F'd by Dell - Part Tres...BusinessWeek.com feature

[Doc Com]

It was just one week ago I created a thread regarding the outraged of Dell closing a new facility here in Winston Salem, taking incentive money, and bolting to their "partners" in Mexico and Indonesia.

Today it was one of the featured pieces on BusinessWeek.com's Technology news.

Dell's Plant Closure Raises Anger Over Incentives

Do government incentives aimed at luring businesses to a state or city work?

There’s already a body of evidence that they often do not. And news out of North Carolina this week shows just how quickly these headline-grabbing deals can go awry. While the business press on Dell Computers this week focused on its new smart phones and $3.9 billion bid for tech services provider Perot Systems, in North Carolina the news on Dell was all about the closure this coming January of its plant in Forsyth county. The move will put 900 people out of work. And it’s doing collateral damage to the local incentives system that offered the Texas-based computer maker $280 million in potential tax breaks and grants to locate the plant in the state four years ago.


One week ago when I posted this story on DNF, I had to put up with non-sense and other members calling me a liar, making shit up, and saying it was not true and went as far as to threaten me by saying I was going to be sued and allegedly forwarded the thread to Dell's Legal department.

Even when these news features, interviews, and television clips were posted, the disparaging remarks continued to come. They continued to attempt to discredit me.

Anyone who thinks that I am stupid enough to make up a story like this and fabricate what the Dell spokesperson is saying (on camera) - then you are a few lightbulbs shy of being called bright.

To them, I say the sound of munch, munch, munch (as they eat their own words) is a sweet sound.

[Gregcyber]

Our Democratic Governor Jennifer Granholm in Michigan has been raising taxes on all business. If a business can not meet the new tax burden they close or move.
Remember GM and all the 1st and 2nd tier shops/factories? A lot of these businesses are gone or running on life support.
You now see the problem in you sate / city. Michigan residents have been crying for years, were was your support?

You support our new president and hes intrested in putting more businesses out of business by new higher taxes. Go Obama !

[Doc Com]

Yup, Democrats and Dell

Both start with D and one rthymes with Hell.

Gee, who would have though that there was such strong connection in this thread.

Dunce starts with D as well. And I'll be damned if you don't fit in.

[Gregcyber]

Iam what Iam and then I die. Before for you call some one a dunce you need to under stand that Iam not you.

Doc you seem to be a intelectual raciest.
March on comrade Commie (oink)

[think]

Originally Posted by Gregcyber

Iam what Iam and then I die. Before for you call some one a dunce you need to under stand that Iam not you.

Doc you seem to be a intelectual raciest.
March on comrade Commie (oink)

You might want to use Google for spell checking and perhaps find a grammar usage program as well. For spelling I just type the word as best I can into Google and it usually brings up the correct spelling if I made a mistake. I'd start with words like intellectual and racist as these are words I'd really want to get correct when debating with a colleague. Just a thought.

If you trying to be funny and spell them wrong purposely to prove you are not an intellectual I apologize for not catching your sarcasm.

[Doc Com]

Anyoways...

Yup, Dell is getting into the smartphone business. And, they just bought Perot Systems for $3.9 billion. And Texas based Perot Systems also had a recent round of layoff.

Originally Posted by think

You might want to use Google for spell checking and perhaps find a grammar usage program as well.

Reading is Fun, dah, mental?

Intellectual Racist - hmm...that may be worthy of TM.

[Doc Com]

Dell Petition Acknowledges Shift To Mexico

Just saw this on our local news site:

The petition states: “Our (Dell’s) work volume is being transferred to a global manufacturing network.

The work will be given to third-party providers who operate in Mexico and other countries around the globe.”

[Area52]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Dell Petition Acknowledges Shift To Mexico

Just saw this on our local news site:

The petition states: “Our (Dell’s) work volume is being transferred to a global manufacturing network.

The work will be given to third-party providers who operate in Mexico and other countries around the globe.”

You're thirty years to f*cking late. Congressmen have their money for making Asia top dog and they're flippin the bird at us (Rangel,etc.).
You can always petition El Presidente to bring dem jobs back. You could be waiting a spell though.
Might be out of town visiting Chavez or one of the other buds.

[Doc Com]

Mexican labor costs basically are 10 percent of U.S. costs, according to information through the American Manufacturing Trade Action Coalition (AMTAC) in Washington.

Labor costs in China, where most major furniture manufacturers have relocated from the Triad this decade, can be 5 percent to 8 percent of American labor costs, AMTAC reports

[Doc Com]

Seems BusinessWeek has been following Dell as well.

There is a piece today that denotes that perhaps Dell is offering too little, too late.

Dell's Extreme Makeover
How Michael Dell is trying to change almost everything about the computer company he founded

[tas38]

Well we will be part of Mexico by 2050, so may be some of the ones here illegal, will not find work and go back to Mexico where the real jobs will be.

[Doc Com]

A Victory (of sorts):

Dell Agrees To Repay $26M In Local Incentives
Dell Acknowledges Local Incentive Figures Are Correct

WINSTON-SALEM -- Dell has agreed to repay $26.4 million in incentives to the local community, representing every cent paid locally to lure the company to Forsyth County, Winston-Salem Mayor Allen Joines said Thursday.

According to a letter sent by Joines to Dell representatives on Monday, Dell must repay the money within 30 days.

Joines said he received a letter from Dell Thursday acknowledging that the figures presented by the city and county were, in fact, correct.

[Doc Com]

Another bit of good news...

Dell Returns $1.5 Million In Incentives To State
$1.5M Returned To State Coffers

Plus, Dell is in the process of repaying $26 Million in local incentives.

[Warrior]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

Yup, Democrats and Dell

Both start with D and one rthymes with Hell.

Gee, who would have though that there was such strong connection in this thread.

Dunce starts with D as well. And I'll be damned if you don't fit in.

Dude, why do you insult people so much on this forum? I saw nothing in Gregs post to warrant this reaponse.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by Warrior

Dude, why do you insult people so much on this forum? I saw nothing in Gregs post to warrant this reaponse.

History.

History.

This is the third thread started on the same subject.

Dude, hey! That also starts with D.

[Warrior]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

History.

History.

This is the third thread started on the same subject.

Dude, hey! That also starts with D.

So you insult members in new threads for what they wrote in old threads? Sounds like a personal problem to me.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by Warrior

So you insult members in new threads for what they wrote in old threads? Sounds like a personal problem to me.

Gee, you cleared that up so well. Do you feel better for it? I think we made a connection here. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Warrior

So you insult members in new threads for what they wrote in old threads?

No, dear. This is the third time he has tried to associate the Dell plant closing as being related to Obama and anything with Dem in it.

[Warrior]

Originally Posted by Doc Com

No, dear. This is the third time he has tried to associate the Dell plant closing as being related to Obama and anything with Dem in it.

Mr. Gregcyber can associate the plant closing to anyone OR anything he wants, an opinion does not, i repeat not warrant personal attacks, By attacking others your inviting them to do the same to you, You should be respectful of other members opinions no matter how much you disagree with them.

[Doc Com]

Originally Posted by Warrior

Mr. Gregcyber can associate the plant closing to anyone OR anything he wants, an opinion does not, i repeat not warrant personal attacks, By attacking others your inviting them to do the same to you, You should be respectful of other members opinions no matter how much you disagree with them.

Is this the part of the thread where we have an intervention?

Wake me up for it, okay?

[Raider]

Originally Posted by Warrior

Mr. Gregcyber can associate the plant closing to anyone OR anything he wants, an opinion does not, i repeat not warrant personal attacks, By attacking others your inviting them to do the same to you, You should be respectful of other members opinions no matter how much you disagree with them.

That's like asking a rodent not to eat.