard dog puppy mills".

There is a breeder up the road from me that breeds pugs, pomeranians, and jack russells.

They talk about how "responsible" and "legitimate" and "caring" they are.

No, they do not consider themselves a "puppy mill" even though they have at least 10 breeding pairs of each breed for a total of about 50-60 litters a year.

They are not breeding for show or anything else except for the money.

[Mike Cruz]

My mother use to breed Boxer's and Yorkies, she would only breed each mother once a year, but at one point we did have 4 yorkies and 8 boxers, so... lol. This was years ago.

Btw, I did notice you are very into dogs. I have a AKC full breed Dogue de Bordeaux (female) and I am looking for a stud who has papers preferably showing it's full breed as well. I have two family members and two friends who really want puppies. PM me if you know anyone please!

[draggar]

They are not breeding for show or anything else except for the money.

That's a dead giveaway of a commercial breeder or a puppy mill - either is bad for the breed.

Btw, I did notice you are very into dogs. I have a AKC full breed Dogue de Bordeaux (female) and I am looking for a stud who has papers preferably showing it's full breed as well. I have two family members and two friends who really want puppies. PM me if you know anyone please!

I don't know anyone in the breed and honestly, if you need to ask questions like that then you're not active in the breed enough and should you be breeding? (I don't mean to sound harsh but I was involved with malinois rescue and I've seen first hand what happens when people breed dogs so their friends and family want puppies - many back out, change their mind, etc). You may want to look into DdB rescue - they can still get a great puppy. If you're worried about "AKC papers", all AKC paperwork means is that their lineage is AKC registered for (I think it's) 3 generations - it means jack. "Show champion" also means jack- all that means is that it's won enough beauty contests to get the champion title.

If you do breed, you have 4 people "interested" in puppies - that is no guarantee. Plus, what if she has 10-15 puppies? When we bred Kiri we had no fewer than 15 people interested (and expected an average of 6-9 puppies). What if one has a serious default or gets injured- are you willing to euthanize the puppy (and I don't mean take it to a vet for them to do it - are you willing to do it yourself humanely if needed?). Can you tell the signs of distress? Do you know when to wean the puppies off the mother? Do you know the risk of diseases such as parvo, pano, distemper, etc..? Is the mother (and father) have any health certificates? What is their OFA hip rating? CERF? What if the puppy doesn't work out (aggressive towards family members, other pets), what if it gets sick and the family can't take care of it?

Most reputable breeders also won't just breed to anyone, they have a list of dogs they'd like to breed to (unless they just want the stud fee which can range form $400 and up).

My wife thought she was prepared for our German shepherd litter about 2.5 years ago. Luckily we had 3 (very healthy) puppies. She wasn't prepared. Rising a litter of puppies is completely different than taking in an 8 week old puppy and raising a litter for a working kennel. Luckily it was only 3 puppies so we could give each one a lot of training and attention (yes, training began as soon as they were out of their mother). We learned a lot and even whelped a litter of Finnish Spitz puppies (5) for a friend of ours and that was also a lot of work.

Think long and hard over it - and if they do go to pet homes, be sure that the owners spay or neuter their dogs (yes, it is YOUR responsibility as a breeder to make sure of this). For every question you can answer there's at least 5-10 others.

[Gerry]

That's a dead giveaway of a commercial breeder or a puppy mill - either is bad for the breed.

Exactly.

It really pissed me off when I saw the place.

They were very in tuned to "whatever" the hot breed was for the day.

I visited the place when the husband wanted me to come see a barn he built on his property (it was actually VERY, VERY nice) when I was considering having one built here.

When we say the long line of kennel runs on the other side of the property, needless to say, my wife and I were not very pleased no matter what they called themselves.

They were literally "breeding pairs" in each run.

We seriously turned his offer down to build the barn because of that.

[Mike Cruz]

That's a dead giveaway of a commercial breeder or a puppy mill - either is bad for the breed.



I don't know anyone in the breed and honestly, if you need to ask questions like that then you're not active in the breed enough and should you be breeding? (I don't mean to sound harsh but I was involved with malinois rescue and I've seen first hand what happens when people breed dogs so their friends and family want puppies - many back out, change their mind, etc). You may want to look into DdB rescue - they can still get a great puppy. If you're worried about "AKC papers", all AKC paperwork means is that their lineage is AKC registered for (I think it's) 3 generations - it means jack. "Show champion" also means jack- all that means is that it's won enough beauty contests to get the champion title.

If you do breed, you have 4 people "interested" in puppies - that is no guarantee. Plus, what if she has 10-15 puppies? When we bred Kiri we had no fewer than 15 people interested (and expected an average of 6-9 puppies). What if one has a serious default or gets injured- are you willing to euthanize the puppy (and I don't mean take it to a vet for them to do it - are you willing to do it yourself humanely if needed?). Can you tell the signs of distress? Do you know when to wean the puppies off the mother? Do you know the risk of diseases such as parvo, pano, distemper, etc..? Is the mother (and father) have any health certificates? What is their OFA hip rating? CERF? What if the puppy doesn't work out (aggressive towards family members, other pets), what if it gets sick and the family can't take care of it?

Most reputable breeders also won't just breed to anyone, they have a list of dogs they'd like to breed to (unless they just want the stud fee which can range form $400 and up).

My wife thought she was prepared for our German shepherd litter about 2.5 years ago. Luckily we had 3 (very healthy) puppies. She wasn't prepared. Rising a litter of puppies is completely different than taking in an 8 week old puppy and raising a litter for a working kennel. Luckily it was only 3 puppies so we could give each one a lot of training and attention (yes, training began as soon as they were out of their mother). We learned a lot and even whelped a litter of Finnish Spitz puppies (5) for a friend of ours and that was also a lot of work.

Think long and hard over it - and if they do go to pet homes, be sure that the owners spay or neuter their dogs (yes, it is YOUR responsibility as a breeder to make sure of this). For every question you can answer there's at least 5-10 others.

Like I said, my mother use to breed Boxers and Yorkies, she would be handling it. Considering I am giving 4 dogs away, the other puppies would be sold to cover costs, nothing for a ridiculous amount. Not sure why not being able to find another breed as mine would be considered negative.

I want papers only for the fact that I want to make sure it's a pure breed Dogue de Bordeaux. These dogs are very hard to come by and I don't want a mixed stud, as my girl is pure breed.

thanks

[draggar]

This offer has disappeared but now AKC has PRIME (Puppy Registration & Inventory Management Extranet).

http://www.thedogpress.com/ClubNews/...-Pet-Shops.asp

[Gerry]

Kinda off and on topic -

I just found out that my wife will be hooking up with Temple Grandin this fall at a workshop in (???)Atlanta.

Well, I managed to remember who she would be working with.