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Old 10-22-2008, 04:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I honestly believe the entire world not only wants a change but wants Obama in office.

They see "too much of the same" in McCain.

If other nations can see the desire to have a change but Americans can not than I believe the issue lies within.

The blinders need to come off because party politics are no longer working.

As for me, neither is the scare tactics by Al Qaida or members of this forum who spew socialism.
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Old 10-22-2008, 04:55 PM   #22 (permalink)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/op...12luttwak.html
this is a good article to read

it says That an Obama presidency would cause such complications in our dealings with the Islamic world is not likely to be a major factor with American voters, and the implication is not that it should be. But of all the well-meaning desires projected on Senator Obama, the hope that he would decisively improve relations with the world’s Muslims is the least realistic.
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I honestly believe the entire world not only wants a change but wants Obama in office.
Of course they do... Nobody likes Wars and they see McCain as one who will continue to fight terrorism. The World wants another Bill Clinton who will allow attacks against the USA and not retaliate, And they will get just that with Obama.
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Raider if our freedom is taking away, in the name of fighting terrorist then the terrorist have won. Live free or die fighting to be free, we are the greatest country in the world, not because we are rich or got the greatest military.

But because we have freedom to think, freedom to dream and freedom to chase them dreams. Our greatness comes, not by controling others, but by us controling our self's. Another country would not take us over, they would never get us to give in to them ever.
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Of course they do... Nobody likes Wars and they see McCain as one who will continue to fight terrorism. The World wants another Bill Clinton who will allow attacks against the USA and not retaliate, And they will get just that with Obama.
Ignorant - another name for hard-core republicans. Where do you get your information from?

Osama's stated goal was to draw America into wars in the Muslim world to drain the American economy, drag America's standing through the mud, deplete the military forces of the US and guess what Raider? He got exactly what he wanted from the idiots calling themselves today's Republican party. They are openly gloating about it now.

Knowing McCain is surrounded by the same bumbling idiots, and supported by the same blind-faith supporters of Bush, of course they want more time to finish what they started. It helped fell the Soviet Union, and it's certainly taking its toll on America. In fact - supporting more of the same IS supporting the terrorists.

As for the Republican talking point that Clinton did nothing - months before sept 11 Bush Co gets warning of an impending attack and they did sweet f'all about it. That's fighting terrorism alright!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...093000282.html

Republicans can twist and turn and try to rewrite the historical record but the fact remains - they were warned and failed to act. A republican president was sitting in the seat of power when the attack occurred. The party of personal responsibility refuses to acknowledge, let alone take responsibility for THEIR culpability in the matter! Talk about being hypocrites of the highest order!

As for Clinton not acting on Bin Laden you obviously need to do a serious lesson in history as to why he, his advisers and the American military and their allies around the world didn't act more often. What's important to note is that they did act in Sudan but hit the wrong target, and did destroy Afghan training bases in cruise missile attacks in '98 in direct response to the African embassy bombings. Or did that not happen in your Republican version of history? They didn't trample rights, attack nations with nothing to do with it, enter into a war they couldn't win, and turn the entire Muslim world against them just when they needed their help the most. Bush co did the exact opposite and got what Raider? 7 years on Osama is still loose with the Republicans doing everything in their power to get him. Failure thy name is Republican. Clinton had his hands tied - what's the Republican excuse? Blame Clinton! LOL

I know so many Americans idea of history is the name of last year's winner of American idol (90% of Republican voters fall into this category), but don't try to come on an international board and try to spew complete falsehoods as if they were some kind of fact - you will be called on it.
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Al Qaida wants McCain to win???? ok sure they do.
now I have heard it all.

seriously Americans need to get united -and Fast

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Stewie, they are, behind the next POTUS, Barack Obama.
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Old 10-22-2008, 06:14 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Ignorant - another name for hard-core republicans. Where do you get your information from?

Osama's stated goal was to draw America into wars in the Muslim world to drain the American economy,
You call others ignorant but yet the VERY FIRST line in your post starts off as not only ignorant, but idiotic.

"Osama stated" You really believe what this low life terrorist has to say?.. A guy who slaughtered 3 thousand Americans in cold blood?... If you believe one word coming out of this scum bags mouth,, your a complete FOOL!

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A republican president was sitting in the seat of power when the attack occurred.
And a Democratic President was sitting in the seat when the NBI in the Phillippines informed the Clinton Administration they uncovered a plot by Al Qaeda to fly planes into US Goverment buildings...

A Democratic President was sitting in the seat when the USS Cole was bombed and did NOTHING.

A Democratic President was sitting in the seat when the Kobalt Towers were bombed and did NOTHING.

A Democratic President was sitting in the seat when Sudan offered to extradite Bin Laden to the USA and did NOTHING.

I think it's YOU who needs to get his facts straight.


I was flying in and out of Nino Aquino International BEFORE 911 and I can tell you they were on high alert years before it happened!.

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I think Ted Kennedy made the same mistake.
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Raider when will you get it. Bin Laden and the Bush's are LONG time family friends. They vacationed together. We funded Bin Laden. Al-Qaida isn't even a group really. It's a database of those we funded

"Al-Qaida," states Cook, " literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians."

Former French Military Intelligence official Pierre Henry Bunel expands, noting that "Al-Qaeda," was an early form of intranet, which was used by Islamic nations and influential families to communicate with each other. It was also used by the "American agent," Osama bin Laden to send coded or covert messages back to his CIA handlers from Afghanistan.


"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."

http://marc.perkel.com/archives/000753.html

If you want to watch the series (note there's 3 parts)

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Raider, yes, Ted Kennedy may well have, and so have a lot of Republicans, the difference seems though is clear, Ted Kennedy did not call/infer/state that Obama is/was a terrorist.

We deal with this every day and spot it a mile off now, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and accept it as a typo, I am sure you do not want to mislead people.
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I think european want a change more than americans...
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We deal with this every day and spot it a mile off now, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt and accept it as a typo, I am sure you do not want to mislead people.
Of course it was a typo... I would never reference or compare Obama to Bin Laden... Anyone who does is an idiot.

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Raider when will you get it.
Anytime you or Whitebark want to start a thread about Clinton, Al Qaeda and 911... You just let me know OK?

I stand by every claim I made here against Clinton for his negligence that led to 911.... We can go through each and every one of them during his entire term.

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You should watch the series. It explains everything to you.
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it was a controversial topic whether it is ... what religion do you think obama was practising at this age?!
Why in the first place would you use something "controversial" and NOT confirmed as the "evidence" that Obama is Muslim?

And what do you think school children in a Catholic schools are practising again? LOL!

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they see McCain as one who will continue to fight terrorism.
Since when was invading a TOTALLY irrelevant country like Iraq "fighting terrorism"?

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if our freedom is taking away, in the name of fighting terrorist then the terrorist have won.
Very true. One of the reason I don't like Bin Laden is that he almost single-handedly (with the help of the Bush Administration, of course) pushed the U.S. back at least 50 years (to the McCarthy era) in terms of human rights and freedom. Thanks to those who dare to speak up (while putting their career or even personal safety at risk), America is finally walking out of the tunnel.
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Since when was invading a TOTALLY irrelevant country like Iraq "fighting terrorism"?
Where did I say it was?.. READ.
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Take three hours out of your life to watch the series. You will be forever enlightened in the lie of a cause you promote. People who helped create the lies even tell you it was a lie. All of the players in the past 8 years were involved and have been since the 60's and some even back in the 50's. I'll give you plenty more once your done. I know you are fighting it because you don;t want to believe it to be true but you should listen to both sides of the story and draw your own conclusion. If it helps you any Clinton was involved in a fashion himself but the lies began long before he was ever in office.
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Where did I say it was?.. READ.
Then "fighting terrorism" must be a part time job.
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I can't wait to reference all the links on this forum from the republicans and wanna-be's that were previously convinced McSame was going to mislead his way into the Whitehouse and win the election...in the words of Borat.........NOTTTTTTT!
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