Biden onForeign Policies

[fab]

Since I was extremely surprised by some of the issues that were expressed during the debate, I decided to search the news sites for something about them, and found nearly nothing.

Biden is considered knowledgeable, if not an expert on foreign policies. Here are some of the issues that were brought up during the debate:

1. Hezbollah - Biden claimed that the Bush administration let Hezbollah into Lebanon, and then when "we threw them out" he and Obama said NATO should go in but nobody took them up on it and now Hezbollah was all over Lebanon and that's a problem.
This is probably the biggest gaffe, lie, demonstration of stupidity that has been said by any of the candidates, by far outscores any of Palin's.
a) Hezbollah's been in Lebanon since the 80's.
b) They have been involved in the Lebanese government for quite a while,
c) Hezbollah never was thrown out of Lebanon
Now there are a few hypotheses on what he meant. My first though is he was referring to the battle between Israel-Lebanon in 2006, where the UN moved in to Southern Lebanon.
A second hypothesis, he was referring to Syria, which the Bush administration along with France were able to get them out of Lebanon, which BTW, may be changing in the upcoming future,.
d) Either way I have searched around and have not found any sources to this Nato claim, moreover, who and how would that work,
e) Hezbollah's rise is directly related to Iran, which BTW, change powers during the Carter years.
2 Iran - Regarding preconditional talks with Iran, Obama clearly stated he would make discussions without preconditions with Iranian and other leaders,
3. Hamas - I don't recall the two against allowing them in the elections, but these were part of the piece plans which started in Oslo, and agreed upon by the Israeli government, and how do you expect to make agreements when the majority are against the government in power.
4. Condoleezza Rice - Here again, he threw out nonsensical statements.
5. Israel - He's the best friend of Israel. Honestly, he does vote generally pro-Israel, but why make ridiculous exaggerations.
6. Israel - Obama has always been pro-Israel. Correction, Obama has always been pro-Israel when he speaks in front of Israeli-Jewish groups.
The only thing I can say positively about this is that Palin didn't call him on these points. His ignorance, arrogance, deceitfulness; and complete stupidity are totally unbelievable. What's more unbelievable is the lack of response from the press. Palin's relatively minor mistakes, in areas she doesn't specialize in, compared to Biden's apparent specialization, which was probably weaker then an average Elementary school child.

These are just some things I could write briefly. His comments on coal were as well outright lies. If anyone had any time, they would find that at least 90% of what he said was clearly faulty. I find it amazing that there are those actually comparing Biden-Palin in the debate and in general.

[Donald Aquilano]

Since I was extremely surprised by some of the issues that were expressed during the debate, I decided to search the news sites for something about them, and found nearly nothing.

Biden is considered knowledgeable, if not an expert on foreign policies. Here are some of the issues that were brought up during the debate:

1. Hezbollah - Biden claimed that the Bush administration let Hezbollah into Lebanon, and then when "we threw them out" he and Obama said NATO should go in but nobody took them up on it and now Hezbollah was all over Lebanon and that's a problem.
This is probably the biggest gaffe, lie, demonstration of stupidity that has been said by any of the candidates, by far outscores any of Palin's.
a) Hezbollah's been in Lebanon since the 80's.
b) They have been involved in the Lebanese government for quite a while,
c) Hezbollah never was thrown out of Lebanon
Now there are a few hypotheses on what he meant. My first though is he was referring to the battle between Israel-Lebanon in 2006, where the UN moved in to Southern Lebanon.
A second hypothesis, he was referring to Syria, which the Bush administration along with France were able to get them out of Lebanon, which BTW, may be changing in the upcoming future,.
d) Either way I have searched around and have not found any sources to this Nato claim, moreover, who and how would that work,
e) Hezbollah's rise is directly related to Iran, which BTW, change powers during the Carter years.
2 Iran - Regarding preconditional talks with Iran, Obama clearly stated he would make discussions without Iranian and other leaders,
3. Hamas - I don't recall the two against allowing them in the elections, but these were part of the piece plans which started in Oslo, and agreed upon by the Israeli government, and how do you expect to make agreements when the majority are against the government in power.
4. Condoleezza Rice - Here again, he threw out nonsensical statements.
5. Israel - He's the best friend of Israel. Honestly, he does vote generally pro-Israel, but why make ridiculous exaggerations.
6. Israel - Obama has always been pro-Israel. Correction, Obama has always been pro-Israel when he speaks in front of Israeli-Jewish groups.
The only thing I can say positively about this is that Palin didn't call him on these points. His ignorance, arrogance, deceitfulness; and complete stupidity are totally unbelievable. What's more unbelievable is the lack of response from the press. Palin's relatively minor mistakes, in areas she doesn't specialize in, compared to Biden's apparent specialization, which was probably weaker then an average Elementary school child.

These are just some things I could write briefly. His comments on coal were as well outright lies. If anyone had any time, they would find that at least 90% of what he said was clearly faulty. I find it amazing that there are those actually comparing Biden-Palin in the debate and in general.

Good job fab. Don't expect any of the Obama supporters to believe any of what you have posted. They have been drinking the Koolaid for way to long now.

[500,000]

I like Biden, hes a good guy compared to the ones below.
Obama, John Gotti, Al Capone and Bin Laden.

[fab]

I actually had at least respect for Biden, but his lack of control over his mouth, and willingness to do say anything to get elected are beyond me.

[thevirtual]

They have been drinking the Koolaid for way to long now.

I think we all could do without these type of statements. Is that the best you can come up with?

[Gerry]

Equal opportunity

Palin on foreign policy

Click Here
WARNING: Not for the squeamish

Couric: "Explain to me why that enhances your foreign policy credentials?"

Palin: "Well, it certainly does. Our next door neighbors are foreign countries..."

[fab]

Quote:
Originally Posted by bd77 View Post
They have been drinking the Koolaid for way to long now.
I think we all could do without these type of statements. Is that the best you can come up with?

Lets try keeping on topic!

Equal opportunity

Palin on foreign policy

I did relate to that, though I think the major difference is as I said,
1. this is his specialty with far more years of political experience,
2. his blunders were far greater and serious.
Finally how much do you find this reported in the media, as opposed to what Palin said,
and here on the forum! How many people have seen that video!

and I didn't mention the "Chuck stand up"
"the only African American who is articulate",
"Finding Indian's at 7-11's" either.
Couric was an interview, not a debate, which Biden prepared for.

[Gerry]

I seriously look at all sides of issues, politics and religion.

As for misspeaking, that's one thing.

As for putting dates, administrations, which pres did what...seriously flawed when you realize that Iran has been a nation for more than 2500 years, the Shah of Iran assumed power in 1941 (the World War II days), overthrown in 1979, Israel has been a state since 1948, and has been at war since pre-christian days.

We (the USA) have a long history of support for who we like at the time, ala the Shah, Noriega, bin Ladin, and even Saddam.

Hebollah and Hamas can not even get along and fight with each other.

"Couric was an interview, not a debate, which Biden prepared for."

Where and with whom was Palin for numerous days leading up to the debate?

[fab]

Where and with whom was Palin for numerous days leading up to the debate?

I didn't say she wasn't getting prepared.

As for misspeaking, that's one thing.

That's what Palin did, and the interviewers were trying to get at her. She wasn't being questioned on foreign policies or policies, she was being tested.

As for putting dates, administrations, which pres did what...seriously flawed when you realize that Iran has been a nation for more than 2500 years, the Shah of Iran assumed power in 1941 (the World War II days), overthrown in 1979, Israel has been a state since 1948, and has been at war since pre-christian days.

We (the USA) have a long history of support for who we like at the time, ala the Shah, Noriega, bin Ladin, and even Saddam.

Hebollah and Hamas can not even get along and fight with each other.

Sorry, I have no idea what you're reffering to.

Biden as opposed to Palin was expressing his views openly, he wasn't being cornered, and he was well prepared, and a seasoned politician who's supposed to have 10's of years of experience in foreign policies. His mistakes, lies, etc, were not simple time lines. He was bashing Bush, for something that was completely fictitious. Taking credit for things that were completely fictitious.
Creating history, and living in complete fantasy world, and again where is the press, the moderator, etc.

[DomainsInc]

You should run for president fab. You're clearly heads and tails above all of the candidates.

[fab]

You should run for president fab. You're clearly heads and tails above all of the candidates.

I think it would be easier for me to elected PM of Canada, after I get citizenship that is.

If you really want to here how stupid our presidents are, I recommend this video.
http://www.glennbeck.com/ on the right "Real Story - Energy Independence" Nothing to worry about, even though he's a conservative. Video is only three minutes.

[Gerry]

Sorry, I have no idea what you're reffering to.

To think that Carter is to blame for changes in Iran and the rise of Hezbollah is a stretch.

These issues had been festering for quite some time in Iran as the Shah was thought to be a puppet regime of the US, perhaps rightly so.

The fact that Carter was in office was coincidental.

It would be like blaming Bush for 9-11. Coincidental if you consider Gore could have been in office.

It would also be like blaming Reagan for the Marine Barracks in Lebanon in 1983. 220 Marines died in that blast including 2 good friends of mine. It is coincidental that Reagan was in office. It could have easily been Jimmy Carter's second term.

Yet Carter was blamed for a failed rescue attempt to free the hostages in Iran. This is widely accounted for Carter's failed re-election bid. Eight servicemen were killed.

I too can pick apart Biden's foreign policy mantra.

Along with McCain and Obama.

I am deeply concerned about any "career" politician running for office. The founding fathers did not intend any of this to become a "career".

Someone who has been in office 16-20 should be questioned as to why have not the issues today and yesterday have not been corrected.

[fab]

To think that Carter is to blame for changes in Iran and the rise of Hezbollah is a stretch.

I think you're really stretching on my thread. Biden was blaming Bush for something that was completely fictitious. If you're (Biden) going to randomly throw out garbage, at least have the right person involved. I wasn't blaming Carter, although he has lots to blame about. You're taking one word out of my post. Again, basically everything he said was outright wrong. This is what Palin actually correctly called Biden on for finger pointing. What you're saying is exactly my point, and the problem with Obama's entire campaign. Bush is to blame for everything, and McCain is Bush 2. They can make anything up, take credit for anything, remove credit, and creatively blame whatever they feel. Bush has been president for 8 years, and there is Congress and Senate and previous presidents, as well as fate.

[Gerry]

I assure you it was not "one word" that I see flawed.

In regards to the debate and campaign speeches, there is not a single word that is not already bought and paid for.

To get a glimpse of what the candidates said and what is the "truth", the this:

Presidential debate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...bate_no_1.html

VP debate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...in_debate.html

[fab]

I assure you it was not "one word" that I see flawed.

In regards to the debate and campaign speeches, there is not a single word that is not already bought and paid for.

To get a glimpse of what the candidates said and what is the "truth", the this:

Presidential debate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...bate_no_1.html

VP debate:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...in_debate.html

Sorry again, you are completely wrong. Not one mention at factcheck regarding what I had mentioned. You are basically strengthening my point.

I assure you it was not "one word" that I see flawed.

What specifically do you see flawed?

[H2FC]

sorry fab....you lost any credibility with me when you suggested we watch the Glenn Beck video....he's the dumbest clown ever to have his own tv show.

[fab]

sorry fab....you lost any credibility with me when you suggested we watch the Glenn Beck video....he's the dumbest clown ever to have his own tv show.

You've got some sort of phobia. The clip is nothing about him, it's about Reagan, Carter, Gore, McCain and Bush Sr. Try keeping an open mind, it won't hurt. There's really nothing in the clip about him, except for the first few words.

If you're an Obama supporter, who agrees to have some sorts of talks with serious enimies, why can't you bother listening to a short clip?

[DomainsInc]

I think it would be easier for me to elected PM of Canada, after I get citizenship that is.

If you really want to here how stupid our presidents are, I recommend this video.
http://www.glennbeck.com/ on the right "Real Story - Energy Independence" Nothing to worry about, even though he's a conservative. Video is only three minutes.

I'm not sure if Canada has similar laws against citizens not born in Canada being able to run for PM or not but Harper is a pretty smart guy. Hes not afraid to admit mistakes and doesn't play games like the GOP. I would probably vote for him but since I don't like the majority of conserative ideals, I won't. I usually vote for the Liberals but Dion is all about his "green shift" which would chase away big business and up gas prices even further which isn't what I feel we need in the current economic climate. The NDP are a bit too socialist for me. Nice ideas but ones that rarely work out in real life. And the Bloc, well they just represent Quebec. He knows he won't be elected PM and admits it.

[fab]

I'm not sure if Canada has similar laws against citizens not born in Canada being able to run for PM or not but Harper is a pretty smart guy. Hes not afraid to admit mistakes and doesn't play games like the GOP. I would probably vote for him but since I don't like the majority of conserative ideals, I won't. I usually vote for the Liberals but Dion is all about his "green shift" which would chase away big business and up gas prices even further which isn't what I feel we need in the current economic climate. The NDP are a bit too socialist for me. Nice ideas but ones that rarely work out in real life. And the Bloc, well they just represent Quebec. He knows he won't be elected PM and admits it.

Thanks for enlightening us a little about Canadian politics. I think it's about time we stopped bashing US politicians and started going over the boarder.

While I've got you on-line. There is something I'm interested out of curiosity.
Do you really have to regularly change languages while speaking in parliament?
Do Quebecians really frown upon people speaking English?
Are there different laws like child stipends in Quebec, than the rest of Canada?

Did you see the clip?

[Gerry]

fab, I really think you need to go back and re-read your own words.

I am completely wrong?

Simply amazing.

I correct you on historical facts and you attempt to rebuff them.

I provide you a link regard debate facts from BOTH candidates and you now claim that I have strengthened your points.

Sorry if you feel that you have made errors in your assessments, but facts are facts and both candidates got the facts incorrect.

But do go on and tell me where I am "wrong".

I'll be watching football in the meantime.