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**nameslave** · 07-19-2008, 03:49 PM

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Lets see now you think that just because a lot of countries have socialized medicine that its a success? Its a worldwide failure. I only pointed out Canada as an example because your from there. You should know how bad it is. Your own government says their healthcare system is a failure!!!

Sure, it's a world wide failure. When you argue that the sun rises in the west, the sensible minds HAVE TO rest.

By the way, last I checked, Canada is still a free country, and people do NOT just buy what "their own government" say. And WHICH government are you talking about? You should have known that we do have more than one government at a time.

**bd77** · 07-19-2008, 04:08 PM

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Sure, it's a world wide failure. When you argue that the sun rises in the west, the sensible minds HAVE TO rest.

By the way, last I checked, Canada is still a free country, and people do NOT just buy what "their own government" say. And WHICH government are you talking about? You should have known that we do have more than one government at a time.

Obviously I'm talking about the current one.The Prime Minister and Parliament agree its a failure as does the majority of Canadian citizens. Does it really matter? You and I are never going to agree on this....you like government run healthcare and I like the private sector.

**Devil Dog** · 07-19-2008, 09:32 PM

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Yes you have touched a nerve. Your like so many on this forum who overlooks Barack Obama's radicalism in his past.When anyone criticizes Obama its always labeled an attack by people like you and somehow race is always brought into it. To me Obama represents fail policies of the past....once people realize this he won't even come close to beating McCain in November.

BTW I like how you refuse to admit that Robert Byrd and his kind still have a position in the Democratic party. You know the party that has minorities best interests at hand.

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The only aliens in America are illegal aliens. Mostly coming from are southern border.

How can I possibly take someone like this seriously?

Can't wait to see your faces come November.

**bd77** · 07-19-2008, 10:23 PM

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How can I possibly take someone like this seriously?

Can't wait to see your faces come November.

You might know something about domaining but when it comes to politics you have no clue like so many on this forum. You have no idea how bad Obama will be for our country. He will takes us right off the cliff.

BTW what do think your doing taking posts of mine from other threads and putting them here? One has nothing to do with the other.

**nameslave** · 07-19-2008, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bd77

Obviously I'm talking about the current one.The Prime Minister and Parliament agree its a failure as does the majority of Canadian citizens. Does it really matter? You and I are never going to agree on this....you like government run healthcare and I like the private sector.

I said Canada has more than one government AT A TIME. And in case you are not aware of it, health care is a PROVINCIAL jurisdiction, so the current MINORITY right wing Federal government have little to do with it. But more importantly, the majority of Canadians NEVER disapprove this *publicly-funded, privately delivered* health care system, so please do not make it sound like they do.

Anyway, I'm NOT trying to convince you about the benefit of public health care; I wrote that because you said Obama is a "radical socialist" for his suggesting universal health care, which is clearly a misleading statement to say the least. I just want to make sure OTHERS who are also reading will not be misled, because universal health care is actually a basic HUMAN RIGHT.

**Raider** · 07-20-2008, 07:22 AM

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Can't wait to see your faces come November.

I hope I don't have to see the look on peoples faces when were attacked again like we were on 911... We've already seen that look and it wasn't very pleasant, was it?.

I pulled this from a story today;

Barack Obama advocates an unconditional withdrawal that ignores the facts on the ground and the advice of our top military commanders," McCain foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann said Saturday. "John McCain believes withdrawal must be based on conditions on the ground.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/maliki_obama

What is your position on the pullout DD? A set timetable or Based on conditions on the ground?

**Devil Dog** · 07-20-2008, 08:43 AM

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I hope I don't have to see the look on peoples faces when were attacked again like we were on 911... We've already seen that look and it wasn't very pleasant, was it?.

I pulled this from a story today;

Barack Obama advocates an unconditional withdrawal that ignores the facts on the ground and the advice of our top military commanders," McCain foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann said Saturday. "John McCain believes withdrawal must be based on conditions on the ground.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/maliki_obama

What is your position on the pullout DD? A set timetable or Based on conditions on the ground?

Obama's called for a pullout of troops in Iraq and deploying more to Afghanistan, something that should have been done in 2003. There were more of us that died in Afghanistan last month than all of Iraq.

We should've never been in Iraq in the first place. Al Queda in Iraq didn't exist until we invaded.

**Seraphim** · 07-20-2008, 11:58 AM

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Barack Obama advocates an unconditional withdrawal that ignores the facts on the ground and the advice of our top military commanders," McCain foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann said Saturday. "John McCain believes withdrawal must be based on conditions on the ground.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but first he advocated an immediate unconditional withdrawal, but now he's shifted again, and has been saying any withdrawal will be based on conditions on the ground. This is exactly what he did on the Iran nuclear crisis, first he advocated immediate unconditional diplomacy, but again once Hillary was defeated, he switched over to diplomacy only if certain benchmarks are met. He's all over the board.

My feeling is what Barack says today, will have no bearing whatsoever on his actual policies once elected. He's capable of saying completely different things depending on his target audience, just watch his AIPAC speech, where he came out more hardline on the Iranian and Palestinian issue than the Israeli government themselves. I voted for him in the primary election, but I won't vote for him in the general election. The guy is either recklessly inconsistent, or extremely easy to influence, probably both.

**bd77** · 07-20-2008, 12:26 PM

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Obama's called for a pullout of troops in Iraq and deploying more to Afghanistan, something that should have been done in 2003. There were more of us that died in Afghanistan last month than all of Iraq.

We should've never been in Iraq in the first place. Al Queda in Iraq didn't exist until we invaded.

Whether or not you like it Saddam Hussein had to go. He was a firebrand in the Middle East. He also was a known supporter of terrorist organizations throughout his time as dictator of Iraq. To me his support of any terrorist organization warranted his removal from office.

Your going to be sorely disappointed if Obama becomes president. He's not going to pull our troops of Iraq or Afghanistan. He's already going back on his word of pulling out right away to the dismay of liberals across the country.

BTW How is it going in Iraq? Must be going a lot better since I don't have the liberal media giving me the daily horror story. Nothing to report means things are going good.

**Raider** · 07-20-2008, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil Dog

Obama's called for a pullout of troops in Iraq and deploying more to Afghanistan, something that should have been done in 2003.

Yes I know, but that doesn't answer my question;

What is your position on the pullout DD? A set timetable or Based on conditions on the ground? With your experience in the military, this shouldn't be hard to answer.

**nameslave** · 07-20-2008, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Devil Dog

We should've never been in Iraq in the first place. Al Queda in Iraq didn't exist until we invaded.

Ironic but true. The war against Iraq has "funded" Al-Qaeda (and other wannabes) with new blood, and we're now in a CLEARLY less safe world than 8 years ago.

**bd77** · 07-20-2008, 08:33 PM

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Ironic but true. The war against Iraq has "funded" Al-Qaeda (and other wannabes) with new blood, and we're now in a CLEARLY less safe world than 8 years ago.

I feel safe and its because we haven't had an attack since 9/11.You have to give most of the credit to Bush on that one. Because of the efforts of our troops in Iraq Al Qaeda is pretty much no more there. Because of the substantial loses they have suffered in Iraq they are now trying to regroup in Pakistan. Now if Pakistan's President would allow us to move ground troops into Pakistan we could clean up the terrorist cells there to but I don't have any faith in that happen anytime soon.

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I just want to make sure OTHERS who are also reading will not be misled, because universal health care is actually a basic HUMAN RIGHT.

Sorry I didn't reply sooner. Socialized Medicine is not a human right its a HUMAN TRAGEDY. I'm not going to go into details all you have to do is google it and you will find plenty of horror stories. The sooner you and other Canadians except this the better off you will be.

**Raider** · 07-20-2008, 09:31 PM

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I feel safe and its because we haven't had an attack since 9/11.You have to give most of the credit to Bush on that one.

It's not going to happen Don, The likelihood of you getting a Democrat or Liberal to acknowledge this simple fact, is almost ZERO. To do so, they would be crediting Bush and all his success on fighting terrorism...

Clinton was capable of fighting terrorism, but Public opinion and looking good in front of the camera was more important to Clinton, More important than the security of our nation. Honestly, I don't see it being any different with Obama, You cant fight a war on terror and do all the things you say your going to do... Where is the money going to come from to pay for it?, Guess we'll have to wait for the debates for that one.

**HarveyJ** · 07-21-2008, 01:08 AM

People... why continue to argue?

The thing about those that lean towards the right in their view do so under the assumption that they ARE always... right...
Being even a moderate or a centrist makes you some sort of radical left wing socialist intent on destroying the family, state and church.

As for Obama, I think presidential nominee Kang said it best with:

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"Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others"

The tragedy of that statement is how few of you appreciate what a true irony it really is.

**Raider** · 07-21-2008, 05:16 AM

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The thing about those that lean towards the right in their view do so under the assumption that they ARE always... right...

The same can be said for Democrats and Liberals....

Many here contributed a number of facts, Instead of making statements like this one, Why not attempt to disprove it or is that too much work?

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Being even a moderate or a centrist makes you some sort of radical left wing socialist intent on destroying the family, state and church.

Another blanket statement based on ignorance.

**jasdon11** · 07-21-2008, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bd77

I feel safe and its because we haven't had an attack since 9/11.You have to give most of the credit to Bush on that one. Because of the efforts of our troops in Iraq Al Qaeda is pretty much no more there. Because of the substantial loses they have suffered in Iraq they are now trying to regroup in Pakistan. Now if Pakistan's President would allow us to move ground troops into Pakistan we could clean up the terrorist cells there to but I don't have any faith in that happen anytime soon.

Unbelievable!

So you actually believe that a BS war in Iraq is keeping terrorists away from the US??? Maybe they can't get a visa huh....or is it the queues at the airports? Being a suicide bomber just ain't so easy any more....

Don't you think that it's just a teeny bit strange that there haven't been any attacks for 7 years - even though there are now millions more people with a grudge against America? We're talking people who would happily blow themselves up if it meant they took out one of you. Terrorists, terrorists, terrorists - how many times have you been brainwashed with that word?

Don't kid yourself - 'real' terrorists cannot be defeated by wars. It's like trying to change someones beliefs by force; can't be done.

The next time The States takes a hit, will be as a precursor to invade another country.

What is truly frightening, is that people so gullible are allowed to vote!