The Federal Reserve is not part of the US Government

[Gerry]

More news for you: This was all set up before Obama arrived, so blaming him for it is a little whacko.

he, he, he

It's a requirement that every president be accused of being the antichrist.

My favorite was "Ronald Wilson Reagan - count the letters in each name! OMG!"

he, he, he

It's a requirement that every president be accused of being the antichrist.

My favorite was "Ronald Wilson Reagan - count the letters in each name! OMG!"

ho, ho, ho

But, no, I decline the invitation to watch 2 hours of "The Great You-Tube Video Of Trooth".

ha, ha, ha

A virtual Wal-Mart of dumbth, whose pharmacy has run clean out of Haldol.

Now I'm pissing myself!!!!!!!!!

[JMJ]

Who is interfering in your life, and what are they doing to you?

It would be much easier list where there isn't interference. But I'll try and give you just a few from current events.

My son and I spent the better part of the last week at our cabin on the river. We're doing all of the things a 13 year old would like to do IE four wheeling, boating, fishing, etc, etc. Well were four wheeling through some trails and my son has his pellet gun with him to pick off a rabbit, squirrel or whatever if he happens to run across one. We'll we're a few miles into our ride along the river when we more or less get swat teamed by a handful of wannabe bad ass control freaks on power trips with guns and badges (a mixture of forestry and local police, I assume trying to catch pot growers or something along those lines) questioning us about what we are doing back on this well beaten four wheeling path on four wheelers and if my son has had proper training to shoot his pellet gun. They didn't like it too much when I told them he probably had more training at shooting a weapon than they ever had. Wanting to see some ID from me which I obviously didn't have on me considering my intentions were to be covered in mud and soaked with water..

We have law makers in Washington right now deciding how they want to control my healthcare and they can't even control what they already supposedly have the control over, the monetary system. Which BTW my earnings have dropped by at least 50% since the financial gangsters dropped the financial nuke. And no it's not just me, it's not just here in the US and it' not just the internet. I personally have other ways to make money all of which are being affected by the financial terrorism. I've also talked to people from around the world who have seen similar drops in income if not more. And despite what Obama and the rest of these financial "experts" say it's getting worse and not better. You know those same guys who said there wasn't a problem all along. The same ones you mentioned that had these fine degree's from those superb institutions. Those geniuses.

On that same note we have neurotic hypercondriacs running the W.H.O. and other similar organizations trying to scare the entire population of the World into taking their (now becoming mandatory) vaccine for a bio-engineered novel flu virus which at this point is less deadly than typical flu viruses. And then you have to consider the last time they served up their vaccines for the swine flu the vaccines themselves killed or maimed more people than the flu itself did. But considering they have quit testing for it and assuming all new cases of flu and deaths are swine flu I guess we'll live in a constant state of fear there for as long as they want to keep it going.

CDC stops swine flu death count at 300
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldN...41299120090724


Now let's put the two of those together. A group of neurotic hypercondriac medical professionals and a group of paranoid schizophrenic law makers who have pretty much labeled every living being that doesn't agree with everything they do a terrorist and/or enemy of the STATE making laws to mandate the health of those people. Hmm wonder what could happen there?

Let's use an example of a conversation we've had before where you tossed out the "tinfoil hat kook" BS. About 6 months or so ago you tossed chemtrails out there as conspiracy theory and I posted an article from the discovery channel where some scientist or whatever said it would be a great idea in controlling the climate crisis. I said at that time that that was the beginning of them admitting chemtrails and the excuse would be "global warming".. As usual you passed it off as "conspiracy theory" well low and behold what has happened in those short 6 months or so? Obama himself has even come out and said they wanted to Terraform the atmosphere to fight global warming.

http://www.usatoday.com/weather/clim...ineering_N.htm

This coming from his "Science Czar" who was a co-author in a book suggesting these great things

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-50783612.html

Wow, that nightmare sounds like where we already are or heading..

Do you think us "tinfoil hat wearers" can foresee the future or that they have already been doing this stuff for years and we are only reading their published materials? What do you think about them spraying chemicals in the air to combat a mythological problem? Doesn't it make you want to go out for a run?

You mentioned I believe in the same thread how much you love your doritos. What do you think about the government mandating what you eat and drink since they will after all be in control of your health care. It's naturally the next step to start telling you what you can and cannot eat. But wait they are already doing that. I read an article the other day about a guy going to his favorite restaurant for years and having their signature banana pie. Well too bad for him he went in last week to have his pie and his state government turned that pie into contraband.

All of this just in time for Codex Alimentarius which goes into effect World wide 12/09. Simply put, food standards (controls) set by the U.N., W.H.O. etc

http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/index_en.jsp

All of this is either magically falling right into place or it's a plan (conspiracy) which has been set into motion and played out for quite a long time.


I could go on and on.. But you should see where I'm going with this by now.

[jberryhill]

But you should see where I'm going with this by now.

Yes, you are pretty much going full speed on the crazy train to Nutsville.

I asked you who was interfering in your life, and the only thing you seem to have come up with is that you managed to come up with some snarky insult to officers on public land whom you encountered while on it.

Other than that, the remainder of your rant is standard fare paranoid hyperventilation.

No, just because someone made a speculative comment about climate engineering does not mean the government has been spraying tons and tons of chemicals over your head in some secret project for the last 20 years. A set of recommended standards for food handling is not an international plot to tell you what to eat. My health care is currently "controlled" by a group of people I did not elect, I don't know, and whose primary aim is to make money by not providing health care while billing me out the wazoo every month.

Now, the Montgomery County Council is made up of a group of people that are elected by the citizens of Montgomery County. If the people there wanted to have restaurants using trans-fats in their food, that's up to the people of Montgomery County to decide.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...051501387.html

But I'm not really asking about a distorted blog story about a restaurant that decided not to seek a waiver or use non trans-fat oils in its pie crust, I'm trying to understand what it is, specifically, that "they" are doing to interfere in your life.

What do you think about them spraying chemicals in the air to combat a mythological problem?

That's a very ironic question. "They", "Them", the secret cabal that is out to get you, is not running a "chemtrail" program. The mythology is that "they" are.

It's not easy deciphering all of this stuff especially when most of it is buried in mountains of legalese.

And even more so when your interpretive guide to it consists of CRAZY PEOPLE.

[JMJ]

Who is interfering in your life, and what are they doing to you?

No, just because someone made a speculative comment about climate engineering does not mean the government has been spraying tons and tons of chemicals over your head in some secret project for the last 20 years.

It does mean it when "THEY" have admitted to it. But I understand you don't want to admit to being wrong.

"They", "Them", are quite obviously elements in the government. Nobody is out to "get me" but "they" are a collective bunch of idiots who don't know what the hell they are doing.

20 years?

Governments have been caught spraying their citizens for over 60 years


Millions were in germ war tests

Much of Britain was exposed to bacteria sprayed in secret trials

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...medicalscience

US Meteorologist admits government sprays chemtrails in the air! It blocked up his radar!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYG_hdZmTic

Chemtrails admitted in German Newscast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXqunUH9sqc

Another newscast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFpF-c8Jgx0

Another newscast with mysterious illnesses
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoz_oNMJXBc

A set of recommended standards for food handling is not an international plot to tell you what to eat.

"The controversy over the Codex Alimentarius relates to a perception that it is a mandatory standard for food - including vitamin and mineral supplement - safety. Supporters of the Codex Alimentarius say that it is a voluntary reference standard for food and that there is no obligation on countries to adopt Codex standards as a member of either Codex or any other international trade organization. From the point of view of its opponents, however, one of the main causes of concern is that the Codex Alimentarius is recognized by the World Trade Organization as an international reference standard for the resolution of disputes concerning food safety and consumer protection.[2][4]. Proponents argue that the use of Codex Alimentarius during international disputes does not exclude the use of other references or scientific studies as evidence of food safety and consumer protection. Nevertheless, although countries are not excluded from using other references or scientific studies as evidence of food safety and consumer protection, opponents claim that developing countries in particular are unlikely to have alternative references.[citation needed]

Much of the controversy relates to the way in which the Codex Alimentarius treats vitamin and mineral food supplements. Some countries categorize vitamin and mineral supplements as a food. Others, however, categorize them as drugs. Meanwhile, some countries, such as Canada, have created separate non-drug categories for these products. Opponents of the Codex Alimentarius Commission claim that it is unduly influenced by pharmaceutical companies, and that its guidelines for vitamin and mineral food supplements are unnecessarily restrictive.

It is reported that in 1996 the German delegation put forward a proposal that no herb, vitamin or mineral should be sold for preventive or therapeutic reasons, and that supplements should be reclassified as drugs.[5] The proposal was agreed, but protests halted its implementation.[5] The 28th Session of the Codex Alimentarius Commission was subsequently held July 4 - July 9, 2005.[6] Among the many issues discussed were the "Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Supplements"[7], which were adopted during the meeting as new global safety guidelines.[8] This text has been the subject of considerable controversy, in part because many member countries may choose to regulate dietary supplements as therapeutic goods or pharmaceuticals or by some other category. The text does not seek to ban supplements, but subjects them to labeling and packaging requirements, sets criteria for the setting of maximum and minimum dosage levels, and requires that safety and efficacy are considered when determining ingredient sources. The United Nations' Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) and World Health Organization (WHO) have stated that the guidelines are "to stop consumers overdosing on vitamin and mineral food supplements." The Codex Alimentarius Commission (CAC) has said that the guidelines call "for labelling that contains information on maximum consumption levels of vitamin and mineral food supplements." The WHO has also said that the Guidelines "ensure that consumers receive beneficial health effects from vitamins and minerals." [9]

Similarities have been noted between the EU's Food Supplements Directive and the Codex Alimentarius Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Supplements.[10]

Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul has said that the Central American Free Trade Agreement "increases the possibility that Codex regulations will be imposed on the American public." [11]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Alimentarius


Having spent the past twelve months investigating Codex Alimentarius, I am deeply disturbed by the almost total lack of awareness (or even interest) with regard to the implications of this pernicious global Commission, particularly amongst those most affected by the excesses of this restrictive legislation. In the words of the National Health Federation[i], the aims and objectives of Codex Alimentarius are as follows: * Only low-potency, “me too” supplements available that will do nothing for your health. * All or most foods genetically-modified. * Beneficial supplements unavailable or sold by prescription only. For many people, this agenda is so outrageous, they cannot believe such goals are achievable; yet this may well be the reality as soon as 31st December 2009, if the Codex Alimentarius Commission continues to disregard input from those who offer a counter perspective to the combined forces of Big Farmer & Big Pharma

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...06429960925518

My health care is currently "controlled" by a group of people I did not elect, I don't know, and whose primary aim is to make money by not providing health care while billing me out the wazoo every month.

If I don't vote for your candidates or representatives then doesn't that mean my health care is controlled by a group of people that I didn't elect? Am I not going to receive a bill from the government when I choose not to participate in it? Primarily because I don't want to be a part of the other hidden elements such as mandatory vaccinations?

[fab]

• Women could be forced to abort their pregnancies, whether they wanted to or not;
• The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food;
• Single mothers and teen mothers should have their babies seized from them against their will and given away to other couples to raise;
• People who "contribute to social deterioration" (i.e. undesirables) "can be required by law to exercise reproductive responsibility" -- in other words, be compelled to have abortions or be sterilized.
• A transnational "Planetary Regime" should assume control of the global economy and also dictate the most intimate details of Americans' lives -- using an armed international police force.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-50783612.html

Oh boy!

[Creature]

Having spent the past twelve months investigating Codex Alimentarius, I am deeply disturbed by the almost total lack of awareness.

It looks a bit crap, I don't like it either. Napoleonic list of supplements, I think only 18 of them from memory.

[JMJ]

Nevermind it's still there I clicked fab's copied link.

I said I would give my beliefs as to what happened so here we go.

In the early 1900's the general public demanded our monetary system be taken away from the Banksters on Wall St. It is documented in their own writings that the banksters met and traveled to Jekyll Island to have a "meeting of the minds." Out of this meeting it was decided to make it appear as though they were giving up control but in reality they weren't. They came up with a plan which eventually became what is now known as the Federal Reserve Act. The name itself was to make it appear as though it was really a Federal Institution. It was originally submitted as something else and shot down because the people introducing it were known to be in bed with the banksters. They changed the name and introduced the bill via another while Congress was on recess but due to an "error" the session was never closed so it became law by vote of the majority which was a total of 3 I believe. While they were introducing the bill itself the banksters made it appear as if they didn't want it to pass. Making the people think it was the right thing to do. During this same year they started the income tax which was originally only on businesses.

Up until World War I we only had around 1 billion in national debt. Within those few short years that debt exploded to 25+ billion. In 1919 we had a stock market crash. The banksters pulled the plug. The country was broke and in debt. They needed a new plan. In 1920 the Independent Treasury Act suspended the Treasury Department of the United States government. Our Congress turned the treasury department over to a private corporation. In 1921 the Sheppard-Towner Act was enacted. This gave the US government a security instrument to borrow against. Yes, they use the birth certificates as a securitized instrument to borrow money. It was sold as a way to give states aid but in reality it is securitizing the US governments debt.

In 1929 the Sheppard-Towner Act was allowed to expire as it was too controversial. Stock market crash of 1929. The banksters pulled the plug. They over-inflated the economy pretty much based on the "value of people" and blew it up. Even though the Act had been allowed to expire American people unknowingly continued to offer their children up as collateral to the debt because they assumed it was what they had to do.

In 1931 they began the largest most detail census in history to that date. Even asking questions such as do you own a radio? More or less a complete inventory of the US.

By 1933 the United States of America was officially declared bankrupt owing in excess of 100 billion in gold. Roosevelt declares the New Deal. He puts the country under the War Powers Act of 1933 (which we are still under to this day) and makes everyone turn in their gold (intrinsic value) and sold it to the bankers for their pieces of paper (no intrinsic value). Not only that this piece of paper is a "debt" note. Knowing that if the public ever found out about what he has done within the War Powers Act even the citizens of the United States were declared enemies. Washington D.C. became a foreign territory to the United States in order to do so. The country is now ruled under Admiralty/Maritime law.

In 1935 the Social Security Act was passed which gave all of the slaves their number and collected funds from said slaves for the banksters. That wasn't enough also in 1935 Roosevelt passed the Federal Register Act which gave way for government agencies to collect taxes for a foreign entity (now D.C.) and make law (statutes to be precise).

In 1938 came Erie Railroad Co V. Tompkins. Now this is where you have changed my thinking. At first I thought that maybe they used it to overturn common law. But as you explained it they couldn't use Federal Common law in the case. So what did they do? They set out to create laws they could use in such cases U.C.C. (based on Maritime/Admiralty law) which began to be drafted a few years later in the early 40's.

Now comes WWII. The nation is driven further into debt and the excuse is made that the US Government needs more money. So the personal Income tax begins. Originally it was sold as only being a short term thing. But as many of us should know by now if you give the government and inch you just gave them miles and miles.

In 1948 what I call the "Bar Treaty" and officially known as the International Bar Association as you mentioned was created. Intermingling all of the laws of the countries together.

In 1952 U.C.C. has been completed. The 50 states adopted the "laws" and the people and corporations become one and the same. Only in most cases the corporations have no individual answering for their crimes they commit and generally only face fines but the person who has more or less became a corporate entity being tried under an unconstitutional colorable Admiralty/Military tribunal does.

Courts can now go around the constitution and common law in regards to the people. The various "contracts" a "person" unknowingly enters into during the course of life creates the obligation.

[JMJ]

After you have read my summary above take a little time to read over this

57 Trillion Reasons to Murder 100 Million Americans with Poisonous Vaccinations
http://blueskysunshine.org/blog/?p=2687

Add to his explanation the unconstitutional and obvious acts of treason and fraud on the American people above. And that's just 50 years of it.

For those that aren't American's. Most of you can just change the names and dates for your country and you'll find you're in the same boat.

[jberryhill]

Idiot Legal Arguments: A Casebook for Dealing with Extremist Legal Arguments

By Bernard J. Sussman, JD, MLS, CP

http://www.adl.org/mwd/suss1.asp

[biggedon]

i'm willing to bet that the people who spread all the misleading bs news articles and the "spinning" of obama care, are all sitting back laughing their asses off.

[Seraphim]

i'm willing to bet that the people who spread all the misleading bs news articles and the "spinning" of obama care, are all sitting back laughing their asses off.

Who isn't laughing their asses off at this point? Obama sold an SL65 AMG during his campaign, but is now attempting to deliver a Ford Pinto with a blown out muffler. Spin... fraud... it's been the status quo for so long that most have forgotten the difference...

[fab]

Nevermind it's still there I clicked fab's copied link.

Good to know, I've been useful!

[JMJ]

Idiot Legal Arguments: A Casebook for Dealing with Extremist Legal Arguments

By Bernard J. Sussman, JD, MLS, CP

http://www.adl.org/mwd/suss1.asp

John everything I posted above is historical record. Are you denying history existed? I see you linked to adl's site. I'm sure they would love to hear that. I wouldn't trust what they have to say period. The biggest bunch of spindoctors and hippocrates on the face of the earth. But I'm sure they've come up with some "law' and I could end up in jail by saying that alone. Why do people in the "legal" realm always point to others "opinions". Can't you make a decision for yourself? Why don't you give me examples of where that historical record is incorrect and the evidence behind YOUR rebuttal.

[Seraphim]

The biggest bunch of spindoctors and hippocrates on the face of the earth.

No kidding... While they slaughter men, women, and children from Gaza to Beirut, they press for harsher hate crime legislation in the United States. Thank God South Africa under apartheid wasn't as clever...

[jberryhill]

Why do people in the "legal" realm always point to others "opinions".

Because when a court issues an opinion, it is the binding interpretation of that law within the jurisdiction of that court.

I understand that you haven't the foggiest notion of how the US legal system works, and I understand you are chock full of whacktard stuff brewed up by crazy people such as the "phantom 13th amendment" etc.

But the International Bar Association doesn't do what you say it does, and the Uniform Commercial Code is simply a statutory codification of basic common law contract principles relating to sales, leases, secured transactions, and commercial paper. It's not some sinister conspiracy.

Here, for $325, you too can sue the President of the United States:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/18692274/M...trict-Court-DC

[500,000]

...

[JMJ]

I understand that you haven't the foggiest notion of how the US legal system works,

That's my current objective.

Because when a court issues an opinion, it is the binding interpretation of that law within the jurisdiction of that court.

Keyword: "opinion". I'm not bound by their interpretation sorry. I have no idea what might have influenced those individuals "opinions." What jurisdiction are most courts in America operating under John? Could it be Admiralty/Military Tribunal via Article I, Section 8 clause 17?

But the International Bar Association doesn't do what you say it does,

They don't conspire with each other integrating the laws of participating countries?

the Uniform Commercial Code is simply a statutory codification of basic common law contract principles relating to sales, leases, secured transactions, and commercial paper.

Hmm. "statutory code".. Isn't that the "law" which the government prosecutes US by? "Secured transactions and commercial paper.." Like a bond? Contracts?

Sounds like my "theory" is pretty precise even in your own words. Some just don't want the dots connected.

[JMJ]

Sorry wrong thread.