Are any Republicans really pround of thier leaders?

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by kylewill

What I love, is when Americans go to places like France and England, the conversations between you the traveler, and family/friends who want to give advice.

"Watch out for pick pockets!"
"They're pro's over there, keep your money in your sock!"

I'm American, and have traveled all over the world. However, I have never thought what the English say to each other when one is traveling to America for the first time.

"Don't get caught with a dildo in Alabama, you'll get the death penalty"

Yeah the Southern Baptists tried to keep a sex toy shop from opening here in town because they could see it out their windows. They threatened in all sorts of ways. They didn't get there way in that case but they did however make the strip clubs here pretty much useless. The dancers have to stay 3 feet away from you. So much for a lap dance eh? Funny thing is I've known a few strippers in the past and they've told me they're best nights are Sun and Weds when old guys with pockets full of $1's come in.

[kylewill]

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[trader]

Sen McCain has much less negatives in the media vs opponents:

look at these photos: http://McCainForPresident.org

[bd77]

Originally Posted by kylewill

Ok.

http://www.law.northwestern.edu/wron...utinginnocent/

Innocence has not been proven in any specific case that was specified in your link.

[JMJ]

Originally Posted by trader

Sen McCain has much less negatives in the media vs opponents:

look at these photos: http://McCainForPresident.org

Once again. It was the Star Spangled Banner! Not the Pledge of Allegiance!

And the other picture is a guy showing respect to anothers culture. Wow how incriminating.

Thats not the first time Bill's gotten a BJ..lmao

[sdsinc]

Watch out - we have a spin doctor of the gwb administration on board

[bd77]

Any of you seen the new Clinton ad featuring Jack Nicholson. I don't like Hilary but it is a pretty good ad I think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsweXFpfa28

Originally Posted by JMJ

Once again. It was the Star Spangled Banner! Not the Pledge of Allegiance!

And the other picture is a guy showing respect to anothers culture. Wow how incriminating.

Thats not the first time Bill's gotten a BJ..lmao

If you want to be President of the United States you should put your hand over your heart no matter if its the Star Spangled Banner or the Pledge of Allegiance.

[BamaStangGuy]

The question is, what has the Democrats done in the last 8 years to stop George Bush? They couldn't beat him in 2004 and they couldn't stop any of his legislation since they gained control of Congress.

The Democrats, just today, announced that they are going to cave into Bush's demands for immunity for phone companies.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

The question is, what has the Democrats done in the last 8 years to stop George Bush? They couldn't beat him in 2004 and they couldn't stop any of his legislation since they gained control of Congress.

And they cant impeach him either... As BD77 pointed out, they had control of the House and Senate for 2 YEARS... What have they done?

Same thing Clinton did with the terrorists... NOTHING.

[Poker]

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

The question is, what has the Democrats done in the last 8 years to stop George Bush? They couldn't beat him in 2004 and they couldn't stop any of his legislation since they gained control of Congress.

The Democrats, just today, announced that they are going to cave into Bush's demands for immunity for phone companies.

They could do somthing right now, they could even do it on the last day of this admin if they had to. Pelosi is actually ignoring her oath of office.
I'm referring to what I said earlier http://www.dnforum.com/f254/any-repu...ml#post1394833

[trader]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o&NR=1

Barack was only one there not holding hand over heart.

[tas38]

Their job is to do what is best for our country and people, if you remember some dems was calling them, traders to our country and they felt, it was better to let the voters deal with them.

Taking them into hearings on it all, would not be the best thing for our country or people. They made the best choice to let the voters, deal with them and they have lost all their power. We openly mock bush now, no one believes anything he says anymore as well.

[Poker]

Originally Posted by tas38

Their job is to do what is best for our country and people, if you remember some dems was calling them, traders to our country and they felt, it was better to let the voters deal with them.

The point is to set a precedent so that future presidents, no matter what party they are from, realize that they can't manipulate the rule of law and attempt to consolidate executive branch power ignoring the check and balances system of our government.

[sdsinc]

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

The question is, what has the Democrats done in the last 8 years to stop George Bush? They couldn't beat him in 2004 and they couldn't stop any of his legislation since they gained control of Congress.

The Democrats, just today, announced that they are going to cave into Bush's demands for immunity for phone companies.

I'm with you on this one. When we have a dangerous leader in power like gwb and his clique we would need VERY strong checks and balances. Unfortunately the whole Congress is a bunch of spineless cowards.
So get the message: nobody in DC will protect you.
The politicians work on behalf of the powerful lobbies, not for the people.

Originally Posted by Raider

And they cant impeach him either... As BD77 pointed out, they had control of the House and Senate for 2 YEARS... What have they done?

Impeachment would be the logical thing to do. Do you remember Nixon was to be impeached for much less ?
If the Serbs could topple Milosevic and send him to the Hague, why the Americans could not ?

[Raider]

Originally Posted by sdsinc

Impeachment would be the logical thing to do.

If he was guilty of a crime, Really guilty.... The House of Representatives, Judiciary Committee would of considered impeachment of Bush, They HAVEN'T and the Dems have the majority.

Originally Posted by sdsinc

Do you remember Nixon was to be impeached for much less ?

Not really, Nixon left office 3 years before I was born. What I know of the Watergate break-in, they had a lot of evidence, witnesses and Nixon's own audio tapes... What Nixon did was wrong, no question, But what Kennedy and Johnson did with Cuba, The Soviet Union and Vietnam was MUCH, MUCH worse...

Richard Nixon.... Another Republican President cleaning up a Democrats mess.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by sdsinc

The interesting question is why the attacks took place in 2001 and not one year earlier under Clinton's tenure. Do you think the timing might have to do with the misguided and arrogant policies of the gwb administration by any chance ?
In the aftermath of 9-11 the whole world was with us, even Tehran demonstrated in favor. Fast forward the whole world is against us and the US is now viewed (rightfully so) as a rogue, bullying state even by its close allies and has fallen to the bottom of the ranking of nations.
What about the economy ? The huge budget deficit ? The moral standing of America ?
Do you feel safe and happy now ?

Come on now. Stop grasping at straws. I can't stand Bush as much as the next guy but give me a break. 9/11 happened in 2001. 8 months after Bush took office. His foreign policy at the time was no different than Clintons. He had not made any changes in the Middle East that didn't already exist when Clinton was in power.

The fact is that we have been in the Middle East screwing things up since after WWII. To blame Bush for the 9/11 attacks because our involvement in the Middle East is very short sighted.

Another thing, is that people need to stop switching sides every time one President for one party is terrible. What I absolutely can't stand is a conservative voting Democrat because he doesn't like Bush. People need to stop voting against people and vote for the issues that they stand for. There are not just two people running for President. There are independents, libertarians, constitution party.... the list goes on. You can always find someone that fits your line of beliefs. I'm a conservative at heart with some libertarian views. I'm probably going to vote Libertarian in Novemeber. I voted for Ron Paul in the primaries.

I won't be voting for Obama or Clinton because I don't believe in the type of government they want to run. I believe in less government interfering in my life. Obama's Global UN Tax is just a drop in the bucket of things that this country does not need to get into. Then you get into letting the government manage my health care, something they can't even do efficiently for my Education, for example, and I just can't see myself voting for a Democrat, period. On the other hand I can't vote for McCain because I'm against this war and the reasons we went to war. I'm against our foreign policy and in the bigger picture, I am against the direction that the Republican party has taken with their aggressive foreign policy and big spending type government.

It just irks me to see people jump on the Obama change bandwagon. Just because someone offers change doesn't mean it's the kind of change this country needs. There are a lot of directions we can take this country that are opposite of the way Bush and the Republican party are taking it that are just as bad.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by BamaStangGuy

9/11 happened in 2001. A year and 8 months after Bush took office.

I think your mistaken... 911 happened 8 months after Bush was sworn in.

[BamaStangGuy]

Originally Posted by Raider

I think your mistaken... 911 happened 8 months after Bush was sworn in.

You are right. Even more makes my point.

[Poker]

Not blaming Bush for 9/11...blaming him for what he did (and didn't do) after 9/11.