Bill O'Reilly wants a public option Go Bill!!

[Gerry]

I despise people who spread bullshit with a shovel (your mouth) like raider.

Your tactics on this forum are quite known and old, eva.

You first team up and side up with members and then combine those efforts to discredit other members. You need a supporting staff to carry out your tactics because you are quite incapable of standing on your own two feet.

Unfortunately it takes a while for some (like me) to realize they are being used by you. I usually take people on face value and give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

Your words are poison, your sincerity quickly turns to betrayal, and you end up continually time after time looking like the fool that you are. Honestly, if you had to eat your words you would choke. Actually, you do choke quite frequently in a public display of nonsense.

I could care less what you call me. The day I feel like I have to bow down to you for acceptance and credibility will be the day I serve ice water in hell.

If it makes you feel better in attempts to discredit me and call me names, have at it.

Just don't call me for help.

[Mike Cruz]

I despise people who spread bullshit with a shovel (your mouth) like raider.

Your tactics on this forum are quite known and old, eva.

You first team up and side up with members and then combine those efforts to discredit other members. You need a supporting staff to carry out your tactics because you are quite incapable of standing on your own two feet.

Unfortunately it takes a while for some (like me) to realize they are being used by you. I usually take people on face value and give anyone the benefit of the doubt.

Your words are poison, your sincerity quickly turns to betrayal, and you end up continually time after time looking like the fool that you are. Honestly, if you had to eat your words you would choke. Actually, you do choke quite frequently in a public display of nonsense.

I could care less what you call me. The day I feel like I have to bow down to you for acceptance and credibility will be the day I serve ice water in hell.

If it makes you feel better in attempts to discredit me and call me names, have at it.

Just don't call me for help.

Sorry.. "eva", but...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmN9jQwtwHg

[Raider]

Whatever you might be, will be, hope to be, doesn't change the fact that you made the comment above.

A comment I STAND BY.

How can Che Guevara be compared to Adolf Hitler? Lol, really? Do you even know who he is?

I know who he is alright, A COMMUNIST, A MURDERER, JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER. He even executed a 14 year old Girl if I'm not mistaken, Then Castro pumped him up as some kind of hero of the revolution, and idiots like you bought into it. I'm just glad to see the Bolivians got to him and killed this piece of crap.

And you consider him a role model?.

[think]

Ya Raider. We already covered this one including this comment from one of Investors Daily own readers as noted by Doc Com earlier:

Oh, so because Doc denounces the poll, that makes it untrue?

Do you read anything? Read your own post on the survey! The survey was of NINE doctors. The post by Doc was of a physician who reads Investor's Daily that was calling them out on this point:

This poll is nothing more than journalistic grandstanding. it leaves way too much unanswered and serves no one but IBD.

Anyone slightly familiar w/ medical practices knows the burden most physicians operate under in the present system. The huge resources (staff, time, procedures and personal involvement on claims) devoted to wrangling with insurance companies to eek out what's due for their work. Incomes suffer dramatically, as does the amount of personal care one can expect from a doctor. There simply aren't enough hours in the day to "out earn" the insurance company restrictions and frequent denial of claims.

Anyone reading this who is not as biased as the prior commenter, would see that 4/9 is a ratio and not a sample size.

I thought readers of this paper were more intelligent than that. Apparently some members of ACORN snuck into this comment section.

I am shocked that you published an article based on data from ONLY nine respondents. Please tell me this is a mistake and you are ashamed of yourselves. As a physician and educator of future physicians, if I tried to present a study like this with so tiny an amount of data to even my first year medical students, I would be laughed out of the lecture hall. I really wander about the ethics at your organization. Keith Allen Burgard, MD

Or how about the 2nd part of my post?

Investor's Daily said the British health care system would have killed Stephen Hawkings. Hawkings is living in England and is alive because of their health care system:

How Stephen Hawking Proves That Investor's Business Daily's Editorial Page Tells Lies

Stephen Hawking was born in Oxford. He currently teaches at the University of Cambridge. Oxford and Cambridge have something in common: They're both in England. Which makes this editorial in Investor's Business Daily unfortunate indeed.

People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.

Sigh. You could write some long response to the rest of the lies and distortions in that IBD editorial, but the more appropriate reply is to just warn people against ever reading the editorial page in Investor's Business Daily. It's not just that they didn't know that Stephen Hawking was born in England. It's that the underlying point was wrong, as you'll note from the continued existence of Stephen Hawking. They didn't choose an unfortunate example for an accurate point. They simply lied.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...roves_tha.html

My apologies to everyone who understood all of this the first time I posted them......

[Raider]

Just don't call me for help.

Trust me, I WONT.

[Gerry]

Do you read anything?

My apologies to everyone who understood all of this the first time I posted them......

...that does sum up the concrete barriers erected in some minds to keep incoming traffic out.

Cranial Rectal Inversion.

[Mike Cruz]

A comment I STAND BY.

just quoting this before you decide to delete it later after you realize how incredibly ignorant and pathetic you are and so your online "friends" can maybe come to a realistic conclusion of your thoughts and behavior..

I know who he is alright, A COMMUNIST, A MURDERER, JUDGE, JURY AND EXECUTIONER. He even executed a 14 year old Girl if I'm not mistaken, Then Castro pumped him up as some kind of hero of the revolution, and idiots like you bought into it. I'm just glad to see the Bolivians got to him and killed this piece of crap.

And you consider him a role model?.

instead of reading a sentence somewhere and basing your own conclusions on that... read a unbiased book please, then compare his actions to the actions performed by our government, both Republican and democrat.

So close minded and hypocritical you are...

[Raider]

Do you read anything? Read your own post on the survey! The survey was of NINE doctors. The post by Doc was of a physician who reads Investor's Daily that was calling them out on this point:

Like I said before, I posted what I heard on the AP. You asked for a link and I gave you one, Now if you want to argue about the validity, go right ahead, that's your right. It's not going to change my belief that a great percentage of Doctors will in fact be closing their doors if a National Health Care plan passes.

instead of reading a sentence somewhere and basing your own conclusions on that... read a unbiased book please, then compare his actions to the actions performed by our government, both Republican and democrat.

Compare? I keep forgetting that all you dumb and demented liberals think 2 wrongs make a right.

I think it's you who needs a good reading on Che, Nobody in their right mind would even consider using Che's pic as a avatar if they new who this guy really was. NOBODY, except uninformed morons like you of course.

[Mike Cruz]

I think it's you who needs a good reading on Che, Nobody in their right mind would even consider using Che's pic as a avatar if they new who this guy really was. NOBODY, except uninformed morons like you of course.

I will continue to wear it proudly. Not my fault you rather speculate than know the facts, as you so proudly represent throughout this forum.

[think]

Like I said before, I posted what I heard on the AP. You asked for a link and I gave you one, Now if you want to argue about the validity, go right ahead, that's your right. It's not going to change my belief that a great percentage of Doctors will in fact be closing their doors if a National Health Care plan passes.

The validity? I'll side with the 5 doctors surveyed that aren't going out of business. You can side with the other 4 that are going to go out of business. Wow, now that's a survey.

National Health Care plan? What the hell are you talking about? Oh, you must be talking about these guys:

Physicians for a National Health Program is a non-profit research and education organization of 17,000 physicians, medical students and health professionals who support single-payer national health insurance.

http://www.pnhp.org/

Remember. America is the only industrialized nation that refuses to create a universal health care plan to help take of of it's citizens:

Universal health care is implemented in all industrialized countries, with the exception of the United States.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

Yet you claim Obama is calling for a national health care plan when anyone following the health care debate knows all he is calling for is a public option for creating an insurance pool to compete with insurance companies and keep them honest. This is NOT national health care.

[Gerry]

I am in 100% agreement that the Health DELIVERY System, not Health CARE, is broken and needs fixing.

[fab]

Unlike a lot of posters here, I have experience with socialized medicine. To help improve the system here are some previously mentioned suggestions:

1. Mobility - Allowing health insurers work cross state,
2. Tort reform - Eliminate the waste of expenses going into legal costs,
3. Tax Care Credits - For those without insurance from their employers,

My suggestion, which I haven't seen mentioned at all though is, a voucher system, where every citizen would receive a voucher cash equivalent for purchasing health care if they don't have any. If anyone is interesting on hearing more about this, I will go into greater detail. This suggestion is based upon Milton Friedman's education plan.

[Donald Aquilano]

Unlike a lot of posters here, I have experience with socialized medicine. To help improve the system here are some previously mentioned suggestions:

1. Mobility - Allowing health insurers work cross state,
2. Tort reform - Eliminate the waste of expenses going into legal costs,
3. Tax Care Credits - For those without insurance from their employers,

My suggestion, which I haven't seen mentioned at all though is, a voucher system, where every citizen would receive a voucher cash equivalent for purchasing health care if they don't have any. If anyone is interesting on hearing more about this, I will go into greater detail. This suggestion is based upon Milton Friedman's education plan.

Nice post fab. The free market is the only way to fix the health care problems we face today. Another suggestion would be that no insurance company could deny you health coverage for having a preexisting condition. They may charge you more but can't deny you outright.

Government intervention in Health care has failed miserably(Medicare/Medicaid) so why would anyone want a public option for everyone??? The answer of course is power. Those in government want control over every aspect of your life and through health care reform they can get it.

I will continue to wear it proudly. Not my fault you rather speculate than know the facts, as you so proudly represent throughout this forum.

You're kidding right? He was nothing more than a Marxist thug and terrorist. He was chief executioner of Fidel Castro's brutal revolution in Cuba. He was also a bank robber, murderer and torturer. It says a lot about you and your beliefs by having an avatar of him.

[think]

Unlike a lot of posters here, I have experience with socialized medicine. To help improve the system here are some previously mentioned suggestions:

1. Mobility - Allowing health insurers work cross state,
2. Tort reform - Eliminate the waste of expenses going into legal costs,
3. Tax Care Credits - For those without insurance from their employers,

My suggestion, which I haven't seen mentioned at all though is, a voucher system, where every citizen would receive a voucher cash equivalent for purchasing health care if they don't have any. If anyone is interesting on hearing more about this, I will go into greater detail. This suggestion is based upon Milton Friedman's education plan.

Let's look at the facts Fab.

1. A public insurance pool option would end the trouble of buying insurance over state lines.

2. Obama openly discussed a willingness to work on this issue with Republicans in his speech right before Joe Wilson called him a liar.

3. Obama's outline for health care includes tax credits:

Creates a new insurance marketplace – the Exchange – that allows people without insurance and small businesses to compare plans and buy insurance at competitive prices. The President’s plan allows Americans who have health insurance and like it to keep it. But for those who lose their jobs, change jobs or move, new high quality, affordable options will be available in the exchange.

Beginning in 2013, the Exchange will give Americans without access to
affordable insurance on the job, and small businesses one-stop shopping for
insurance where they can easily compare options based on price, benefits, and quality.

• Provides new tax credits to help people buy insurance. The President’s plan
will provide new tax credits on a sliding scale to individuals and families that will limit how much of their income can be spent on premiums. There will also be greater protection for cost-sharing for out-of-pocket expenses.

• Provides small businesses tax credits and affordable options for covering
employees. The President’s plan will also provide small businesses with tax
credits to offset costs of providing coverage for their workers. Small businesses who for too long have faced higher prices than larger businesses, will now be eligible to enter the exchange so that they have lower costs and more choices for covering their workers.

I'll keep saying this until it sinks in.

America is the only industrialized nation that does not provide some form of universal health care for it's citizens:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care

America spends the most money for health care of all the countries in the UN except East Timor

From the same Wikipedia entry above:

Current estimates put U.S. health care spending at more than 15% of GDP, a greater portion than in any other United Nations member state except for East Timor (Timor-Leste).[23]

America ranks 19th of all industrialized nations for numbers of preventable deaths:

France, Japan and Australia rated best and the United States worst in new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions in 19 leading industrialized nations, researchers said on Tuesday.

If the U.S. health care system performed as well as those of those top three countries, there would be 101,000 fewer deaths in the United States per year, according to researchers writing in the journal Health Affairs.

http://www.reuters.com/article/lates.../idUSN07651650

45,000 Americans are dying every year due to lack of health insurance:

Harvard study: 45,000 uninsured Americans die every year

Having no health insurance means an early death to almost 45,000 people in the United States annually—almost two-and-a-half times the number previously estimated—according to a study recently published in the American Journal of Public Health.

http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publ...cle_6458.shtml

Health insurance company whistle blowers are telling us how insurance companies work to deny claims of the people they employ:

Last month, testimony in front of the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce, Science and Transportation by a former health insurance insider named Wendell Potter made news even before it occurred: CBS NEWS headlined: "Cigna Whistleblower to Testify." After Potter's testimony the industry scrambled to do damage control: "Insurers defend rescissions, take heat for lack of transparency."

In his first extended television interview since leaving the health insurance industry, Wendell Potter tells Bill Moyers why he left his successful career as the head of Public Relations for CIGNA, one of the nation's largest insurers, and decided to speak out against the industry. "I didn't intend to [speak out], until it became really clear to me that the industry is resorting to the same tactics they've used over the years, and particularly back in the early '90s, when they were leading the effort to kill the Clinton plan."

Potter began his trip from health care spokesperson to reform advocate while back home in Tennessee. Potter attended a "health care expedition," a makeshift health clinic set up at a fairgrounds, and he tells Bill Moyers, "It was absolutely stunning. When I walked through the fairground gates, I saw hundreds of people lined up, in the rain. It was raining that day. Lined up, waiting to get care, in animal stalls. Animal stalls."

Looking back over his long career, Potter sees an industry corrupted by Wall Street expectations and greed. According to Potter, insurers have every incentive to deny coverage — every dollar they don't pay out to a claim is a dollar they can add to their profits, and Wall Street investors demand they pay out less every year. Under these conditions, Potter says, "You don't think about individual people. You think about the numbers, and whether or not you're going to meet Wall Street's expectations."

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07102009/profile.html

So tell me again why we don't need health care reform in America.....