Colin Powell endorses Obama

[princehull]

they will never fight them because Islam as a religion itself is peaceful. They do not want the things that these extremists seek out.

It is much more complicated than that. But the site list attacks claimed by Islamic extremists. That is why.

I could go on in listing the Red Brigade, Black September Group, and Bader Meinhof group that primarily operated in Europe against American interests.

But the site's point is stated. Not all muslims are extremists.

Besides, the KKK is anti-black, anti-jewish, anti-catholic, and anti-immigrant.

And the islamic extermeist are anti-anything that isn't Muslim and anti-west. It is the same thing.....a smaller group of one community helping to label the whole community

[Gerry]

And the islamic extermeist are anti-anything that isn't Muslim and anti-west. It is the same thing.....a smaller group of one community helping to label the whole community

That is the very definition of the extremists. Honor Islam and the Quran or die by the sword. You are taking this a little too far without knowing the definitions and what defines one as an extremist.

[princehull]

That is the very definition of the extremists. Honor Islam and the Quran or die by the sword. You are taking this a little too far without knowing the definitions and what defines one as an extremist.

I am taking it too far without knowing??!! I happend to be a Middle Eastern and Islamic specialist and Persian-Farsi linguist in the military and now am a Middle Eastern Studies major at Baylor Univeristy so I do believe I know EXACTLY what I am talking about, not only that, but my wife was born in Iran and is Muslim.
And are you saying that the kkk weren't extremists???
I am sorry but this is a very sensitive subject with me.

[Gerry]

I am taking it too far without knowing??!! I happend to be a Middle Eastern and Islamic specialist and Persian-Farsi linguist in the military and now am a Middle Eastern Studies major at Baylor Univeristy so I do believe I know EXACTLY what I am talking about, not only that, but my wife was born in Iran and is Muslim

Then why are you debating the difference between Islamic and Islamic Extremist?

Do you think all catholics are extremists?

Of course not.

But in Northern Ireland that would be a proper term for the ones that commit acts of terrorism and slaughter.

You went as far to ask why do we catagorize all Muslims as Islamic extremists and that was not the point, never was the point, and is not the point but now you insisted in a previous post of making it the point.

[princehull]

i am sorry if you took it that way. the point i was trying to make was when one talks about Islam they only mention the bad and tend to make it seem as if it is Islam as a whole and not just a small group who label themselves as Muslims. If they were true to he religion they claim they would not be involved in the acts in which they are commiting. I didn't mean to offend you, I guess I just was not clear enough.

[tas38]

We need to ask rush and them that believe, powell supporting obama is all about race. If rush and all other whites supporting mccain, is all about race as well ???

[princehull]

great idea! ask Rush.....that would be more entertaining than the monday night football game was tonite! lol

[Gerry]

i am sorry if you took it that way. the point i was trying to make was when one talks about Islam they only mention the bad and tend to make it seem as if it is Islam as a whole and not just a small group who label themselves as Muslims. If they were true to he religion they claim they would not be involved in the acts in which they are commiting. I didn't mean to offend you, I guess I just was not clear enough.

No problem. I would hope that when one hears or reads Islamic extremist that they would be able to make a distinction.

I try very carefully to choose my words not to offend. That is what really caught me off guard in the first place.

I truly do understand the sensitivity of such implications.

Just as some have implied or outright stated that Powell endorsing Obama was purely racial. I would never buy into that BS.

Again, if people would have listened to the link from the very beginning it should have been clear.

One of the primary reasons is he feels the GOP has lost it's direction and does not believe that McCain can get it back on course.

And he is not alone as more and more steadfast rank and file GOP members and supporter express their feelings.

Op-Ed: Powell Endorsement 'Devastating' For GOP

Talk of the Nation, October 20, 2008 · Former Republican Congressman Mickey Edwards says Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama is just the latest in a long series of repudiations of the GOP. In a post on Politico.com, Edwards says he's "shocked by the disgust" prominent Republicans are showing for their own party.

Audio Link

[princehull]

thanks for understanding. I just got done writing a 15 page paper tonite on Islamophobia so I think it may have carried over! lol
when I first joined the military I saw a lot of the hatred toward Islam and it only made me more sensitive to it and made me want to look into it more. Now that I have more of an understanding of the culture behind it it irritates me when I feel that someone is putting all Muslims into one category. There have been quite a few incidents, as I am sure you know, by a select few that have made people look down on Islam and the Western media has not helped the situation as well.
As far as Powell, I feel that he is very intelligent and if he ever decided to run for office, he would make a spectacular president. I don't think him supporting Obama is racist at all. everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and he, of course, has his.

[tas38]

While we fight over none sense, here is a video that reminds us about what warring is really about......... Watch it all and then come back here, and tell me if this is not worst then 9/11. But both 9/11 and Iraq is really over oil, the very same oil that cost us so much already, the same oil republicans loves to protect so much......... Tell me what you think, after seeing it all the way though please........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx3qv6KecQ0

[princehull]

While we fight over none sense, here is a video that reminds us about what warring is really about......... Watch it all and then come back here, and tell me if this is not worst then 9/11. But both 9/11 and Iraq is really over oil, the very same oil that cost us so much already, the same oil republicans loves to protect so much......... Tell me what you think, after seeing it all the way though please........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx3qv6KecQ0

if it is all about oil then why haven't we invaded Canada. They are our #1 importer of oil and with no army they should be an easy target. don't ya think?

[tas38]

Well I'm pretty sure had bush attacked Canada, he knew he would be held for crimes and no one else would go along with it, no matter how many nukes they claimed canada has.

[princehull]

Well I'm pretty sure had bush attacked Canada, he knew he would be held for crimes and no one else would go along with it, no matter how many nukes they claimed canada has.

it's more about the oil than the nukes....and there were plenty that did not go along with the invasion on Iraq. don't look at the president....look at the CIA and the false reports they have given the president.

[tas38]

Well they can see what some one is holding, with shots from sats but they did not know Iraq had no nukes. Bush and dick knew the truth, the CIA always give the worst case to the priz. But the priz has all the info at his hands, and the best guys to put it all together for him. So I'm not buying it at all that bush was told bad info, in fact bush used that bad info to push for war.

[princehull]

Bush only knew what was told to him by the CIA. How else were they to know. The Central Intelligence Agency supposedly collects the info and reports back to the highest officials. In this case they obviously reported the wrong info. Weather or not the Bush administration was aware of the truth a decision was made that has effected the world, not just the Muslim community or America. But who is really paying the price for these mistakes?

[tas38]

We are all paying the price, our markets are in such bad shape because of sky rocketing oil prices. MMGWing is another matter that the USA will be hit the hardest, meaning more damages and suffering. The fact that everything the bush admin done, help rise the price of oil.

And stop and stalled any real fighting global warming, and/or getting off export oil that support and fund terrorist. They lied and made many warring speeches, and never once really tried to drive the price back down. In fact many times the offices under the bush admins control, put out bad news of shortages shortly after news, there may be more oil then thought.

They stop many gov't experts from telling the truth, and even now that the markets are in free fall. What does OPEC say oil prices are dropping to much, we need to cut oil out put. And bush had his war speeches help push oil prices higher, big oil was making record profits, and the republicans still want to keep giving them 4 billion in tax breaks.

All of bushes and dicks oil friends, made a mint off the Iraq war and even left them take over their oil fields. That why Iraqi's fight us so hard, they wanted control over their own oil fields. What would we do if it was us, we would fight and try to do everything we could to stop them.

[Gerry]

Really need to get this thread back on track rather than become a perpetual Iraq and global warming thread and so on.

At issue is respected (by many but not all) General Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama in the upcoming November 4 election.

The concensus among many analysts and GOP members is this is not only an endorsement for Obama but a stinging endorsement against the GOP.

Many, including myself - a registered Republican - feel the GOP has lost its direction and values and do not feel that McCain is the person to get things back on track.

In addition, the selection of Sarah Palin, clearly the most un-qualified person ever to assume the task of President in a moment's notice, turned this party into a no-win for all and close to the laughing stock of this nation.

Scores of GOP members have stated publicly what a sham this has become. Undoubtedly many more say it in private:

Op-Ed: Powell Endorsement 'Devastating' For GOP

Talk of the Nation, October 20, 2008 · Former Republican Congressman Mickey Edwards says Colin Powell's endorsement of Barack Obama is just the latest in a long series of repudiations of the GOP. In a post on Politico.com, Edwards says he's "shocked by the disgust" prominent Republicans are showing for their own party.

Audio Link

[Gee]

thanks for understanding. I just got done writing a 15 page paper tonite on Islamophobia so I think it may have carried over! lol
when I first joined the military I saw a lot of the hatred toward Islam and it only made me more sensitive to it and made me want to look into it more. Now that I have more of an understanding of the culture behind it it irritates me when I feel that someone is putting all Muslims into one category. There have been quite a few incidents, as I am sure you know, by a select few that have made people look down on Islam and the Western media has not helped the situation as well.
As far as Powell, I feel that he is very intelligent and if he ever decided to run for office, he would make a spectacular president. I don't think him supporting Obama is racist at all. everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and he, of course, has his.

Obama is not a muslim and people who are anti-obama are not anti-islam

Powell endorsement came in the wrong time to the wrong person
he was working with Bush and he is now suddenly attacking his pollicies and he couldn't give enough justifications for his endorsement of obama
nevertheless I don't mean he is racist but I cann't exclude this reason as a hidden motive

[Gerry]

Obama is not a muslim and people who are anti-obama are not anti-islam

Thank you, Gee, for your input.

It has become very obvious on this forum alone that other nations are heavily watching the upcoming election.

[Raider]

Also what exactly is 8 years of terrorist attacks?

Actually, I don't think you learned anything from 9/11

It appears I learned more than you did BEFORE and AFTER 911, I learned how important national and homeland security is to this nation... I also learned how incompetant Bill Clinton was during his entire term.

should I trust the endorsement of Obama by Colin Powell

If anyone knows anything about endorsements, which you obviously DON'T, You would know that endorsements have very little influence on elections..

Why should we put any trust in Powell's interest in and ability to protect our Country, after all he's only been doing it for 50 years.

I would trust Powell more than I would Obama in the White House, Would you? Of course not, You would rather trust a Liberal community organizer with NO foreign policy experience than you would a Republican "Powell" of 50 years of service

So lemme see, a retired US Army General, former Secretary of State, National Security Advisor and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff during an actual War in the Gulf or some girl prone to parroting the pure garbage right wing nut jobs shove into her head every day on radio and tv...gosh darn it, you really have put us in a pickle don't you know...did i mention i come from alaska? (wink)...

You Liberals were trashing Powell for his testimony that resulted in going to War, and now your pumping him up as this great Army General who we should all be listening to ... People like you are such a Joke!.

I dont listen to talk radio, I actually listen to more of the Liberal media than you think..... For example; I listen to the belligerently uniformed people like Keith OlberMoron, (the guy you get all your news from) the sports caster turned news journalist overnight ... I also like to log-on to DNF to read idiotic posts from Liberal dumb sh*ts like you who have no clue what the real issues are......

If it weren't for people like you showing the idiocy from the left side of politics, I doubt I would be as conservative as I am today.

So how much money and how many years do you suggest that we continue to waste on a war that can not be won let alone fought on foreign soil while this nation is just as vulnerable to a terrorist attack as we saw on 9-11?

Fact is we are winning in Iraq, not fighting a lost cause as you suggest... If Iraq is ready to handle their own security, we should turn it over to them and begin pulling our troops out.... This is going to happen anyway next year regardless of who's elected.