Bush on Global Warming

[Raider]

Well raider I done a fast search on it, and he did have a paper up for peer review. And it looks like he is for real at that, he ask things and that is a good thing,

I appreciate the effort, You've done more than H2FC has done in a whole year.

[GoPC]

I wonder what carbon offset Al will use for this one? Carbon offsets allow the elite sniveling liberals like Al Gore, to maintain their ridiculously extravagate lifestyles while forcing the little people to cut. And its the little guys like Tas and H2FC that are backing him

I was thinking about this yesterday...

I wonder if one could walk into either of their houses, steal their money, beat their wife and eat their food LEGALLY because you have (or you will give) money to the poor, treat someones wounds and buy food for the hungry (or paid someone that has for THEIR good deeds).

You know," legal and morality offsets"?



GoPC

[Raider]

Such a load of BS H2... you know it too.

More correctly, when you are faced with an undeniable fact, you make up crap like this, simply ignore the evidence provided or resort to stupid attacks and deflections.

You're doing the "Hillary Cackle".

Just keep sticking your fingers in your ears. Keep denying. Keep up the Bull.

We actually appreciate it H2.... you are doing more to label the leftist loons than I could ever do.

I thank you.

GoPC

Ah Yes,

The Hillary Cackle

[H2FC]

We actually appreciate it H2.... you are doing more to label the leftist loons than I could ever do.

I thank you.

GoPC

You're welcome GoP....I'm glad you appreciate me even tho we are on the opposite sides of this issue.

BTW....the offsets you and the other naysayer referred to are being used for the Bali travel. Too bad neither one of you understands the value of using co2 offsets and without that understanding I'm sure it means nothing to you...so just keep on ridiculing them as you do everything else you know so little about.

When you don't understand something you can always just make a joke of it...right?

[GoPC]

You're welcome. Keep bringing this kind attention to your kind and I will continue to hold you in high regard.

Offsets... We understand them... but nobody in their right mind would use the word "value". C'Mon... even YOU can't believe that hogwash.

You're paying for a "conscience cleansing"... nothing more.

LOL!!! I just noticed... "conscience", as applied to your thought process of justifying the continued abuse of one's carbon offsets, is made up of two words...

CON and SCIENCE.

Isn't that ironic. LOL!

GoPC

[Raider]

Too bad neither one of you understands the value of using co2 offsets

Oh we understand it alright, and so does "Money Man" Al Gore


THE HEAT IS ON

Gore's 'carbon offsets' paid to firm he owns

Critics say justification for energy-rich lifestyle serves as way for former VP to profit.

Al Gore defends his extraordinary personal energy usage by telling critics he maintains a "carbon neutral" lifestyle by buying "carbon offsets," but the company that receives his payments turns out to be partly owned and chaired by the former vice president himself.
Gore has built a "green money-making machine capable of eventually generating billions of dollars for investors, including himself, but he set it up so that the average Joe can't afford to play on Gore's terms," writes blogger Dan Riehl.

Gore has described the lifestyle he and his wife Tipper live as "carbon neutral," meaning he tries to offset any energy usage, including plane flights and car trips, by "purchasing verifiable reductions in CO2 elsewhere."

But it turns out he pays for his extra-large carbon footprint through Generation Investment Management, a London-based company with offices in Washington, D.C., for which he serves as chairman. The company was established to take financial advantage of new technologies and solutions related to combating "global warming,"

Generation Investment Management's U.S. branch is headed by a former Gore staffer and fund-raiser, Peter S. Knight, who once was the target of probes by the Federal Election Commission and the Department of Justice.

Hobbs points out Gore stands to make a lot of money from his promotion of the alleged "global warming" threat, which is disputed by many mainstream scientists.

"In other words, he 'buys' his 'carbon offsets' from himself, through a transaction designed to boost his own investments and return a profit to himself," Hobbs writes. "To be blunt, Gore doesn't buy 'carbon offsets' through Generation Investment Management – he buys stocks."

As WND reported, Gore, whose film warning of a coming cataclysm due to man-made "global warming" won two Oscars, has a mansion in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville that consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research, citing data from the Nashville Electric Service.

The think tanks says since the release of Gore's film, the former presidential candidate's energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kilowatt-hours per month in 2005, to 18,400 per month in 2006.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=54528

[GoPC]

Sure sucks to be Algore... fighting the imminent (yet reversible) death of our planet. Oh, how he suffers for this cause.

Tas, Algore could cover all your energy needs in a single month that you do in probably TWO years. And he's not even HOME!!!

I bet that makes you hate Bush even more, doesn't it.

GoPC

[H2FC]

Gee Whiz...raider isn't all that stuff Al Gore is doing illegal? Surely somebody can bring charges against him for such criminal acts. Why don't you and GoP blow the whistle on him? Maybe you will get a reward.

Let me tell you why nobody pays any attention to such garbage as you've posted here....because most of it is just a pack of lies and everybody with an ounce of brains knows Al Gore is doing nothing illegal by his use of co2 offsets to lesson or competely wipe out his carbon footprint.

He doesn't do it because he has to because we don't have laws requiring it...not yet anyway. He buys carbon offsets because he sincerely believes its the right thing to do for the environment, and he encourages others, like himself who can afford it, to do it as well. You would think our multi milllionare goofball President and Vice President would do it too but they don't because they don't give a damn about our enviornmental safety, the planet, or our individual health. These are the same greedy selfish egocentric idiots you support.

Why don't you and GoP grow up and act like the responsible people you could be? Posting worthless garbage you've found by other resentful and bitter skeptical naysayers with an obvious jealous envy of Al Gore's success does nothing at all for your reputation. It just places you in the same camp with them.

If you want to post something worthwhile and useful and something I would be interested in, prove to me in your own words you really do understand how co2 offsets work and the pros and cons of establishing laws requiring the use of them. I'm not talking about copying something from somewhere else and pasting it here. I want your original thoughts on the subject. I invite GoP to do the same thing.

[Raider]

Everything in the article is TRUE and you know it, that's why your NOT disproving any of it.

I don't where it states in the article that what Gore is doing is "illegal"...

Unethical, Deceitful, Immoral, Self Promoting, Crooked, Dishonest, Hypocritical and Greedy?

AH YES!!!

You gotta watch this;

Glenn Beck rips into Al Gore & Gore responds!

[GoPC]

Let me revise your post, so that it it TRUE and HONEST:

Gee Whiz..Raider isn't all that stuff Al Gore is doing MORALLY ABISMAL? Surely somebody can SHUT HIM UP for such IRRESPONSIBLE acts. Why don't you and OTHER LOGICAL HUMAN BEINGS blow the whistle on him? Maybe you will SAVE BILLIONS OF UNJUSTIFIED TAX DOLLARS.

Let me tell you why nobody pays any attention to such garbage as I AND TAS HAVE posted here....because most of it is just a pack of lies and everybody with an ounce of brains knows Al Gore is doing nothing TO CURB GLOBAL WARMING BUT IS USING IT TO LINE HIS POCKETS EVERY DAY.

He doesn't do it because he has to because we don't have laws requiring it...not yet anyway. He buys carbon offsets FROM HIMSELF because he sincerely believes HUMANITY IS TO STUPID TO CATCH HIM and its MAKING HIM A TON OF MONEY, and he encourages others, like himself who can afford it, to do it as well. You would think our multi milllionare goofball EX-President and HIS PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFUL WIFE would do it too but they don't because they don't give a damn about our enviornmental safety, the planet, or our individual health. These are the same greedy selfish egocentric idiots THAT RUN AND MANAGE THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.

Why don't TAS AND MYSELF grow up and act like the responsible people WE could be? Posting worthless garbage WE've found by other resentful and bitter skeptical DOOMSDAYERS with an obvious jealous envy of ANY RICH PERSON'S success does nothing at all for OUR reputation. It just places US in the same LOON camp with them.

If you want to post something worthwhile and useful and something I would be NOT interested in, DON't BOTHER TO prove to me in your own words BECAUSE I THINK you really do understand how co2 offsets work AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT and the pros and cons of establishing laws requiring the use of them. I'm not talking about copying FACTS from somewhere else and pasting it here. I DON'T want ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE on the subject.

Well... it was fun pretending. LOL!

GoPC

[Raider]

Gee Whiz..Raider isn't all that stuff Al Gore is doing MORALLY ABISMAL? Surely somebody can SHUT HIM UP for such IRRESPONSIBLE acts. Why don't you and OTHER LOGICAL HUMAN BEINGS blow the whistle on him? Maybe you will SAVE BILLIONS OF UNJUSTIFIED TAX DOLLARS.

Let me tell you why nobody pays any attention to such garbage as I AND TAS HAVE posted here....because most of it is just a pack of lies and everybody with an ounce of brains knows Al Gore is doing nothing TO CURB GLOBAL WARMING BUT IS USING IT TO LINE HIS POCKETS EVERY DAY.

He doesn't do it because he has to because we don't have laws requiring it...not yet anyway. He buys carbon offsets FROM HIMSELF because he sincerely believes HUMANITY IS TO STUPID TO CATCH HIM and its MAKING HIM A TON OF MONEY, and he encourages others, like himself who can afford it, to do it as well. You would think our multi milllionare goofball EX-President and HIS PRESIDENTIAL HOPEFUL WIFE would do it too but they don't because they don't give a damn about our enviornmental safety, the planet, or our individual health. These are the same greedy selfish egocentric idiots THAT RUN AND MANAGE THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.

Why don't TAS AND MYSELF grow up and act like the responsible people WE could be? Posting worthless garbage WE've found by other resentful and bitter skeptical DOOMSDAYERS with an obvious jealous envy of ANY RICH PERSON'S success does nothing at all for OUR reputation. It just places US in the same LOON camp with them.

If you want to post something worthwhile and useful and something I would be NOT interested in, DON't BOTHER TO prove to me in your own words BECAUSE I THINK you really do understand how co2 offsets work AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT and the pros and cons of establishing laws requiring the use of them. I'm not talking about copying FACTS from somewhere else and pasting it here. I DON'T want ANYTHING OF SUBSTANCE on the subject..

I'm going to have a Cardiac by the time this thread is over.

[ecalc]

Carbon credit thought experiment ...

Al Gore in Tennessee, a hot chick in Vegas and a GW disciple in Florida are the last 3 humans on earth. What happened to everyone else? It doesn't matter, this is hypothetical. Al still has his fleet of limos, jets and dirty fuel coming out the wahzoo. He loves the good life, he earned it, but if he burns one BTU, the climate tips and polar bears are doomed. Does he:

a) Stay put, reduce his carbon footprint and save the world, or
b) Write a carbon credit check to GIM, roll up a big fat one, load up the Bentley, crank the Iron Butterfly, break the land speed record from Chattanooga to Vegas, and email a peer reviewed GW powerpoint to the minion to convince him to turn his lifestyle down a notch.

[tas38]

Well raider I see wind power towers going up all over the place, the money al gore and other are stealing from them selfs. Is going to put them up, and guess what our state says they have to give you green electric if you ask for it. Meaning you can call the power co, and say I want 50% of my power to be green. And they have to sell green power to you, that is where that money goes for this green power.

You act like they pocket all the money it's not true, on the other hand how much tax gifts is bush giving oil. I just got short of 14 gallons of kero, $44 went to store and prices are up on most stuff. Friday I need gas in the car $40, and get more kero $44 plus I spent $132 before. Add the $300 from the fuel help got me 96.8 heating oil, plus $40 in the car before that. I'm not even 1/2 through the month yet, you love the people that are forcing us to pay all this out.

I don't see how anyone can stick with them on this, they tell you to bend over and you bend over. Then get others to bend over as well are you crazy or what, all while they keep killing our planet. May be if big oil give me a few million, I would preach such cra$ as you are. But they don't and guess what I would take their money, and tell everyone how they paid me off to tell lies for them. This is hurting lots of people raider, and wild life and our planet. The suffering keeps getting worst, are you a sadest or some thing that you keep sticking up for them.

Right is right and wrong is wrong, what goes around comes around I believe that 100% true. Well when your comes around, what do you think you got coming then. The housing market held up the other markets, but now that free falling as well higher prices all around. If we the people don't not pressure our gov't, then they will let it go to he$$ that is for sure. Our gov't is being paid from all taxes payers, to look our for what best for all of us as a hole.

But now they are being paid off by big oil and other big biz, plus collecting the taxes payers check as well. All the while taking and helping big biz and shafting the people, and killing wild life and our planet while doing it. Don't you see any problem with that, everyone want to keep the boom going but this is not going to work. It's a give and take markets, not take and take and take till there is no more to take. That dumb and we are all going to pay the price, let make the markets boom giving some back now.

New clean and green autos, TV's, homes will need to replace the old hogs. This means people will save money, and will buy this stuff as it will pay for it's self. It also means they get to get new stuff, as they keep replacing the old hog stuff. Most people will wait to they, would normally replace the stuff away, it will be replacing it with clean green stuff. Things can boom for everyone, as it will make lots of good high tech jobs. And we will stop taking and tking, but instead give instead of just thinking what we can take.

We will help our selfs and our kids, and all them that come after us as well. We can make sure, that things are going in the right direction by the time we are gone. Die knowing we done our part, to insure our kids and their kids will have it better then we did. What person don't want it better, for their kids then they had it and if we don't change this, then it will not be that way. Lets make this world a safer place then when we come, and let make sure the poor have it better, in 3rd world country's.

What you are asking us to do, is foolishly keep taking and taking till there nothing left. That is wrong and you know it, mother earth is crying out for our help. Do we just hide from it, or go give back just a little from all we got from her. We are no good at all, if we can keep going on the path we are. And when ours come around, we will all pay for what we are doing. All we got to do is keep pressure on our gov't, and vote for people that will help fix this stuff.

Didn't you parents teach you better then this, I guess may be some parents did not teach their kids. But this does not mean that you don't know any better, I always thought my gen would do better. Well it's time for us to show we are going to do better, we must stand together to help make sure it gets better. Because if we don't then we are worst, then the ones we claimed we would not be like. The old school got their and then some, it's time for them to let us do it our way. And our way I'm hopeful is better, or are we really worst then they was.

[Raider]

Did my parents teach me better? Where do you get off asking such questions? You obviously know NOTHING about me at all, but yet you feel the need to pass judgment... And WHY? Because I don't agree with this Global Warming CON JOB? or is it because I'm conservative?

I repeatedly said this you, but it goes in one ear and out the other... I'm all for cleaning up the environment, I even commended Gore for bringing awareness to the environment, which is far more than what you or H2FC will ever say for Bush about anything good he's done, Such as NO terrorist attacks against the USA since 911, in sharp contrast to his predecessor "Bill do nothing Clinton".

I'm with you on many environmental positions, Global Warming NOT being one of them. It may surprise you to know that I even donate to AmericanForest.org in the planting of Trees, I get the magazine every month and Yes I do read it... As for 3rd world countries, I sponsor Children in the PI, I ship food, clothing and other items to Children who desperately need it, I even had a home built for them to withstand the Typhoons... You and the Liberals try to portray conservatives as non caring, non giving, You buy into the MYTH that Liberals give more to Charities than Conservatives do, Fact is; its the opposite, Conservatives give 30% more than Liberals do and are more likely to donate blood.

You say you don't like Big Oil?, So does Al Gore;

But yet Al Gore controls between $250,000-$500,000 of Occidental Petroleum stock, Are you OK with that? Are you OK with the hypocrisy?, Are you OK with Al calling for radical changes in the way others live, but refuses to make those changes himself?

It wouldn't surprise me if you are, Al Gore is after all your "Global Warming God"

[tas38]

( Did my parents teach me better? Where do you get off asking such questions? )

The same place you get off saying we are liars, and the same place you get off by telling the same cra$, and the same place you get off calling us Liberals a$$.

You know what liberal is to me, giving big oil and the rich big tax breaks. While you let the poor suffer it out, now that what liberal means to me. Yes take it from the poor and middle class, and give it to big oil and the rich that what it really is.

Liberal to me is letting high numbers of innocent people, get killed in the name of fighting terrorist. Liberal to me is going on a world wide terrorist witch hunt, and to war and not care how much worst it making things.

Yes raider that what liberal is to me, odds are good you are more liberal then I will ever be. I simply want to help protect the earth and wild life for everyone, and help the poor get back on their feet. When will you take a look at what is really going on, instead seeing everything how others, around you want to see it.

And last but not last, liberal to me means taking such risk with so much in the line. For so many people here and to come, with out any real good reason to risk so much. That is about, as liberal as it gets.

Edit In:

I just watched some of the republican debate, all the republican was ask to rise their hand. If they thought global warming was man made, and was a big problem and guess how many hands was rised.

NONE NOTA not even one rised their hands at all, we are toast if a republican gets voted into office. If that happens we can forget fighting global warming, we will be lucky if they don't give big oil even more taxe breaks. :(

[H2FC]

Its obvious now to any who read this thread that Raider and GoPC have resorted to a new low by actually changing the wording of posts they disagree with. This is the first time I've seen this happen in this forum. I suspect it is against dnforum rules and if its not it should be in my opinion. See my previous post and the GoPC and Raider changes following it.

I believe any message a member posts here or anywhere else should be protected from sabotage by the unscrupulous few who would resort to such low tactics. Changing someones' message to reflect your own thoughts and opinions shows a lack of integrity and ethical morals.....it should be frowned upon by all members.

[FuseFX]

Its obvious now to any who read this thread that Raider and GoPC have resorted to a new low by actually changing the wording of posts they disagree with. This is the first time I've seen this happen in this forum. I suspect it is against dnforum rules and if its not it should be in my opinion. See my previous post and the GoPC and Raider changes following it.

I believe any message a member posts here or anywhere else should be protected from sabotage by the unscrupulous few who would resort to such low tactics. Changing someones' message to reflect your own thoughts and opinions shows a lack of integrity and ethical morals.....it should be frowned upon by all members.

I wish I could comment but I haven't read the thread nor I want to -- I'd ask someone else from the mod-team to take a look and take action, if needed.

I know I didn't close this thread because if we close this one, those throwing mud at each other will go to another thread and do the same -- as it has happened in past. So, it is better to keep this thread open and let them do what they do best - turn a random forum topic into pissing match.

I don't know how people have so much time on their hand to discuss such topics at such lengths when they have no power to influence those making the decisions. And even if they talk about creating awareness, this is certainly not the right platform to do so -- it is a domain "business" forum.

I guess some-things should always remain a mystery.

[biggedon]

OK


here's the deal


anyone who posts here does so at his own risk

whatever response you get....take and keep stepping


don't keep reporting each other over and over

if you can't take the heat then get out the kitchen...otherwise we'll close them all!

period.

Thank You

[FuseFX]

OK


here's the deal


anyone who posts here does so at his own risk

whatever response you get....take and keep stepping


don't keep reporting each other over and over

if you can't take the heat then get out the kitchen...otherwise we'll close them all!

period.

Thank You

Word.

[tas38]

Looks like al gore finally took the gloves off, it's about time I would say look out I'm sure the dems, are not going to be far behind on this one.

I sure hope hillary is up to the job at hand, they got her poll numbers down by attacking bill clinton. They still dont get it yet, we are not going to back down anymore. Lets see if it's on the news, or if the news is worried about the far right attacks more or not.

Just a few of the headlines.....

Al Gore urges divided UN climate meet to ignore US

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5...AeqlSJwPAmYhTw

PM's message to US: world wants rich to fight warming

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environme...135558231.html

US told to 'wake up' over climate change

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...d=networkfront

Canada Backs United Nations Treaty to Address Global Warming

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...8&refer=canada

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This is a good read, finally the USA admits man made global warming is real to the world. I like that term, Climate Justice.

Will the negotiations fall apart over the idea of "climate justice"

http://www.slate.com/id/2179824/

And another good read, from a canada site, al gore took the gloves off, and put the blame on the bush admin for what they are doing...

Gore blames U.S. for blocking progress in climate talks

http://www.canada.com/topics/news/wo...9-f0ea653ca747

And yet another good one....

Nobel Prize winner Al Gore's oratory electrifies Bali summit

http://www.khabrein.info/index.php?o...9996&Itemid=88

and I found this one as well, it says the USA is the only industrialised nation, trying to block the treaty.

The Australian decision leaves the US as the only industrialised nation still refusing to endorse Kyoto.

http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English...1.0.1661120538