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Once again, religious views and interpretations are forced on the general public... Those who make the laws are too afraid of the rich religious groups that have so much power...
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OK, I need to figure out something.
On the Florida ballot is a amendment baning gay marriage and banning giving "anything other than the union of a man and a woman" the same rights as a marriage to "protect marriage".
How theis banning gay marriage protection someone else's marriage? With or without the ban my marriage will be the same. People say that they support it to "protect their marriage". How is it infringing on your marriage?
I guess all these people think that the amount of infedelity, divorces, and children born out of wedlock are OK? They think couples having more children that they can afford is OK? They think people who abuse their spouses is OK?
Honestly, I think if two men or two women want to get married (or have some sort of union for those of you who don't like the term "marriage" for this givng the same rights) they should be allowed to.
Sorry, I just had to vent a little. My wife and I have several homesexual friends who would be directly affected by this law. (At least our friends in NY can get married!).
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Once again, religious views and interpretations are forced on the general public... Those who make the laws are too afraid of the rich religious groups that have so much power...
It is the word they have objection to.
there are lot of people who are OK with gay's getting together and making it like a union.
For gays they don't want the term marriage.
They want gay/lesb to use a different term (basically choose a different word for that union)
When it comes to spouse abuse (it there in the gay/lesb union also)
-- For a long time -- that will show up more and more)
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draggar: people have come far off from the belief marriage is between man and woman and I think it is a good move for gay/leb people to choose a different word and move on.
instead of calling it a marriage!
I am not sure what is the problem if they adapt a different word?
After the first few days people will get used to it.
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Is marriage a religious trademark?
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Its pretty scary that they are giving people the ability to take rights away from another group of people.
Originally Posted by DomainsInc
That's religion for ya!
agreed, if the biggest problem in the world today was that a dude wanted to marry a dude or a chick wanted to marry a chick then we would be living in a utopia...
People get so hung up on these things it really makes me shake my head... Maybe the Government should try to ban poverty...
I have no problem with that. "Civil Union" etc.. but the provision on the Florida ballot would prohibit any kind of union the same benefits (health insurance, tax, etc..).
Here is the exact wording:
Source: http://www.browardsoe.org/ and click on proposed consitiutional amendments (it is the second one).Ballot Summary:
This amendment protects marriage as the legal union of only one man and one woman as husband and wife and provides that no other legal union that is treated as marriage or the substantial equivalent thereof shall be valid or recognized.
Exactly - I thought the US was a forward thinking nation. :(
I agree with this, too. In the OP I mentioned several issues that are more of a threat to marriages than same-sex marriages.
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Marriage is between a man and a woman. It been that way a long time and should stay that way forever.
Why? Its been proven time and time again there comes a time for change. Just because something has been that way "for a long time" doesn't mean its a good thing. Religion accepting the gay lifestyle is another issue unto itself but just because a couple is of the same sex shouldn't mean they are deserving of the other aspects of marriage.
The only reason they put these things on the ballot is to attract conservative voters. It's the oldest trick in the book.
Marriage should be a sacred institution between only a Woman and a Man.
The States that legalized Gay Marriage should of never given Gay couples that right in the first place... Here in California, the measure is proposition 8;
Proposition 8: The California Marriage Protection Amendment
Proposition 8 places into the California Constitution the same language that voters already passed by 61% of the vote in 2000. This is necessary to overturn an outrageous California Supreme Court decision that overturned Proposition 22.
About Proposition 8
Proposition 8 is simple and straightforward. It contains the same 14 words that were previously approved in 2000 by over 61% of California voters: “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.”
Because four activist judges in San Francisco wrongly overturned the people’s vote, we need to pass this measure as a constitutional amendment to restore the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman.
Voting YES on Proposition 8 does 3 simple things:
It restores the definition of marriage to what the vast majority of California voters already approved and what Californians agree should be supported, not undermined.
It overturns the outrageous decision of four activist Supreme Court judges who ignored the will of the people.
It protects our children from being taught in public schools that “same-sex marriage” is the same as traditional marriage, and prevents other consequences to Californians who will be forced to not just be tolerant of gay lifestyles, but face mandatory compliance regardless of their personal beliefs.
http://protectmarriage.com/about
I'm voting "YES"
Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
Where do you stop? or where do you draw the line? Eventually this law will expand to other objects. Maybe not now, but eventually. The same arguments for gay marriage will soon expand and be applied to a brother and a sister, father and a daughter, boy and a pet dog, hillbilly and a sheep, cowboy and a horse... it could go on and on, tijuana whore and a Donkey!!
We dont have to make gay marriage legal to give homosexuals acceptance.
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this is what everyone says but no one can say why.Marriage should be a sacred institution between only a Woman and a Man.
http://protectmarriage.com/about
I'm voting "YES"
Geez man, equating gays to incest and beastiality. I guess you don't have any gay friends. They are people. Being gay isn't illegal. Incest and beastiality is. I don't know how you can make the comparison.
Last edited by DomainsInc; 10-30-2008 at 08:33 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
Your right, Once you cross that bridge, Pandoras box opens.
And you left out Polygamy... What about the rights of Bi-Sexuals? Do they have a right to Marry both a Woman and a Man?
Please vote Republican in 2012, America can not sustain another 4 years
of Liberal policies that are fiscally and socially destroying the country..
"I am not bashing you, just my point of view"
The fact that people have to ask why marriage is between a man and women is shameful.
It is very obvious, why?.. first off by looking into your droors (pants), what do you see? "Penis"
If raider were to look in her drawers (skirt) she would see a "KiKi"
Who ever or what ever you call or see as our creator (Humanity) clearly meant for the "Penis" to go into the "KiKi"
Much like a plug is plugged into a electric socket.
When the "Penis" enter's the "KiKi" a funny thing happens, it creates a "baby"
Through the generations of insight and ingenuity, humanity has devised ways to circumvent natural laws of our creator with science.
Just because we have the power and the knowledge to circumvent natural law doesn't mean we absolutely have to do it? At some point Pandora's Box will be opened if we continue to push the envelope of natural law of man.
That is the common sense answer.
One problem I have with the Gay marriage fight is not the fact of legalizing gay marriage, but the fact that the Gays will use this to exploit freedom of speech to force this knowledge "Jack & John" or "Jane & Marry" onto my children who will be of school age in the next 2 - 4 years.
I will have lost the rights and freedoms to what information my birth children are exposed to.
Recently Freedoms were exploited when a gay teacher in SF took her whole class on a field trip to watch here marriage to a gay women. With out parent consent.
When has a school ever taken kids off school grounds with out parent written consent, for fear of accident and insurance problems or law suite due to injury.
The more we push the envelope of natural law, we give our future generations the credence, tools, and argument to push that envelope even further.
Strength is in unity, and the more segmented we become in the united sates the weaker we become as a nation.
Exploitation of natural law and our constitutional rights must come to an end for us to survive as a nation, if not for us, but for the generations after us.
It is funny you say that. In the last 15 years I have had many gay friends close and not so close and I am 32 years of age.
Some of the best clubs in San Diego California are gay clubs in a dominantly gay town of "HillCrest" which I did frequent when I was single because it attracted many straight women.
I went to these clubs with my gay and lesbian friends from the cosmetics department when I used to be a manager at Macy's.
I do have gay friends to this day, and even they are split about this subject and understand the implication of our future generations.
Last edited by tldrental; 10-30-2008 at 09:02 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost
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Wow... you people are amazingly socially regressive, and I am appalled to think that I come from the same genus.
Shall we then go back to putting women in their rightful place, which is the kitchen? I mean, that's what they were made for according to your invisible pink unicorn / flying spaghetti monster / god.
Let's go back to it being cool to kill people if they're not part of your little clique too. I mean, that's how it's been for a long time.
Lets all band together, and make sure that everyone is exactly the same as each other... but not actually equal. That's too much like communism.
Harvey, I respect your forethought in your response.
I am just wondering where you draw the line, as you point out we continue to evolve. So once this becomes legal, which it most likely will.
Some one will use this as leverage to take it to another level as history proves.
In less then 100 years women went from no rights to running for president, and the same could be said for blacks. Which will likely be the color of our next president.
So where do you draw the line? At what point will you vote no?
Sister and brother, father daughter, legalized group marriages (2 men and women, or vice versa or more) Animals, objects like a table?
Just because we have the ability to create a dooms day weapon, does that mean we should as well?
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