Bill Clinton to campaign for Obama - Help or Hurt?

[Raider]

With Bill Clinton's complete neglect for National Security that allowed the terrorist movement to build during his entire term as President, which led to the attack on 911, Not to mention the 2nd President in American history to be Impeached, I would think Clinton would be a Liability to Obama....

Will he?


Clinton says he's ready to campaign for Obama

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080717/...a_bill_clinton

[cursal]

I think it would hurt.

Obama and his team will do fine if he sticks to his values.

Even if people think he's drifting to the middle.
Because that is where compromise is at:
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ISLE

I don't want a left wing country or right wing country I would like a united country.

Edit to add*
just saw this on the link provided
"Obama campaign raises $52 million in June"

[nameslave]

Don't worry, the right wingers who hate Bill Clinton (and think he completely neglected national security which therefore led to 9/11) would never vote for the Democrats ANYWAY; so it's the liberal minds that count. Just like last time, Al Gore actually lost it to the left: he's not "green" enough (vs. Ralph Nader), and he distanced himself from Bill Clinton.

As a matter of FACT, Bill Clinton has the historically highest approval rating upon departure as president, so go figure.

[Seraphim]

Originally Posted by cursal

I think it would hurt.

Obama and his team will do fine if he sticks to his values.

Even if people think he's drifting to the middle.
Because that is where compromise is at:
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ISLE

I don't want a left wing country or right wing country I would like a united country.

Edit to add*
just saw this on the link provided
"Obama campaign raises $52 million in June"

There's compromise, and then there's Obamamise. The later is an extremely rare human genetic anomaly shared only with the chameleon.

[bd77]

Originally Posted by cursal

I think it would hurt.

Obama and his team will do fine if he sticks to his values.

Even if people think he's drifting to the middle.
Because that is where compromise is at:
IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ISLE

I don't want a left wing country or right wing country I would like a united country.

Edit to add*
just saw this on the link provided
"Obama campaign raises $52 million in June"

Obama is like most every other politician in the world he has no values. He flip flops on every issue depending who he's give a speech to at the time. A lot of people(mostly kids) think he's the greatest thing since sliced bread but their going to be disappointed when they find out he's just a puppet who will be taking his orders from the likes of Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi, two career Washington politicians.

Originally Posted by Raider

With Bill Clinton's complete neglect for National Security that allowed the terrorist movement to build during his entire term as President, which led to the attack on 911, Not to mention the 2nd President in American history to be Impeached, I would think Clinton would be a Liability to Obama....

Will he?


Clinton says he's ready to campaign for Obama

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080717/...a_bill_clinton

I think it would hurt him. We all know why bill is so interested in helping Obama. He needs a new job you know like being the person who interviews pretty young interns for the Obama administration.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by bd77

I think it would hurt him. We all know why bill is so interested in helping Obama. He needs a new job you know like being the person who interviews pretty young interns for the Obama administration.

Bill only does something if theirs something personally in it for him, (includin getting laid ) Remember his hope was to be Ambassador to the World if Hillary was elected, I very much doubt that's changed, perhaps he's thinking he can get the job with Obama as Prez... You know very well the Clintons are making back room deals, Hillary with her campaign debt and Bill with his Ambassador position.

Found this article, it's quite a good read..... I like this paragraph best;

Bill Clinton as Ambassador to the World?
http://www.truthnews.us/?p=296


Global distrust and resentment toward the United States did not begin with George W. Bush; Clinton, as president, fueled it, too. The true legacy of the first Clinton White House around the world precludes the former president’s illusory claim that he can somehow be the magician that would “restore America’s standing.” While Bill Clinton remains popular inside the United States, and perhaps among white elites in Europe, he would be an albatross, not a talisman, around the neck of future US policy in the Middle East and Africa. But that’s not all. His Latin America policies are remembered particularly bitterly in this hemisphere.

[biggedon]

lol


what a load of speculation...

i met Mr Obama when he was a "state senator", before he became US Senator.

very humble and approachable person, regardless of the left or right side of politics...

even in this depressed economy, people are putting their money where their mouths are for his campaign


"resist the spin" to see the real truth

[Raider]

Originally Posted by biggedon

i met Mr Obama when he was a "state senator", before he became US Senator.

very humble and approachable person, regardless of the left or right side of politics...

I fail to see how meeting Obama relates to what were discussing....

I remember sitting very near to Joseph Estrada while he was President of the Philippines on a 16 hour flight from Manila to LAX, seems his brother passed away in San Francisco. I got to talk to him and found him to be a very a humble and approachable person too, He was very well liked among Filipinos, needless to say; we all know what happened to him.

[nameslave]

Originally Posted by biggedon

lol


what a load of speculation...

biggedon is a nice guy as always. I would say they're no more than a load of BS.

Some people just don't understand those smear tactics only work for the right-wingers who NEVER like Bill Clinton since day 1. The truth is, Bill Clinton is still very popular even now (special thanks to George W. Bush, so people can compare), and that's why the smear. On the other hand, I would LOVE to see George W. Bush actively campaigning for McCain. LOL!

[draggar]

Personally I don't care who endorses Obama and who doesn't, and it shouldn't to anyone. What should matter is the person / people (including VP) who are running and the voters' opinions of them.

To me, I'll be indifferent if Bill endorses him or not.

I'm still undecided but the only thing that would affect me is if Hillary got the nod for VP. You can be guaranteed that my vote in November would be against Hillary going back into the White House.

[stock_post]

I would like to see Obama make crear statements on issues insted of BS.
so, I can make a decission.

[bd77]

Originally Posted by biggedon

lol


what a load of speculation...

i met Mr Obama when he was a "state senator", before he became US Senator.

very humble and approachable person, regardless of the left or right side of politics...

even in this depressed economy, people are putting their money where their mouths are for his campaign


"resist the spin" to see the real truth

Yes I see the truth and the truth is that Obama is a radical socialist. He's the biggest fraud ever concocted on the American people. If he is elected president he will go down in history as another Jimmy Carter.

[Area52]

Originally Posted by stock_post

I would like to see Obama make crear statements on issues insted of BS.
so, I can make a decission.

Evidently, alot of people are attracted to BS. Just the very fact that he is unclear should tell you something.
And being that Bill Clinton is all too familiar with BS...

[nameslave]

Originally Posted by bd77

Yes I see the truth and the truth is that Obama is a radical socialist.

COME ON! Obama is not even close to being a socialist, albeit radical. This is not Europe, or even Canada. But I would quit my job and volunteer for his campaign, IF that is the case.

[Raider]

Originally Posted by nameslave

Don't worry, the right wingers who hate Bill Clinton (and think he completely neglected national security which therefore led to 9/11) would never vote for the Democrats ANYWAY;

We don't "think" he neglected national security, we KNOW he did. It's a fact, no disputing it.... Those favorable of Clinton are just closing their eyes to his incompetence as President... The Philippine Government knew of the Al Qaeda plot to fly planes into buildings BEFORE it happened and warned the US, We had tighter airport security before 911 than you have today, I know because I witnessed it.

Look over this list and tell me if you think any of it is fabricated....

BILL CLINTON'S TRUE LEGACY TO AMERICA.

1993-ATTACK ON THE WORLD TRADE CENTER
Treated as a "crime" with no foreign terrorist involvement. However, Blind Islamic Radical Sheik is convicted for conspiracy. Bin Laden named as an "un-indicted co-conspirator" in 1996. The same year he is offered to the Clinton Administration by the Sudan and refused saying they don't have enough evidence to convict him. Bill Clinton never visits site.

1993-18 Soldiers killed in Somalia and 84 wounded in attack planned by bin Laden. Clinton pulls troops out of Somalia. bin Laden claims victory and gains status with his followers as one who is able to make the "Great Satan" run. Somalia falls into a chaos that remains to this day.

1993- the FBI identified three "charities” connected to the terrorist organization Hamas. Clinton ignored pleas that he create a "President’s List” of extremist and terrorist groups. He feared the political fallout of "profiling” Islamic charities. Money continues to flow freely to terrorist organizations for the next 8 years.

1993-The Srebrenica Report (Dutch) revealed in 1993 Clinton embarked on an Iran/Contra like affair with Islamic Terror groups in Bosnia. In both Afghanistan and the Gulf, the Pentagon had incurred debts to Islamist groups and their Middle Eastern sponsors. By 1993 these groups, many supported by Iran and Saudi Arabia, were anxious to help Bosnian Muslims fighting in the former Yugoslavia and called in their debts with the Americans. Bill Clinton and the Pentagon were keen to be seen as creditworthy and repaid in the form of an Iran-Contra style operation - in flagrant violation of the UN security council arms embargo against all combatants in the former Yugoslavia. a mysterious fleet of black C-130 Hercules aircraft appeared and Mojahedin fighters were also flown in. This report has just recently been made public.

1994- Algerian terrorists attempt to hijack French Airliner to fly into the Eiffel Tower. Plane is stormed by French police.

1994-"Terror 2000" was distributed to the Defense Department, State Department, FEMA, intelligence communities and members of Congress. "Targets such as the World Trade Center not only provide the requisite casualties but because of their symbolic nature provide more bang for the buck. In order to maximize their odds for success, terrorist groups will likely consider mounting multiple, simultaneous operations with the aim of overtaxing a government's ability to respond, as well as to demonstrate their professionalism and reach." At the State Department's request, it was "scrubbed" of some details, including how to hit the Pentagon or White House by airplane using the Washington Monument as a landmark.

1995- Then-Rep. Robert Torricelli, D-N.J., made secrets public at the behest of left-wing activist Bianca Jagger, his girlfriend at the time. The secrets suggested that the CIA had on its payroll one or more unsavory characters who had been involved in murder. He compromised American intelligence-gathering abilities around the world, adding that numerous CIA sources had decided to stop giving information for fear they would be outed by a congressman. Torricelli efforts paid off with the Clinton administration, which moved to ban the use of spies or the recruitment of spies that had any involvement with criminals or terrorists. Torricelli effectively blinded the CIA.

1995-5 U. S. soldiers killed in Saudi Arabia in bombing.

1995-Oklahoma City Bombing. 168 dead. Domestic terrorists blamed. Jayna Davis, Oklahoma investigative reporter attempts to turn over evidence she has in the form of security videos and witness testimony to the FBI, but after checking with his superior, the evidence is refused. A Justice Department inspector, one of Clinton's own, admitted that the Oklahoma City bombing investigation "offered one of the worst examples of de facto evidence tampering by the FBI crime labs." Jamie Gorlick, of 9/11 commission fame is in charge of the investigation and effectively blocks the investigation into any foreign involvement.

1995-"Operation Bojinka" plot hatched by an al Qaeda cell with an eye toward blowing up 12 American airliners. Some would be booby-trapped with bombs, like Pan Am 103, others hijacked like the four U.S. jets commandeered on 9-11 and crashed into buildings.

1996-CIA and FBI warn Clinton they have uncovered plot of al Qaeda "Martyrdom Battalion" terrorists to hijack planes and use them as missiles. This apparently is never passed on to the Congress.

1996-Philippine authorities warn the FBI they have received credible information that al Qaeda is planning on hijacking planes and flying them into Federal Buildings. Again, this information apparently stops with Bill Clinton and is never passed on to the proper Congressional Intelligence Committees.

1996-Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 and injured 200 military personnel.

1996-Sudan offers to turn over bin Laden to US through negotiator and Clinton supporter Mr. Mansoor Ijaz. He warns them not to slight the Intelligence Officer in the Sudan by sending an aide to the Sec. of State. They ignore him and send an underling. Insulted by the slight, the Sudan refuses to speak to him. Clinton blows off offer saying they don't have enough evidence to indict bin Laden.

1996-bin Laden leaves Sudan and goes to Afghanistan as a "guest" of Mullah Omar, head of the Taliban.

1997-UNOCAL brought members of the Taliban here to the States to wine and dine them, take them to beach, show them their U.S. offices and take them to Washington to meet with the Clinton State Department. The fact they are harboring a wanted terrorist, bin Laden, is ignored.

1997- Final report of the Gore Commission on Aviation Safety comes out. The DNC received at least $498,000 from the airline industry. There was no deadline by which those requirements would have to be implemented and 2) there was no funding mechanism for ensuring that they were enacted. This insured that none of the recommendations would ever be implemented. Boston Globe, a known liberal newspaper, says Gore, “failed conspicuously to address airline safety.” That failure was traced directly to a series of campaign contributions from the airlines to the DNC.

1997- Warren Christopher resigns as Sec. of State over a conflict with Clinton over the removal of top secret defense technology from the realm of the State Department, with Congressional oversight, to the hands of Ron Brown and the Department of Commerce. He stated that that the president's actions were reckless and may jeopardized the military defense of this nation. Admonished Clinton for planning to hand over to the Communist Chinese, American missile guidance programming source codes embedded in commercial U.S. satellites. Christopher, is said to have told Clinton, the Brown deal could jeopardize "...significant military and intelligence interests..." of the United States missile guidance system. Clinton quietly put out a post dated Executive order protecting the two companies under Congressional investigation from any criminal prosecution.

1997-The Northern Alliance threatens to overrun the Taliban and is poised to remove them from power. The Clinton Administration imposes a cease fire that both sides agree to. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan use this opportunity to re-arm the Taliban army. Clinton knows this is happening, but withholds that information from the Northern Alliance and Congress. This action assures that the Taliban will solidify their power and push back the Northern Alliance.

1997-Madeleine Albright becomes Sec. Of State. She later states, after the attacks, in her defense of Bill Clinton: "This is hard to say and I haven't found a way to say it that doesn't sound crass, but it is the truth that those {attacks before Sept. 11} were happening overseas and while there were Americans who died, there were not thousands and it did not happen on U. S. soil."

1998-Bombing of the U.S. embassies in Africa, which killed 224 and injured 5,000.

1998- bin Laden issued his fatwa urging his followers to target the U. S. and all Americans.

1998- Sudan offered to extradite Sayyid Iskandar Suliman and Sayyid Nazir Abbass to the U.S. for trial. They were wanted by the US for being directly involved in the bombings of its embassy in Kenya and they had intimate knowledge of the operations of the alleged guerrilla chief Osama bin Laden. The State Department, in blocking the FBI from pursuing the lead, noted that Sudan has been listed for over a decade as a state sponsor of terrorism. Yet Sudan, the official said, had asked only for a “dialogue” with the United States toward restoring a more normal diplomatic relationship. Their offer was completely ignored and Clinton instead bombed the al-Shifa pharmaceutical factory in Khartoum.

1998- UNOCAL gave up all hope of a pipeline across Afghanistan and pulled out. Not because of Afghanistan harboring a terrorist, but from pressure from the Women's Rights groups over the Taliban's treatment of women in Afghanistan.

1998-Missile strike against bin Laden's Khost, Afghanistan training camp and a Sudanese pharmaceutical factory to take Monica off the front pages is a total failure. Clinton lobs over $70 million dollars worth of Cruise Missiles at Sudan and Afghanistan hitting nothing but tents, camels and the only pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan. Done without consulting his Joint Chiefs. He informs them of his plans one half hour prior to the attack. Their pleas for him to stop the attack due to inadequate intelligence, are ignored. They later distance themselves from the attack by admitting they were not consulted. The Military Commander in that area said it "would have been a million to one shot."

1999-Ahmed Ressam, an Algerian, is arrested trying to cross the Canadian Border with explosives.

1999-Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, (R-Cal), who has spent time in Afghanistan fighting with the Northern Alliance, received credible information as to the whereabouts of bin Laden in Afghanistan. He immediately contacted the CIA with this information. The Information was never acted on. During the Clinton Administration the Voice of America became known, within Afghanistan, as the Voice of the Taliban. “People go berserk when I say that Clinton supported the Taliban, but that is the truth.” says Rohrabacher.

1999-Gen. Pervez Musharraf overthrows Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Oct. 12 in a military coup. Clinton later claims his plans to obtain bin Laden through millions in pay-offs to the Sharif Government collapse with the coup, which is very odd story since the Sharif Government was a supporter of the Taliban and bin Laden. Indeed, even the Musharraf Government supports the Taliban until after the 9/11 attacks when it becomes healthier to deal with the Taliban than an angry and hostile American military. He sees this as a chance to rid his country of the Islamic radicals that he says are the 1% of the population holding the other 99% hostage.

1999-Clinton’s own secretary of defense, William Cohen, in a July 1999 op-ed piece in the Washington Post, predicted a terrorist attack on America’s mainland.

1999-"Project Megiddo" goes public on FBI website. It is a directive, given in

1995 to FBI from Bill Clinton to direct their investigative efforts towards only domestic terrorism such as the Christian Right and militias. In short, foreign involvement is to be ignored which now explains why no evidence of foreign terrorists involvement was accepted in the Oklahoma City Bombing and downing of TWA Flight 800.

1999-A report, titled "Sociology and Psychology of Terrorism: Who Becomes a Terrorist and Why?," cautioned that Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network might seek revenge for the 1998 U.S. air strike on bin Laden's camps in Afghanistan. It is ignored as merely a psychological report, with no credible sources.

1999- the U.N. imposes sanctions to cut off funds for Taliban arms.

1999-the U.S. finally added bin Laden and his al Qaeda organization to its list of “foreign terrorist organizations”. Still, they did not single out Afghanistan or the Taliban nor add Afghanistan to the list of countries that harbor terrorists, despite the fact bin Laden is harbored there.

1999-Mullah Khaksar, then the Taliban regime's deputy interior minister, met with U.S. diplomats Gregory Marchese and J. Peter McIllwain in Peshawar, Pakistan, in April 1999 and told them he wanted to oust Taliban supreme leader Mullah Mohammed Omar because of his support for Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda terror network. The o