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Until America becomes a 3rd world country this will keep on going.
Wait until Iran gets the N power and see how they act.
(not far from now)
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Cheney admits to War Crimes and Bush given authority to "massacre" civilians.
It should come as no surprise to most people that Dick Cheney in an interview this past Sunday,
"proclaimed his love of torture, derided the Obama administration for outlawing the practice, and admitted that the Bush White House ordered Justice Department attorneys to fix the law around the administration's policy interests." more
The other news comes as quite a surprise even to me. But, it comes from the number one man who not only advised Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and even Alberto Gonzalez on post 9-11 policy but even Authored most of the memos and legal briefs used by that administration - John Yoo.
If you do not know who John Yoo is, google it. If you have never read any of his books, you should. He is one of the highest authorities on constitutional law.
Report: Bush Lawyer Said President Could Order Civilians to Be 'Massacred'
The chief author of the Bush administration's "torture memo" told Justice Department investigators that the president's war-making authority was so broad that he had the constitutional power to order a village to be "massacred," according to a report by released Friday night by the Office of Professional Responsibility.
The views of former Justice lawyer John Yoo were deemed to be so extreme and out of step with legal precedents that they prompted the Justice Department's internal watchdog office to conclude last year that he committed "intentional professional misconduct" when he advised the CIA it could proceed with waterboarding and other aggressive interrogation techniques against Al Qaeda suspects.
The report by OPR concludes that Yoo, now a Berkeley law professor, and his boss at the time, Jay Bybee, now a federal judge, should be referred to their state bar associations for possible disciplinary proceedings. But, as first reported by NEWSWEEK, another senior department lawyer, David Margolis, reviewed the report and last month overruled its findings on the grounds that there was no clear and "unambiguous" standard by which OPR was judging the lawyers. Instead, Margolis, who was the final decision-maker in the inquiry, found that they were guilty of only "poor judgment."
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Until America becomes a 3rd world country this will keep on going.
Wait until Iran gets the N power and see how they act.
(not far from now)
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other countries are worst! Americans are the only ones that can post it on the forum and talk about it!!!!!!!!!! Enjoy your freedom!
We would have missed Doc, if he was in lot of other countries..Originally Posted by HOPE
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well said
Americans are not the only ones.
And only Americans have freedom? I think the rest of the civilized world would beg to differ with that statement.
If this is your response to a serious discussion of whether torture was advocated by our vice president I am concerned as you are not addressing the issue while belittling Doc Com with a worn out cliche about freedom. Rhetoric does not trump logic, reason, and rule of law........
Doc what wonderful independent source you got this from......Newsweek. Perhaps you should be angry at the source of this info rather than Cheney himself. Cheney didn't admit to any war crimes at all your just assuming that he's committed them. So John Yoo said that Bush Could have massacred a village. They key word there is "could". Neither Bush nor Cheney ordered any massacre of any village that I'm aware of. NO civilians were ever killed intentionally by are military forces.
You sure about that?
If you want a politically correct sentence let's just say that the war was conducted with little consideration for casualties. But when people are dead they are dead. Whether their death was intentional or not is a moot point.
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Bah, I don't feel belittled.
Considering we have put soldiers on trial for Abu Graib, torturing practices, shooting of civilians, and those that gave the orders are on TV talking about it and bragging about it - looks to me that their cases and sentences should be dismissed as Cheney just gave them an out...he gave the orders.
And Americans wonder why other countries don't trust them, hate them, and wants to do us harm?
Hmm...
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Ditto.
This is what you get when someone does not keep up with the news about our soldiers being tried, convicted, and sentenced for killing civilians.
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you're welcome.
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This is of course your opinion. I personally feel that we have gone out of are way to avoid civilian casualties.
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I'm still waiting for a link that shows Dick Cheney admitted to war crimes. Any ****ing day now.
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As you well know it isn't the policy of the United States to intentionally kill civilians. In war there will always be innocent life lost but that can't be help. Smart bombs are only so good you know.
Yeah, using depleated urainum in bombs so the effect lasts the next 25 years with devasting results ensures that they took all precautions.
Agree
Um, the source of the information?
That would be Dick Cheney, in an interview, on tv, no lip syncing.
Hello? Anyone need cliff notes? Did anyone read the articles referenced?
Need to google it or you tube the re-broadcast?
Cheney did admit to war crimes.
And admitted to having altered the US law to fit their motives and practice.
That is not my opinion.
But, what does it matter. In the fall of 2005, knowing full well what they did, Bush granted himself and his administration immunity from prosecution.
In other words, he granted himself and his staff a presidential pardon - in advance.
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The real question, what you Americans are going to do about it.
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Come on Doc. Everyone knows water boarding is enhanced interrogation not torture. Every bodies doing it. Enhanced interrogation is just a little rough foreplay. Naughty but not too kinky. Just remember your safe word: "Yoo"
You are so correct.
I have listened to his interviews, read many of his columns, and he is one guy that perplexes the hell out of me.
I like his intellect. Problem is, he is so smart he was able to bend and twist the law of the land to fit the crimes.
This guy is a real genius. Frightening to think that he was able to concoct the entire post 9-11 rules with complete and total power to influence Bush, Cheney, Gonzalez, Rumsfeld, Ridge, Rice, Powell, and others. Then again, I guess he was telling them what they wanted to hear.
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