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i saw him stating that position on tv the other day
he see's the logic in a public option, which is something that hasn't been seen by many conservatives/republicans who oppose that plan.
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Bill O'Reilly states clearly that he wants a public option:
http://www.newshounds.us/2009/09/17/...lic_option.php
Recant forthcoming?
i saw him stating that position on tv the other day
he see's the logic in a public option, which is something that hasn't been seen by many conservatives/republicans who oppose that plan.
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I was of the mindset that he had perhaps misspoke. If he is sincere that is very cool. I full-heartedly agree it is logical to have a public option.Originally Posted by biggedon
The rest of the modern world has some form of universal health care to help it's citizens lead a better life. I have to admit I was unaware until early this year that America is the only industrialized nation without any kind of universal health care for it's citizens:
It is sad so many people don't know this fact and that they have been duped into thinking universal health care is some sort of socialist conspiracy......Universal health care is health care coverage for all eligible residents of a political region and often covers medical, dental and mental health care. Typically, costs are borne in the majority by government-funded programs.
"Single-payer health insurance" is used to describe the primary systems of health care funding used in Canada and the United Kingdom. Multi-payer systems are used in France and Germany, but like Canada and the United Kingdom, health care in both of these countries is primarily financed by publicly controlled insurers.
Health care systems vary according to the extent of government involvement in providing care, ranging from nationalized health care systems (such as the U.K. and Sweden) to decentralized private or non-profit institutions (as in Germany and France). Universal health care is implemented in all industrialized countries, with the exception of the United States.[1] It is also provided in many developing countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care
Key word is seen.
This clearly is a public brawl based on who proposes it and not based on content.
Very disheartening when the issue is the spectacle and not the matter to be discussed.
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Hey Doc
perhaps i should rephrase my previous statement.
maybe other gops/conservatives "do" see the logic, and because of "special interests", that's why they resist it so much.
Socialized medicine is a failure around the world and you all want to embrace it. If you think my statement isn't true please provide an example of one. Anytime the government gets involved in any type of program they f u c k it up. Just look at Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security they are all bankrupt.
Bill O'reilly has stated years ago that he doesn't consider himself to be a Republican or a conservative. He likes to think of himself as a moderate. You all must of missed it?
There a lot of great things about health care in America. On the very high end of research we do have some of the best doctors and facilities. America has been an innovator in health care in many high tech areas.
Still care for the average person lacks in almost every way in comparison with all the other industrialized countries who have some for of universal health care. You know countries like Canada, France, Britain, Germany, Australia, Sweden. All those evil socialist nations (please note heavy heavy sarcasm)
1. America ranks NUMBER ONE for the highest health costs per person in the world except East Timor. 15% of our GDP is spent on healthcare:
The United States is the only industrialized nation that does not have a universal health care system.[1] The government directly covers 27.8% of the population[17] through health care programs for the elderly, disabled, military service families and veterans, children, and some of the poor, through Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, and TRICARE.[18][19] Federal law ensures public access to emergency services regardless of ability to pay.[20] Some analysts say that this unfunded “safety net” mandate has contributed to increasing strain on the health system, because of the many patients who cannot pay their bills for emergency treatment. Furthermore, this system encourages use of the emergency facilities for primary care and not just for emergency purposes. [21] Certain types of medical spending, particularly health insurance, benefit from significant tax subsidies; in particular, employer-sponsored health insurance is a non-taxable benefit. In all, government spending accounted for 45.1% of total health spending in the U.S. in 2005.[22] Current estimates put U.S. health care spending at more than 15% of GDP, a greater portion than in any other United Nations member state except for East Timor (Timor-Leste).[23]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health_care
2. When it comes to preventable deaths we came in dead last of all the industrialized nations:
3. The World Health Organization study has us ranking 37th in the world for health care:France best, U.S. worst in preventable death ranking
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - France, Japan and Australia rated best and the United States worst in new rankings focusing on preventable deaths due to treatable conditions in 19 leading industrialized nations, researchers said on Tuesday.
If the U.S. health care system performed as well as those of those top three countries, there would be 101,000 fewer deaths in the United States per year, according to researchers writing in the journal Health Affairs.
Researchers Ellen Nolte and Martin McKee of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine tracked deaths that they deemed could have been prevented by access to timely and effective health care, and ranked nations on how they did.
http://www.reuters.com/article/healt...65165020080108
Or maybe you'd like to look at life expectancy where we rank 50th in the world:The findings are published today, 21 June, in The World Health Report 2000 – Health systems: Improving performance*.
The U.S. health system spends a higher portion of its gross domestic product than any other country but ranks 37 out of 191 countries according to its performance, the report finds. The United Kingdom, which spends just six percent of GDP on health services, ranks 18 th . Several small countries – San Marino, Andorra, Malta and Singapore are rated close behind second- placed Italy.
http://www.who.int/whr/2000/media_ce.../en/index.html
Please take some time and post your findings on how we rank for health care. I look forward to it.
Why are people calling this socialized medicine - now - in 2009 - when the US Government has been offering healthcare - for decades.
But now, for whatever reason, people want to ***** about the government getting into the healthcare business?
They've been doing it for eons.
So, who wants to be the first to tell their parents and grandparents that the only death squads out there are those who want the government OUT of their healthcare!
"Just a lot of embarrassment, embarrassed to be part of group of domainers who would do this to their fellow man.",
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They reported today that 2/3rds of Doctors in private practice are against nationalized health care, many claiming they will quit if it passes.
Oh, but somebody's golf buddy who is a Doctor is all for it.. LMAO!
What I want to know is;, which nobody seems to want to talk about, How is our current system going to handle the enormous extra load of patients once this passes? I have to book a week in advance and wait almost 2 hours to see my doctor now, what is that wait time expected to turn into? Or should be wait until nationalized health care passes to find out?
Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
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Lordy, don't tell me he's a Colin Powell wannabe.
I'm gonna go burn all of my dvds.
Just kidding. Who cares?
He's like Obama. Swings with the best offer.
Please post a link to this survey you so boldy post as the gospel.They reported today that 2/3rds of Doctors in private practice are against nationalized health care, many claiming they will quit if it passes.
Oh, but somebody's golf buddy who is a Doctor is all for it.. LMAO!
What I want to know is;, which nobody seems to want to talk about, How is our current system going to handle the enormous extra load of patients once this passes? I have to book a week in advance and wait almost 2 hours to see my doctor now, what is that wait time expected to turn into? Or should be wait until nationalized health care passes to find out?
As for the wait you NOW endure I have no idea but it is apparent from your post you don't want anyone else getting health care since you got yours and that is all that matters to you. No offer of any solution like employing more doctors and nurses or anything like that. Just a big fear statement of longer waits because you believe it but have no facts to back it up.
Especially since Obama isn't proposing nationalized health care. There is a HUGE difference between single payer (Nationalized health care) and a public option for creating an insurance pool.
You can claim a public option will lead to national health care but that isn't what is being proposed and damn it you know that. You, like Rush, just hate Obama so much you want to see him fail regardless the cost to America and Americans. That is your right but it isn't patriotic and it isn't productive in getting America's health care system fixed. All I've seen you do is piss and moan. Where's your health care plan?
How many developed nations have some form of universal health care? Is every government that cares enough to ensure it's citizens gets access to health care some socialist boogyman to you?
Bogus information is what spawns bogus comments.
Two thirds of doctors?
We'll label that ELEPHANT DUNG, of the GOP type.
What someone does not realize and will not even look up (and who claims to be "well schooled") is those questions have in fact been addressed and answered. Even some addressed on this forum.
If you complain about having to wait 2 hours in the doctor's office then consider changing doctors. Or go to the ER, THE PLACE that all the uninsured go to because they know they can not be turned away (see EMTALA).
Doctors are not against a national health care plan. They are wanting more changes, especially regarding malpractice insurance and streamlining of claims - aka the "one payor" system.
In order to make an informed decision, one must be able to consider both sides of the issue which apparently many here do not want to take the time to do. It is so easy to jump on the bandwagon and go for that ride when no one knows where the brakes are.
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Bogus huh?....LMAO.
Yeah, everything is bogus to you when it goes against your argument huh? And what's proven to be true, must of course be Bush's fault... LMAO.
What's so funny is watching a Nurse who cleans bed pans, trying to school us on health care....
I'll do better, I'll post the whole story AND post a link.
45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
By TERRY JONES, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 09/15/2009 07:09 PM ET
Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.
The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby — the powerful American Medical Association — both of which suggest the medical profession is behind the proposed overhaul.
It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the doctors polled disagree with the administration's claim that the government can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost.
The IBD/TIPP Poll was conducted by mail the past two weeks, with 1,376 practicing physicians chosen randomly throughout the country taking part. Responses are still coming in, and doctors' positions on related topics — including the impact of an overhaul on senior care, medical school applications and drug development — will be covered later in this series.
Major findings included:
• Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government expansion plan. This contradicts the administration's claims that doctors are part of an "unprecedented coalition" supporting a medical overhaul.
It also differs with findings of a poll released Monday by National Public Radio that suggests a "majority of physicians want public and private insurance options," and clashes with media reports such as Tuesday's front-page story in the Los Angeles Times with the headline "Doctors Go For Obama's Reform."
Nowhere in the Times story does it say doctors as a whole back the overhaul. It says only that the AMA — the "association representing the nation's physicians" and what "many still regard as the country's premier lobbying force" — is "lobbying and advertising to win public support for President Obama's sweeping plan."
The AMA, in fact, represents approximately 18% of physicians and has been hit with a number of defections by members opposed to the AMA's support of Democrats' proposed health care overhaul.
• Four of nine doctors, or 45%, said they "would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement" if Congress passes the plan the Democratic majority and White House have in mind.
More than 800,000 doctors were practicing in 2006, the government says. Projecting the poll's finding onto that population, 360,000 doctors would consider quitting.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnal...aspx?id=506199
Yeah, you really nailed it there Think.. My opposition cant possibly have anything to do with a Government run health care system, Shortages of Doctors, Nurses and Hospitals, NO SIR, it's strictly because I don't want others to have it.
If idiots could fly, DNF would be an Airport.
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Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
I don't mind you defending your argument.. but why try to disgrace someones occupation at the same time? Especially someone who holds a position who helps people and actually tries to save lives?What's so funny is watching a Nurse who cleans bed pans, trying to school us on health care....
You should be just as proud and thankful for people like doc who are nurses and choose to live there life helping people in need as you would for our troops.
What have you done in your life to compare?
There is no question that you lack any respect for anyone who opposes YOUR OPINION, but to show this type of disrespect to anyone in this industry is truly disgraceful and pathetic.
I think you should of thought out that post a little bit before publishing it, because most likely that tiny bit of support you have at the moment will mostly go 'bye-bye' after reading your statement and if they don't... well, that shows a lot about the people who are actually supporting you.
Let's see what happens if you get really sick and end up in the hospital... you think its going to be the doctor in there 24/7 with you til you get better? Hah... You will be lucky if you see him/her more than 1 time.
Oh and please, since I know it is coming, flame me for being in the right here... let's see how off topic you can go to defend yourself...
Ya Raider. We already covered this one including this comment from one of Investors Daily own readers as noted by Doc Com earlier:Bogus huh?....LMAO.
Yeah, everything is bogus to you when it goes against your argument huh? And what's proven to be true, must of course be Bush's fault... LMAO.
What's so funny is watching a Nurse who cleans bed pans, trying to school us on health care....
I'll do better, I'll post the whole story AND post a link.
45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul
By TERRY JONES, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted 09/15/2009 07:09 PM ET
Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.
The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby — the powerful American Medical Association — both of which suggest the medical profession is behind the proposed overhaul.
It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the doctors polled disagree with the administration's claim that the government can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost.
The IBD/TIPP Poll was conducted by mail the past two weeks, with 1,376 practicing physicians chosen randomly throughout the country taking part. Responses are still coming in, and doctors' positions on related topics — including the impact of an overhaul on senior care, medical school applications and drug development — will be covered later in this series.
Major findings included:
• Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government expansion plan. This contradicts the administration's claims that doctors are part of an "unprecedented coalition" supporting a medical overhaul.
It also differs with findings of a poll released Monday by National Public Radio that suggests a "majority of physicians want public and private insurance options," and clashes with media reports such as Tuesday's front-page story in the Los Angeles Times with the headline "Doctors Go For Obama's Reform."
Nowhere in the Times story does it say doctors as a whole back the overhaul. It says only that the AMA — the "association representing the nation's physicians" and what "many still regard as the country's premier lobbying force" — is "lobbying and advertising to win public support for President Obama's sweeping plan."
The AMA, in fact, represents approximately 18% of physicians and has been hit with a number of defections by members opposed to the AMA's support of Democrats' proposed health care overhaul.
• Four of nine doctors, or 45%, said they "would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement" if Congress passes the plan the Democratic majority and White House have in mind.
More than 800,000 doctors were practicing in 2006, the government says. Projecting the poll's finding onto that population, 360,000 doctors would consider quitting.
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnal...aspx?id=506199
Yeah, you really nailed it there Think.. My opposition cant possibly have anything to do with a Government run health care system, Shortages of Doctors, Nurses and Hospitals, NO SIR, it's strictly because I don't want others to have it.
If idiots could fly, DNF would be an Airport.
This poll is nothing more than journalistic grandstanding. it leaves way too much unanswered and serves no one but IBD.
Anyone slightly familiar w/ medical practices knows the burden most physicians operate under in the present system. The huge resources (staff, time, procedures and personal involvement on claims) devoted to wrangling with insurance companies to eek out what's due for their work. Incomes suffer dramatically, as does the amount of personal care one can expect from a doctor. There simply aren't enough hours in the day to "out earn" the insurance company restrictions and frequent denial of claims.
Anyone reading this who is not as biased as the prior commenter, would see that 4/9 is a ratio and not a sample size.
I thought readers of this paper were more intelligent than that. Apparently some members of ACORN snuck into this comment section.
I am shocked that you published an article based on data from ONLY nine respondents. Please tell me this is a mistake and you are ashamed of yourselves. As a physician and educator of future physicians, if I tried to present a study like this with so tiny an amount of data to even my first year medical students, I would be laughed out of the lecture hall. I really wander about the ethics at your organization. Keith Allen Burgard, MD
Had you looked at this thread concerning a survey done by the New England Journal of Medicine where they found the majority of doctors wanted a public option:
http://www.dnforum.com/f254/new-engl...ad-386114.html
You would have seen BD77 already brought up your survey of nine doctors:
Investor's Daily is completely unbiased:
You are a little late to the party Raider but I think there is still some beer in the fridge if your thirsty...........How Stephen Hawking Proves That Investor's Business Daily's Editorial Page Tells Lies
Stephen Hawking was born in Oxford. He currently teaches at the University of Cambridge. Oxford and Cambridge have something in common: They're both in England. Which makes this editorial in Investor's Business Daily unfortunate indeed.
People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.
Sigh. You could write some long response to the rest of the lies and distortions in that IBD editorial, but the more appropriate reply is to just warn people against ever reading the editorial page in Investor's Business Daily. It's not just that they didn't know that Stephen Hawking was born in England. It's that the underlying point was wrong, as you'll note from the continued existence of Stephen Hawking. They didn't choose an unfortunate example for an accurate point. They simply lied.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezr...roves_tha.html
How would DNF be a airport? This is a INTERNET forum... A flying person nor a plane can land into a website that is created by pixels and programming... unless Adatise knows something that we don't???
Your comments are ridiculous, but your sense of humor/jokes are just dumbfounded...
...and raider would be the air traffic controller.
Again, I failed to realize that she is the "schooler" and I disagree with some of her points, therefore I am a loser.
Um, since when did I get to be become a nurse?
I am not sure whether I should take that as an insult or a compliment.
I will have to ask me wife of 25 years what a comment like that means...she is a nurse.
... or has to take a dump or pee and every one ignores her calls and she has to lay in her own piss and feces.
And, yes - taking care of a person and their needs and not beneath me, even if it is providing or emptying a bedpan.
Patient care, comfort, and dignity is something I pride myself on.
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"Just a lot of embarrassment, embarrassed to be part of group of domainers who would do this to their fellow man.",
Condemnation of Mobee boys and investors by our precious Mother Theresa of Domaindom
So it's true that Doc is a CNA?... Thank you for confirming.
I have many friends who are CNA's LVN's and RN's and I respect them all, that includes their occupation, I'm even going to medical school next year to become a LVN... Shows how much you know.
The only thing I disrespect are pieces of crap like you and Doc who pretend to know what your talking about and blast others who disagree with you, Doc does it far more than you do and I'm not his only victim. And when someone proves him wrong, he cries like a 10 year old, just like you do.
Yeah, it's hard to respect a-holes like Doc who degrade and flame other members with his vial posts and arrogant behavior, Yeah, he's so much smarter than all the rest of us..... LMAO..
I post something I heard on the AP news and it's met with Elephant Dung?...Yeah, like I'm going to let that one fly.
As for you, Your another clown who does much of the same, Hard to take anything you seriously, since you don't have clue what your talking about, having to run to Wikipedia for a rebuttal.... And what's with the Che Guevara avatar?, heck, why not use Adolf Hitler instead? It's laughable to see idiots like you parade a murdering terrorist and executioner as some sort of hero.... You want to talk about who's pathetic here? your pathetic.
See what I mean?
Oh, so because Doc denounces the poll, that makes it untrue?
This what Doc does on every article he disagrees with, he attacks the author and the validity... If you want ignore the source and believe a guy who changes bed pans, go right ahead Think.
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Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
I figured you would try to defer the topic at hand. Whatever you might be, will be, hope to be, doesn't change the fact that you made the comment above.So it's true that Doc is a CNA?... Thank you for confirming.
I have many friends who are CNA's LVN's and RN's and I respect them all, that includes their occupation, I'm even going to medical school next year to become a LVN... Shows how much you know.
The only thing I disrespect are pieces of crap like you and Doc who pretend to know what your talking about and blast others who disagree with you, Doc does it far more than you do and I'm not his only victim. And when someone proves him wrong, he cries like a 10 year old, just like you do.
Yeah, it's hard to respect a-holes like Doc who degrade and flame other members with his vial posts and arrogant behavior, Yeah, he's so much smarter than all the rest of us..... LMAO..
I post something I heard on the AP news and it's met with Elephant Dung?...Yeah, like I'm going to let that one fly.
As for you, Your another clown who does much of the same, Hard to take anything you seriously, since you don't have clue what your talking about, having to run to Wikipedia for a rebuttal.... And what's with the Che Guevara avatar?, heck, why not use Adolf Hitler instead? It's laughable to see idiots like you parade a murdering terrorist and executioner as some sort of hero.... You want to talk about who's pathetic here? your pathetic.
As for me "bashing" anyone. The only person I have had problems here with is you.. and your pet fab. You post allegations to whom ever you like and then defend your god who has had same or similar... its just ignorant... fab just nods his head to anything you say.
How can Che Guevara be compared to Adolf Hitler? Lol, really? Do you even know who he is?
I post one link to wiki, and all of a sudden thats where I get all my info from? I thought it was msnbc, cnn, etc? Make up your mind.
I am convinced you don't even realize half the comments you post, you just have to post something and hope no one realizes all the stupidity that fills it.
Sorry, but you owned yourself on that one
See what I mean?
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