Church and State...

[PeterMan]

Saw Religulous on the weekend, I enjoyed it and I feel pretty much the same way Bill Mahar does about the subject of Church and State - so did the Founders of the USA, btw...

I still shake my head when issues like Gay Marriage become such a big deal in an election... The only reason it is a big deal is due to certain religious beliefs... otherwise it is a moot point...

Just because a president goes to church it does not make them a good person, or a good leader...

[randomo]

If you haven't read a book called Founding Faith, I recommend it - a well-researched and apparently balanced treatment of the way our Founding Fathers viewed the place of religion in their own lives and the life of their new nation.

[Tia Wood]

Just because a president goes to church it does not make them a good person, or a good leader...

I'm Christian and I agree with you on this one. I see too many people using religion and/or Christianity as an excuse or a tool to do whatever they want. But this also doesn't make Christianity itself a "bad thing". I just think as the years go on, Christians are becoming more and more out of touch with what the bible really means. I feel this has ruined it for people, like you, who are disgusted with what Christians do in the name of Christianity and write it off their list.

Maybe that will change one day, maybe not. But I understand why you feel that way.

Jesus didn't only hang out with people who wore suits and ties. As a matter of fact, he was considered a criminal because he healed on the Sabbath day which was against the law. There are many, many things Jesus did that wasn't normally accepted. Whether you believe in what he represents or not isn't my point. My point is Christians today are so out of touch with what Jesus really did and who he was and they forget about the simple, core fundamentals of what the bible means.

[tas38]

Here is a email I got just a few mins ago, this is going way to far and not what real Christian think. The far right rev's are getting down right evil, speading this about obama that is a real Christian. This is not anything I ask to get or sign up for, they are just emailing this junk out to people. This is what mccain and palin stand for, real Christian rev's need to speak out that it's not right, and that we will not stand for this kind of stuff.

( "A message for American Christians Only" )

High Priority

I was very dismayed when, recently, a member of my Church said to me with great resignation that she was afraid Obama will take the presidency. These words came from someone that in the past has been a great prayer warrior.

What is happening was my question!! Why are we Christians settling for the loss of our Christian heritage, not issuing a battle cry and falling to our knees and taking our country back?

We allow ourselves to be stripped of the right to pray at school functions and in school, we have the Ten Commandments removed from government places and are told we cannot pray publicly or proclaim Christian principles, all the while providing public prayer places for Muslims. We allow Muslim mosques to operate in America funded by Saudi Arabia , and proclaim anti-American, anti-Christian threats and terrorism.

What in the world is going on and why are we being so apathetic? Why aren't we praying? Our God is an Almighty God who is waiting patiently for us to raise our voices to heaven to stop the tide of the anti-Christian actions in our world today.

Now we have a charismatic, albeit inexperienced, candidate for president that does not respect our flag and refuses to wear one on his lapel except when it becomes politically expedient, and whose own wife and pastor that he loves profess to have strong anti-white feelings, and we sit back and say 'it is a given, we can do nothing' ????

There has never been a time in 2000 years that we can do nothing, never a time that we must sit back and allow the evil in men's and women's hearts to take over our world! We should be afraid, very afraid because our apathy is leading us to perdition. It is time for all Christian Americans to raise the battle cry and take our nation back!

Maybe McCain on his own cannot defeat Obama, but our God can and He will if we take to our knees in prayer and raise a mighty cry to the heavens. We have the power to change the course of this election and to keep a man as suspect as Barak Obama from leading our country to who knows where with his message of 'change'; a change which I fear will be away from our Christian ideals, and away from Christ, and further away from one nation under God to one nation under Allah.

We are great at passing stories and pictures around the internet, but where are our prayers and prayer warriors praying to stop this tide of Barak Obama? We can bring our country back to its Christian roots and stop the undermining of our country by Muslims. We can stop our country from being 'under Allah' but we must begin to pray; to pray as our country and our lives depended on it because they do. We can stop all these atrocities against God's commandments that have taken root in our country through something as simple as sincere prayer, a call to God to deliver us, to protect us from the evil that is upon us.

OK, prayer warriors, here is your challenge... Start those prayer chains. Get the spiritual power working on our behalf and stop Barak Obama the proper way, by calling on our God to save us from the deception that charismatic preaching is using to lead us on the wrong path. Stop those who would take God out of our country and our government. Raise up good men to lead us and protect us. But we should not rest on our laurels and allow ourselves to be taken further off the path of Christianity and to have God removed from our presence in our schools, courts, government and businesses.

Invite God into the fray. Ask that His power rest upon us and give us the victory. Ask him to raise up a mighty army to defend us and to protect our country as he did in days of old. Let us be victorious beginning NOW. The battle is His but we must call on Him without ceasing and unite our voices and hearts in prayer and fasting.

THE TIME FOR THE TRUTH IS RUNNING OUT!!!!

Please pass this around to all people of prayer that you know and maybe, just maybe, we'll bring a victory for us and ultimately for Him. AMEN!

[PeterMan]

I'm Christian and I agree with you on this one. I see too many people using religion and/or Christianity as an excuse or a tool to do whatever they want. But this also doesn't make Christianity itself a "bad thing". I just think as the years go on, Christians are becoming more and more out of touch with what the bible really means. I feel this has ruined it for people, like you, who are disgusted with what Christians do in the name of Christianity and write it off their list.

Maybe that will change one day, maybe not. But I understand why you feel that way.

Jesus didn't only hang out with people who wore suits and ties. As a matter of fact, he was considered a criminal because he healed on the Sabbath day which was against the law. There are many, many things Jesus did that wasn't normally accepted. Whether you believe in what he represents or not isn't my point. My point is Christians today are so out of touch with what Jesus really did and who he was and they forget about the simple, core fundamentals of what the bible means.

My point is that religion should have no bearing whatsoever on an election or anything to do with running a country. Most countries these days are made up of a multitude of races, creeds, religions, etc... so why should the religious belief of a candidate have any relevance at all? Why should issues that are only issues due to religious beliefs have an effect on an election? The same goes for sexuality, it is nobody's business other than the individual and it has no impact on how a particular candidate could run a country...

We are just too close-minded and backward to move forward...