Americans Are The Most Misinformed

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[ilovedomains]

Misinformed is too kind a word for many Americans. Some are just bat shit crazy...

Tea Party Nation Founder Judson Phillips says Let's Get Rid Of The "Socialist" Methodist Church:
Phillips explains that he was formerly a member of the church, but he left because it's "the first Church of Karl Marx," and "little more than the "religious" arm of socialism."

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmem...socia.php#more

[CureCancer]

Stop watching FOX and you'll be very well informed.

[Raider]

Stop watching FOX and you'll be very well informed.

I tried that during discussions on Health care, During the oil spill, During the climate summit and During the mid-term elections and this is the news I got from other stations at the time;

* Bristol Palin upset over Levi's comments on Oprah
* Larry and Shawn King filed for divorce
* Malia and Sasha name their new dog "bo"
* Bush to blame for Gulf Oil explosion
* 10 years later George Bush responsible for 911
* Blogger on Rachel Maddow Zero i
* Obama has beer summit
* Keith Olbermann blames Bush Cheney for 9/11 attacks

[think]

I tried that during discussions on Health care, During the oil spill, During the climate summit and During the mid-term elections and this is the news I got from other stations at the time;

* Bristol Palin upset over Levi's comments on Oprah
* Larry and Shawn King filed for divorce
* Malia and Sasha name their new dog "bo"
* Bush to blame for Gulf Oil explosion
* 10 years later George Bush responsible for 911
* Blogger on Rachel Maddow Zero i
* Obama has beer summit
* Keith Olbermann blames Bush Cheney for 9/11 attacks

Do you ever quote your sources? Or is it just more fun to make stuff up and force the people who oppose you to provide the facts and do your homework?

[James Jean]

idiots

[Raider]

Do you ever quote your sources? Or is it just more fun to make stuff up and force the people who oppose you to provide the facts and do your homework?

Yes, I do usually quote my sources, but I posted all this from memory of when I was flipping through the channels... If you want to google it then go ahead, I'm not going to do your homework for you.

I'll bet if one of you flip through your channels right now, you'd probably end up on the ED Show with him interviewing some blogger who pre-agreed to everything they were going to discuss... Kind of like what Rachel Maddow does..

You know how MSNBC is, they don't like any opposing views aired on their shows... They have a motto to live up to; "One sided and Unbalanced"

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idiots

I agree... It's no wonder they have one of the lowest ratings in cable news.

[think]

Yes, I do usually quote my sources, but I posted all this from memory of when I was flipping through the channels... If you want to google it then go ahead, I'm not going to do your homework for you.

I'll bet if one of you flip through your channels right now, you'd probably end up on the ED Show with him interviewing some blogger who pre-agreed to everything they were going to discuss... Kind of like what Rachel Maddow does..

You know how MSNBC is, they don't like any opposing views aired on their shows... They have a motto to live up to; "One sided and Unbalanced" [COLOR="red"]

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction.

You can bash MSNBC all you like. Their corporate overlord, General Electric, is another giant defense contractor with a record of sleazy business practices. The only reason they put "Libs" on is because they can knew they could make a buck.

In fact General Electric publically boycotted Air America Radio and told ABC Radio network they did not want their ads to be broadcast on any radio station that carried Air America:

General Electric refused to advertise on the progressive Air America Radio. In October 2006, around 90 companies, including General Electric, told ABC Radio Networks that they did not want their ads to play on any radio station that carried Air America Radio. [6] [7] [8]

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...neral_Electric

Here's GE, the company that's slogan was "We bring good things to life" up close and personal:

US: The Case Against General Electric
Multinational Monitor
August 1st, 2001


GE has a lengthy record of criminal, civil, political and ethical transgressions, some of them shocking in disregard for the integrity of human beings. Here are a few examples:

In 1995, with the establishment of a Presidential Advisory Commission, the full extent of GE’s human experiments with nuclear radiation were revealed. General Electric ran the Hanford Nuclear Reservation in Richland, Washington as part of the U.S. weapons program. Beginning in 1949, General Electric deliberately released radioactive material to see how far downwind it would travel. One cloud drifted 400 miles, all the way down to the California-Oregon border, carrying perhaps thousands of times more radiation than that emitted at Three Mile Island.

In 1986, Representative Edward Markey, D-Massachusetts, held hearings in which it was disclosed that the United States and General Electric had conducted experiments on hundreds of United States citizens who became “nuclear calibration devices for experimenters run amok.” According to Markey: “Too many of these experiments used human subjects that were captive audiences or populations ... considered ‘expendable’ ... the elderly, prisoners and hospital patients who might not have retained their full faculties for informed consent.”

One of GE’s most gruesome experiments — disclosed in the Markey hearings — was performed on inmates at a prison in Walla Walla, Washington, near Hanford. Starting in 1963, 64 prisoners had their scrotums and testes irradiated to determine the effects of radiation on human reproductive organs. Although the inmates were warned about the possibility of sterility and radiation burns, the forms said nothing about the risk of testicular cancer. Markey’s committee heard allegations that, at the time of the experiments, General Electric violated both civil and criminal laws....

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+ GE is wholly or partially liable for at least 78 federal Superfund sites.

+ On September 29, 1998, General Electric agreed to a $200 million settlement in principle of environmental claims resulting from pollution of the Housatonic River and other areas by chemical releases from GE’s plant in Pittsfield, Massachusetts. (The settlement was reached with the Environmental Protection Agency and the Department of Justice.)

The claims result from a long history of GE’s use and disposal of polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) and other hazardous substances at the plant, which GE no longer uses for manufacturing. (PCBs, which have been linked to cancer, were commonly used in electrical devices and lubricants from the 1930s through the 1970s, when they were banned.)......

Defense Contracting Fraud
+ On July 23, 1992, GE pled guilty in federal court to civil and criminal charges of defrauding the Pentagon and agreed to pay $69 million to the U.S. government in fines — one of the largest defense contracting fines ever.
General Electric said in a statement that it took responsibility for the actions of a former marketing employee who, along with an Israeli Air Force General, diverted Pentagon funds to their own bank accounts and to fund Israeli military programs not authorized by the United States.
Under the settlement with the Justice Department over violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, GE paid $59.5 million in civil fraud claims and $9.5 million in criminal fines.

+ GE’s civil and criminal transgressions stemming from the Israeli military program are by no means isolated. GE is a repeat offender when it comes to Defense Department fraud. The company has repeatedly violated the False Claims Act — a measure originally proposed by Lincoln to protect federal coffers. When the Project on Government Oversight surveyed defense contractors, it found that General Electric was responsible for 15 instances of fraudulent activity in just a four year period (1990-1994) — more than any other defense contractor. GE:

1. Paid $7.1 million to settle a qui tam suit alleging that the company failed to satisfy electrical bonding requirements for its jet engine contracts, thereby creating a safety risk.
2. Paid $5.87 million (along with Martin Marietta) to settle a qui tam suit associated with improper sales of radar systems to Egypt.
3. Paid fines between 1990 and 1994 ranging from a $20,000 criminal fine to a $24.6 million civil fine for a variety of defense contracting frauds, including: misrepresentation, money laundering, defective pricing (2 incidents), cost mischarging (3 incidents), false claims, product substitution, conspiracy/conversion of classified documents, procurement fraud and mail fraud.
4. Was convicted on February 3, 1990 in U.S. District Court in Philadelphia of defrauding the government out of $10 million for a battlefield computer system.
5. Pled guilty on May 19, 1985 to charges of fraud and falsifying 108 claims on a missile contract.
6. Was convicted of defrauding the Air Force out of $800,000 on the Minuteman Missile Project.
7. Was convicted of bribing the Puerto Rico Water Resources Authority.

Consumer Wrongdoing
+ GE was among four companies which paid New York City more than $4 million in 1982 to settle a lawsuit charging that wiring and cables in 754 subway cars were defective.

+ GE in 1992 agreed to pay $165,000 to settle a suit brought by 11 state attorneys general alleging the company deceptively advertised its lightbulbs. According to the state AGs, the ads promised consumers the same amount of light for less energy, but in fact the lightbulbs simply delivered less wattage.

+ GE Capital was ordered to pay $100 million for unfair debt collection practices, as part of a 1999 class-action lawsuit settlement. The suit alleged that GE solicited agreements from bankrupt creditors to pay their credit card agreements without notifying bankruptcy courts of the agreements.

+ GE recalled 3.1 million dishwashers beginning in 1999, stating that a side switch could melt and ignite, presenting a fire hazard.

+ In April 2001, New York State AG Eliot Spitzer won a ruling in state court that, in connection with the dishwasher recall, GE falsely told consumers the problem could not be repaired, prodding customers with partial rebates to buy new GE dishwashers.

Whole report:

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=7846

And from the other corporate watchdog group:

.....PR and lobbying industry cleans up, Hudson River loses out

From 1990 to 2005, General Electric spent more than $122 million on public relations, lobbying and legal efforts "to fight demands that it clean up three contaminated polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs) sites," reports O'Dwyer's. The three sites are "a 200-mile stretch of the Hudson River (the nation's biggest Superfund site), Housatonic River (Pittsfield, MA) and a transformer facility (Rome, GA)." [2]
GE's disclosure comes after a decade of pressure from the Tri-State Coalition for Responsible Investment, a coalition of Roman Catholic groups that filed shareholder resolutions requesting the information. Coalition director Patricia Daly said the money could "have gone a long, long way in cleaning up the problem," had it not been "wasted on PR, lobbying and courtroom delaying tactics." The Environmental Protection Agency ordered GE to clean up the Hudson in 2002.
"In October 2005, more than 20 years after the EPA designated the Hudson River among the worst Superfund sites, GE agreed in a settlement to begin dredging the river. The EPA estimated that dredging the toxic sediment would cost $700 million by the time the project was complete. But the agreement obligates GE for costs only in the first year, which could allow the company to avoid $600 million in cleanup costs, according to Leo Rosales, who was an EPA spokesman at the time" [3].
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Labor Issues

The nonprofit economic research organization, Policy Matters Ohio, interviewed workers in 2007 in one of GE's Chinese suppliers and published a report of their findings in 2008. Xiamen Topstar Lighting Co., a joint venture of GE and China's Topstar, employs 6,000 people in Fujian Province making compact (and energy efficient) florescent lightbulbs for GE. GE's own audit of the factory in late 2007, Policy Matters Ohio investigators found a range of unfair and unsafe labor practices, including 64-hour workweeks without overtime pay or worker access to their own paystubs. Most seriously, workers were being exposed to mercury without their knowledge.[4]


Coal

GE Energy Financial Services, GE's energy investing arm, owns 51.5% of the coal-fired Birchwood Power Facility near King George, Virginia. J-POWER acquired a 49.5% stake in the 242-megawatt power plant in May 2008.[5]
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General Electric's political action committee (PAC) gave $1,281,400 to federal candidates in the 05/06 election cycle - 37% to Democrats and 63% to Republicans. [9]
Lobbying

GE spent $19,420,000 for lobbying in 2006. $4,050,000 of this total went to 39 outside lobbying firms including Ernst & Young, BKSH & Associates, Quinn Gillespie & Associates, and Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld. [10]

Whole report:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...neral_Electric

[Raider]

Think is at it again.

Arguing with himself as always.

[tekz999]

Interesting read. I read from a news story that "whatever" is the word Americans find it the most annoying, for the second year in a row. Maybe that is why Americans to a certain extent, are misinformed (do not care), because when someone says something, the opposing party would say: WHATEVERRRRRR? It is irritating isn't it. I am already irritated just by typing this word.

[think]

Think is at it again.

Arguing with himself as always.

I guess if no one else will provide sources that are legitimate I'll have to argue with myself. Regardless. I hope you have a great year Eva. Life's too short to just focus on what we disagree on. I'm sure if we worked just as hard on finding points that we do agree on we'd surprise ourselves......

All the best and happy new years! C.T. Kirkpatrick

[Raider]

I guess if no one else will provide sources that are legitimate I'll have to argue with myself.

I really think you need to get over that.. Nobody is going to provide you with proof positive evidence each and every time, Not only is it NOT available in every topic being discussed, it's a unreasonable expectation, This is a domain forum, not a court of law.

I search out reputable sources like most everyone else here and post the findings, If you choose not to trust that reputable source then your more than welcome to look for another.

Regardless. I hope you have a great year Eva. Life's too short to just focus on what we disagree on. I'm sure if we worked just as hard on finding points that we do agree on we'd surprise ourselves......

All the best and happy new years! C.T. Kirkpatrick

My hope is that you and some others are more honest with yourselves in these discussions, It's not that hard to admit your party has made mistakes, every party does.... It will improve this section greatly if that happened....

Wishing you and your Family a Happy and Prosperous New Year...

Eva

[think]

I really think you need to get over that.. Nobody is going to provide you with proof positive evidence each and every time, Not only is it NOT available in every topic being discussed, it's a unreasonable expectation, This is a domain forum, not a court of law.

I'm sorry my sarcasm was wasted upon you and do hope that you are being sarcastic in response.

I search out reputable sources like most everyone else here and post the findings, If you choose not to trust that reputable source then your more than welcome to look for another.

This is a reputable source? : NakedEmperorNews.com

Please let me know who the creative genius is behind this reputable source you esteem so highly.

My hope is that you and some others are more honest with yourselves in these discussions, It's not that hard to admit your party has made mistakes, every party does.... It will improve this section greatly if that happened....

Wishing you and your Family a Happy and Prosperous New Year...

Eva

A happy new years to you Eva. I hope you had a great weekend and holiday season .

May you find much peace and happiness in the year to come

[Raider]

this is a reputable source? : NakedEmperorNews.com

Please let me know who the creative genius is behind this reputable source you esteem so highly.

I never posted a link to them... If the video was created by them that's another story.

At any rate, I already proved that everything in that video of excerpts was factual, so who cares who made it?, In the end, it was very well done.